Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-11 Thread Auguste Pop
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Piyush P Kurur wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 05:57:02PM +0800, Auguste Pop wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: >> > >> by gmail, do you mean the gmail web interface or the gmail mail >> service? > > The threading is done by the mail clie

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-11 Thread Ionuț Bîru
On 04/11/2011 01:38 PM, Jan de Groot wrote: On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 21:50 +0200, Dennis Beekman wrote: 1. You cannot change the panels anymore you stuck with the 2 given by gnome 3. 2. Changing themes also is inpossible.. or so it seems. 3. Why do we need a system settings menu with all the option

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-11 Thread Jan de Groot
On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 21:50 +0200, Dennis Beekman wrote: > 1. You cannot change the panels anymore you stuck with the 2 given by > gnome 3. > 2. Changing themes also is inpossible.. or so it seems. > 3. Why do we need a system settings menu with all the options in one > menu ? where are my sepera

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-11 Thread Piyush P Kurur
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 05:57:02PM +0800, Auguste Pop wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > > by gmail, do you mean the gmail web interface or the gmail mail > service? The threading is done by the mail client and has nothing to do with the mail protocol SMTP/IMAP etc.

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-11 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Auguste Pop wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 4:49 PM, SanskritFritz >> wrote: >>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: >>> 2. Next time, please create a new mail, instead of replying

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-11 Thread Auguste Pop
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 4:49 PM, SanskritFritz > wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: >> >>> 2. Next time, please create a new mail, instead of replying to an existing >>> thread and changing the topic >>> >> >> W

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-11 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 4:49 PM, SanskritFritz wrote: > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: > >> 2. Next time, please create a new mail, instead of replying to an existing >> thread and changing the topic >> > > What's wrong with that? > Changing the topic has no effect on th

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-11 Thread SanskritFritz
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: > 2. Next time, please create a new mail, instead of replying to an existing > thread and changing the topic > What's wrong with that?

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread DrCR
Dennis, If you like Gnome2 that much, fix your self up with a nix install with Gnome2 and just don't update for the next few years. No, I'm not kidding. No one is forcing you to upgrade. Complaining about WMs amazes me as they're so may you can choose from. There's so many distros to choose from f

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Kyle
According to Baho Utot: # Hey wait I didn't get any sticker when I installed it. # # I want my money back! I don't need my money back. It hasn't broken my system or mamed any puppies yet, so a refund is not necessary. Just give me the sticker and we'll call it even. :) ~Kyle

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Yaro Kasear
On Sunday, April 10, 2011 13:13:42 Jelle van der Waa wrote: > On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 19:40 +0300, Alper Kanat wrote: > > s/failback/fallback/g > > > > sorry for the typo.. > > > > --- > > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? > > > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 19:39, Alper Kanat wrote: > > > Hello Fellow

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Yaro Kasear
On Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:42:57 Arthur Titeica wrote: > On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 21:50:41 +0200, Dennis Beekman wrote: > > [flaming] > > I though KDE 4 was bad and bloated and that i couldn't get any > > worse... > > it seems i was wrong. > > Boy this new Gnome version is even more bloated and buggy

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Peter Lewis
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > While with GNOME it's the case that GNOME2 is dead , SO LONG LIVE > GNOME3!! > > *jelly drinks beer with his gnome friends Seriously, if someone does fork gnome2, they should so call it troll. Pete.

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Divan Santana
First up, sorry for going off topic a bit. On Sunday 10 April 2011 19:42:57 Arthur Titeica wrote: > Add this to the fact that the kernel isn't exactly desktop optimized > (stuff like let me move the mouse while I extract that damn 4G archive) > and you'll probably get what feels like a slow s

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 19:40 +0300, Alper Kanat wrote: > s/failback/fallback/g > > sorry for the typo.. > > --- > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? > > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 19:39, Alper Kanat wrote: > > > Hello Fellow Archers, > > > > Most people say that Arch is cutting edge and saving GNO

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Arthur Titeica
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 21:50:41 +0200, Dennis Beekman wrote: [flaming] I though KDE 4 was bad and bloated and that i couldn't get any worse... it seems i was wrong. Boy this new Gnome version is even more bloated and buggy then KDE 4 wich is quite the atchievement from the gnome team... Pleas

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Baho Utot
On Sunday 10 April 2011 10:09:25 am Oon-Ee Ng wrote: [putolin] > No, because that's not how Arch works. Gnome3 is not broken, nor will > it break anyone's computer. Arch is bleeding-edge, it said so on the > sticker when you installed it =) Hey wait I didn't get any sticker when I installed it

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread F. Gr.
2011-04-10 21:50 +0200, Dennis Beekman: > I use linux becuase i think that windows is just to bloated to even > be considered ... but lately Linux has been going in the same > direction when it comes to the desktop enviroments Gnome 3 & KDE 4. I read about various comparisons between Linux vs. Wi

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Yaro Kasear
On Sunday, April 10, 2011 15:07:27 Dennis Beekman wrote: > On 04/10/2011 03:50 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > > On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 21:50 +0200, Dennis Beekman wrote: > >> I use linux becuase i think that windows is just to bloated to even be > >> considered ... but lately Linux has been going in

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Yaro Kasear
It is against the Arch way when it's not even going to be actively maintained upstream for much longer. GNOME 2's got maybe 6-8 months at most before it's support is gone upstream, and Arch isn't there to act as a "historical archive" of old desktop environments. Especially in the likely event G

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Yaro Kasear
On Sunday, April 10, 2011 14:50:41 Dennis Beekman wrote: > I use linux becuase i think that windows is just to bloated to even be > considered ... but lately Linux has been going in the same direction > when it comes to the desktop enviroments Gnome 3 & KDE 4. > This is all a matter of opinion. I

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Alper Kanat
s/failback/fallback/g sorry for the typo.. --- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 19:39, Alper Kanat wrote: > Hello Fellow Archers, > > Most people say that Arch is cutting edge and saving GNOME2 as gnome2 is > not the the Arch way. I know that packaging and maintaining GN

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Alper Kanat
Hello Fellow Archers, Most people say that Arch is cutting edge and saving GNOME2 as gnome2 is not the the Arch way. I know that packaging and maintaining GNOME2 is a hard task that no devs would want to take care of and that we'll most likely be seeing unofficial repositories but what about pytho

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Auguste Pop
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Ionuț Bîru wrote: > On 04/10/2011 07:04 PM, Auguste Pop wrote: >> >> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Oon-Ee Ng  wrote: >>> >>> Or you could just save yourself the hassle and just switch over to >>> XFCE, awesomewm, the possibilities are endless. More productive t

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Ionuț Bîru
On 04/10/2011 07:04 PM, Auguste Pop wrote: On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: Or you could just save yourself the hassle and just switch over to XFCE, awesomewm, the possibilities are endless. More productive than pining over a DE that's now officially dead (dying). xfce depen

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Auguste Pop
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > Or you could just save yourself the hassle and just switch over to > XFCE, awesomewm, the possibilities are endless. More productive than > pining over a DE that's now officially dead (dying). > xfce depends on gtk2. when gnome3 hits the repo, i

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Martin
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:50:41 -0300, Dennis Beekman wrote: Linux is about freedom. You have tons of WM and DE to choose from, I suggest to give a try to Xfce and LXDE. Both work almost the same as Gnome 2 without the bloat. Anyway, whining in Arch's discussion mail because of a DE decisio

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread D. Can Celasun
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Dennis Beekman < d.c.beekman.de...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 04/10/2011 03:50 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > >> On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 21:50 +0200, Dennis Beekman wrote: >> >>> I use linux becuase i think that windows is just to bloated to even be >>> considered ... b

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 22:07 +0200, Dennis Beekman wrote: > On 04/10/2011 03:50 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > > On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 21:50 +0200, Dennis Beekman wrote: > >> I use linux becuase i think that windows is just to bloated to even be > >> considered ... but lately Linux has been going i

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Dennis Beekman wrote: > We are being forced to use de's like openbox or xfce wich is the primary > reason people shy away from unix/linux when changing from Windows to another > OS. > It just becomes to confusing and complicated from they point of view and > they c

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Dennis Beekman
On 04/10/2011 03:50 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 21:50 +0200, Dennis Beekman wrote: I use linux becuase i think that windows is just to bloated to even be considered ... but lately Linux has been going in the same direction when it comes to the desktop enviroments Gnome 3&

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Ionuț Bîru
On 04/10/2011 10:50 PM, Dennis Beekman wrote: Can we not just keeps using the old version and ignore the new version of gnome for now until they get they act together ? or hopefully decide to go back to the old interface and develop that further instead ... i give it you the option to create a

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Matthew Gyurgyik
On 04/10/2011 03:50 PM, Dennis Beekman wrote: I use linux becuase i think that windows is just to bloated to even be considered ... but lately Linux has been going in the same direction when it comes to the desktop enviroments Gnome 3 & KDE 4. Gnome 2 was brilliant just a simple easy to use sy

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 3:50 AM, Dennis Beekman wrote: > I use linux becuase i think that windows is just to bloated to even be > considered ... but lately Linux has been going in the same direction when it > comes to the desktop enviroments Gnome 3 & KDE 4. > > Gnome 2 was brilliant just a simple

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 21:50 +0200, Dennis Beekman wrote: > I use linux becuase i think that windows is just to bloated to even be > considered ... but lately Linux has been going in the same direction > when it comes to the desktop enviroments Gnome 3 & KDE 4. > > Gnome 2 was brilliant just a s

[arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.

2011-04-10 Thread Dennis Beekman
I use linux becuase i think that windows is just to bloated to even be considered ... but lately Linux has been going in the same direction when it comes to the desktop enviroments Gnome 3 & KDE 4. Gnome 2 was brilliant just a simple easy to use system with load off good looking features, gnom