Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread John Hearns via Beowulf
Seriously? Wha.. what? Someone needs to get help. And it wasn't me. I am a member of the People's Front of Julia. (contrived Python reference intentional) On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 22:57, Jeffrey Layton wrote: > I wrote some OpenACC articles for HPC Admin Magazine. A number of > pro-OpenMP people a

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Jeffrey Layton
I wrote some OpenACC articles for HPC Admin Magazine. A number of pro-OpenMP people attacked me on twitter (you know, OpenACC sucks, OpenMP is great). I received a private email threatening to kill me and my family if I didn't stop writing about OpenACC. Given your pro-OpenMP, anti-OpenACC stance,

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Richard Walsh
Huh ... ?? Weird, scary ... Just MHO. Dropping off this thread now ... rbw Sent from my iPhone > On May 8, 2019, at 4:29 PM, Jeffrey Layton wrote: > > I was just pointing out that gcc has Open ACC capability on AMD GPUs. > > I didn't realize you part of the OpenMP Nazis. Were you the one

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Jeffrey Layton
I was just pointing out that gcc has Open ACC capability on AMD GPUs. I didn't realize you part of the OpenMP Nazis. Were you the one that threatened me and my family because I wrote about OpenACC? On Wed, May 8, 2019, 15:48 Richard Walsh wrote: > > Jeffry/All, > > Yes ... but given the choic

[Beowulf] Dell rack rails - standardization?

2019-05-08 Thread David Mathog
Hi all, I have a small pile of Dell sliding rack rails from departed servers (and no current Dell rack mounted equipment). Each rail has 3 slots into which pegs on the side of the server drop. There are two types of slot spacings. The back two slots are in the same in all rails, but the fr

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf
On 5/8/19 3:55 PM, Ryan Novosielski wrote: On May 8, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Michael Di Domenico wrote: On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:14 PM Gus Correa wrote: Once upon a time portability, interoperabiilty, standardization, were considered good software and hardware attributes. Whatever happened to the

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Carlos Bederián
Is NVIDIA really the only one to blame? Intel was very reluctant to support open SPMD languages (even their own ISPC), which would have delivered better performance across the whole ecosystem, to deny GPUs a foothold. On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Ryan Novosielski wrote: > > On May 8, 2019, at

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Ryan Novosielski
> On May 8, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Michael Di Domenico > wrote: > > On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:14 PM Gus Correa wrote: >> >> Once upon a time portability, interoperabiilty, standardization, were >> considered good software and hardware attributes. >> Whatever happened to them? > > millennials? Tha

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Richard Walsh
Jeffry/All, Yes ... but given the choice of using OpenACC or OpenMP (if you are not going to write CUDA-HIP code for that extra 10% of performance) which captures most (all?) of the features of OpenACC, is a standard likely to outlive OpenACC, and should run on any vendor’s accelerators, incl

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Jeffrey Layton
Don't forget that gcc supports both NV and AMD GPUs with OpenACC. That's one of the lead compilers listed on the Frontier specs. Jeff On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:29 PM Richard Walsh wrote: > > All, > > Cray has deprecated support for in OpenACC in light of the OpenMP 4.5 and > 5.0 standards, and

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Richard Walsh
All, Cray has deprecated support for in OpenACC in light of the OpenMP 4.5 and 5.0 standards, and their target and data directives. NVIDIA’s PGI Compiler group will keep OpenACC going for a while, but on AMD devices ... maybe not. That Cray will support only OpenMP on Frontier seems to be a l

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Christopher Samuel
On 5/8/19 10:47 AM, Jörg Saßmannshausen wrote: As I follow these things rather loosely, my understanding was that OpenACC should run on both nVidia and other GPUs. So maybe that is the reason why it is a 'pure' AMD cluster where both GPUs and CPUs are from the same supplier? IF all of that is wo

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf
On 5/8/19 2:42 PM, Michael Di Domenico wrote: On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:14 PM Gus Correa wrote: Once upon a time portability, interoperabiilty, standardization, were considered good software and hardware attributes. Whatever happened to them? millennials? They seem to ruin everything, don't

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf
On 5/8/19 2:13 PM, Gus Correa wrote: On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:47 PM Jörg Saßmannshausen mailto:sassy-w...@sassy.formativ.net>> wrote: Dear all, I think the answer to the question lies here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenACC As I follow these things rather loosely, my

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread John Hearns via Beowulf
I disagree. IT is a cyclical industry. Back in the bad old days codes were written to run on IBM mainframes. Which used the ECDIC character set. There were Little Endian and Big Endian machines. VAX machines had a rich set of file IO patterns. I really dont think you could read data written on an I

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Michael Di Domenico
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:14 PM Gus Correa wrote: > > Once upon a time portability, interoperabiilty, standardization, were > considered good software and hardware attributes. > Whatever happened to them? millennials? ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@b

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Gus Correa
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:47 PM Jörg Saßmannshausen < sassy-w...@sassy.formativ.net> wrote: > Dear all, > > I think the answer to the question lies here: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenACC > > As I follow these things rather loosely, my understanding was that OpenACC > should run on both nVi

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Jörg Saßmannshausen
Dear all, I think the answer to the question lies here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenACC As I follow these things rather loosely, my understanding was that OpenACC should run on both nVidia and other GPUs. So maybe that is the reason why it is a 'pure' AMD cluster where both GPUs and CPUs

Re: [Beowulf] [EXTERNAL] Re: Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Richard Walsh
All, I think the comparison with RoadRunner is off. Any application that already has a CUDA version can be largely converted to run on AMD GPUs with a perl script with some minor adjustments. Those without GPU implementations will have to be converted (many are already having this done under E

Re: [Beowulf] [EXTERNAL] Re: Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf
On 5/7/19 6:14 PM, Lux, Jim (337K) wrote: On 5/7/19, 2:00 PM, "Beowulf on behalf of Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf" wrote: > I think it is interesting that they are using AMD for > both the CPUs and GPUs I agree. That means a LOT of codes will have to be ported from CUDA

Re: [Beowulf] Frontier Announcement

2019-05-08 Thread miroslav . shaltev
On Wed, 8 May 2019 06:54:38 +1000 Lance Wilson via Beowulf wrote: Hi @ all, > The other community that will struggle is AI/ML as they are pushing > very hard into the CUDA space. yes, however https://rocm.github.io/tensorflow.html There are some benchmarks out there which look very promising.