Re: [Pan-users] Re: clearing headers?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Metzler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: clearing headers? Yes I use Windows Mail that comes as part of Vista. I have no need for anything fancy. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Increasing connections to server decreases overallspeed
- Original Message - From: "SciFi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 16:11 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Increasing connections to server decreases overallspeed > > Hi, > > It might help to adjust sysctl(8) parms, particularly the sendspace > and recvspace values. This might require raising the kernel’s > maxsockbuf value, too, which probably can only be done during early > boot single–user phase (c.f. /etc/sysctl.conf). At least that’s what > I do on MacOSX and other *BSD type systems. But please research this > before messing with these tweaks, and be aware that there are as many > suggestions as there are belly–buttons in this world. ;) Would adjusting the RWIN have any effect? -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Increasing connections to serverdecreases overallspeed
- Original Message - From: "SciFi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 18:55 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Increasing connections to serverdecreases overallspeed > On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:24:18 -0700, Travis wrote: >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "SciFi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: >> Sent: Sunday, >> October 05, 2008 16:11 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Increasing >> connections to server decreases overallspeed >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It might help to adjust sysctl(8) parms, particularly the sendspace and >>> recvspace values. This might require raising the kernel’s maxsockbuf >>> value, too, which probably can only be done during early boot >>> single–user phase (c.f. /etc/sysctl.conf). At least that’s what I do >>> on MacOSX and other *BSD type systems. But please research this before >>> messing with these tweaks, and be aware that there are as many >>> suggestions as there are belly–buttons in this world. ;) >> >> Would adjusting the RWIN have any effect? > > IIUC RWIN is a similar setting for m$ systems. > Which further reminds me:- > DSLreports has a number of tests here: > http://www.dslreports.com/tools > In particular: > http://www.dslreports.com/tweaks > which might help you (anyone) further. > Please do read their texts, tho, before actually doing anything. I was just curious. Vista automagically adjusts those things. I have an XP laptop (Eee PC 1000H) and used BBR to test and adjust it. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Posting problem
- Original Message - From: "George Czerw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: [Pan-users] Posting problem >I am using Pan 0.133 on Mandriva 2009.0 > > I recently had to change Usenet providers because Comcast stopped providing > Giganews service in late October. So I established an account with > motzarella. > > I did not delete the groups that I had been subscribed to, but merely > refreshed them after initially logging onto motzarella. > > Now, when I attempt to post to a group, I most frequently get the following > error: > > 441 No valid newsgroups in "alt.os.linux.mandriva" (or whatever other group I > want to post to). > > I have to save my post as a draft, close Pan and then reopen it, after which > I > can open my saved draft and post it. I have to note that I never had this > problem before switching Usenet services. > > Does anyone know why this is occurring and what I have to do to eliminate the > problem? I don't know the answer but Duncan probably does, and he will ask you to stop the HTML. Thank you. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Purging headers
- Original Message - From: "Joe Zeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 16:04 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Purging headers > On 12/06/2008 Duncan wrote: >> So Mr. Zeff... Does that work? > > Just fine, thankyouverymuch. I'd like to request, btw, that any more > comments about that be taken off-list, because there's no reason to > bother everybody else with it. I've been enjoying the distraction. Nothing wrong with a good cat fight. Isn't this the sort of thing the teens and twenty something's of today shoot each other over. -- Travis a 65 y/o in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
[Pan-users] compile ?
I want to compile Pan 0.133 from source on my netbook. I have Ubuntu dual boot with XP. I have just done "apt-get install build-essential" that I read about on http://www.linux.com/feature/54945 paragraph 9. The rest of the directions I don't get. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ?
- Original Message - From: "Duncan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 04:56 AM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: compile ? > "Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted > [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sun, 07 > Dec 2008 00:36:23 -0800: > >> I want to compile Pan 0.133 from source on my netbook. I have Ubuntu >> dual boot with XP. I have just done "apt-get install build-essential" >> that I read about on http://www.linux.com/feature/54945 paragraph 9. >> The rest of the directions I don't get. Any help will be appreciated. > > Hopefully someone with direct Ubuntu knowledge will step in to fill in > what I miss as I don't run Ubuntu, but Gentoo. However... > > Having read the linked instructions, it looks like you should now do this > (with sudo if appropriate): > > apt-get build-dep pan > > Since both Ubuntu 2008.x versions come with pan 0.132, and the deps > between it and 0.133 aren't different except that 0.133 allows never > versions of various dependencies, according to the link, that should > install the various dev-packages (build-deps), containing headers and etc > that compiling pan from source requires but that aren't included in the > normal binary packages because they aren't required for running pre-built > binaries. > > If you don't already have it, you also want to install checkinstall: > > apt-get install checkinstall > > Once you've done that without error, you should have what's necessary to > build and install pan. Now, you need the pan sources tarball itself. > Download it from pan.rebelbase.com and untar it (this part can be as a > normal user) to some working directory. Can I download it to the desktop? Would that be pan-0.133.tar.bz2 or pan-0.133.tar.gz? How do I untar it? > The below assumes you are running the various commands from the pan > sources dir you just untarred, so cd into it now. If by "running the various commands" you mean things like "apt-get" from a terminal , that is what I have been doing. What is "cd into it"? > The configure script sets up the build for your system, detecting all > sorts of stuff like which compiler to use (gcc), where utilities like sed > are located, what command line options various things need, that sort of > stuff. > > Another bit of configuration that the configure script handles is various > compile time options. You can run (normally these work run as a normal > user)... > > ./configure --help > > ... to get a list. Most things will be auto-detected so you don't need > to worry about them, but the spelling option is of particular interest > and I believe you have to specifically enable it or it's disabled. For > your first try, I'd say turn on spelling only if the default Ubuntu > version has it, because otherwise you'll have to download additional > dependencies. Better to just do it like Ubuntu does for now and worry > about spelling later if it doesn't enable it and you want it. > > Once you've figured out your configure command line, you'll run it as > simply > > ./configure > > to use the defaults, or (as appropriate) > > ./configure --with-whatever --without-whichever > > > Once the configure script has finished without error, it's time to do the > actual compile. This will take some time, particularly on a limited > resource netbook, so you can set it running and go eat lunch or watch a > TV program or whatever. Figure half an hour, possibly more. (I've no > idea how long it'll take on that, maybe even two hours, if it's still > spitting out updates every couple minutes or so, just let it keep > going.) As with configure, make should normally be runnable as a user, > tho there may be occasional access errors but if so it's really a bug > either with pan or with Ubuntu. This command is simple: > > make > > After that completes, assuming success, most people would run make > install. However, the Ubuntu way seems to be checkinstall, which will > make a normal .deb package out of it and install that. That's the better > way, since the package manager then knows about it and can handle > uninstall and etc. This would again need run as root, with sudo, etc. > according to the link (and it makes sense since you're installing to dirs > that aren't normally user writable), but other than that, I don't know > anything about it since it's Debian/Ubuntu specific. > > checkinstall > > Hope it helps! =:^) Those are all the questions I have so far. I'm sure I
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ?
- Original Message - From: "David Shochat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ? > Travis wrote: >> Can I download it to the desktop? > Yes, you can download it wherever you like (that you have write access to). How do I know if I have "write access"? Thank you -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile?
I know I have a lot to learn and you have been most kind to try and help me out. Over the next few days/weeks I will try and digest what you have written and apply it to my first compile from source. Thank you, Joe, David, Kurt & Duncan. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile?
- Original Message - From: "Kurt Schilling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 13:19 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile? > Travis wrote: >> I know I have a lot to learn and you have been most kind to try and help me >> out. >> Over the next few days/weeks I will try and digest what you have written and >> apply it to my first compile from source. >> >> Thank you, Joe, David, Kurt & Duncan. > > Let us know how things go. As I recall, on a PIII-866 box with 512megs > of RAM, it took between 20 and 30 minutes to compile Pan 0.0133. If you > have a more modern machine, the compile time will most likely be shorter. The processor is an Intel Atom 1.6GHz. I will post my success or more questions. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile?
- Original Message - From: "Duncan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 15:52 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: compile? > "Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted > [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sun, 07 > Dec 2008 13:42:07 -0800: > >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kurt Schilling" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: >> Sent: Sunday, >> December 07, 2008 13:19 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile? >> >> >>> Travis wrote: >>>> I know I have a lot to learn and you have been most kind to try and >>>> help me out. Over the next few days/weeks I will try and digest what >>>> you have written and apply it to my first compile from source. >>>> >>>> Thank you, Joe, David, Kurt & Duncan. >>> >>> Let us know how things go. As I recall, on a PIII-866 box with 512megs >>> of RAM, it took between 20 and 30 minutes to compile Pan 0.0133. If you >>> have a more modern machine, the compile time will most likely be >>> shorter. >> >> The processor is an Intel Atom 1.6GHz. I will post my success or more >> questions. > > I have a similar netbook here but haven't really done "anything" with it > yet. But for compiling, memory size and disk access times can be as > important as CPU speed, and while that PIII-8xx was more or less > comparable speed (slower but more powerful in some ways) and the 512 MB > memory should be comparable, the disk is going to be different, > especially if it's an SSD with its very long write times but decent read > and zero seek times. Since compiling writes a lot of temp files the > write times could be critical. But as I said I've really not done much > with mine yet so can't say what the real numbers are. I'll be putting > Gentoo on it eventually, but will be compiling on my main machine, which > does pan in maybe five minutes (short enough it's not bothersome enough > to have worried about it), so the slower netbook compiling won't bother > me. In Windows I can over clock to 2.008 GHz. It has 2GB RAM and a 160 GB 5400 rpm HDD. It came with a 80 GB HDD. I installed the Asus Xandros on the original HDD just because I could. I installed Ubuntu via Wubi on my netbook, current desktop and my old desktop. I had one of the original 700 series Eee PC's (702 8 GB SSD) but sold it when I got my new Eee PC. Computers to me are just entertaining toys. Never used one in a work situation. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Problems with some replies
- Original Message - From: "HarryB" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:50 AM Subject: [Pan-users] Problems with some replies > New Pan (v0.132) user, running under Debian 4.0 and KDE 3.5.10. > > I have been able to post a new message to the newsgroup rec.bicycles.tech and > one or two replies, but additional replies fail because the server rejects > them and returns the following error: "441 Posting Failed (Rejected by POST > filter)" . > > I tried the same in 0.test and the results were the same: I could post at > least one reply to my initial message, but subsequent replies failed. > > So, I booted into Windows and fired up Free Agent, my old newsreader. I was > able to reply without a problem. So, it appears that the problem is with Pan > and not my news server, bellsouth.net. > > What doesn't my news server like about Pan's replies? Try the Windows version of Pan. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Problems with some replies
- Original Message - From: "HarryB" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 15:08 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Problems with some replies > On Thursday 11 December 2008 3:01:34 pm Jim Henderson wrote: >> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:50:40 -0600, HarryB wrote: >> > New Pan (v0.132) user, running under Debian 4.0 and KDE 3.5.10. >> > >> > I have been able to post a new message to the newsgroup >> > rec.bicycles.tech and one or two replies, but additional replies fail >> > because the server rejects them and returns the following error: "441 >> > Posting Failed (Rejected by POST filter)" . >> > >> > I tried the same in 0.test and the results were the same: I could post >> > at least one reply to my initial message, but subsequent replies failed. >> > >> > So, I booted into Windows and fired up Free Agent, my old newsreader. I >> > was able to reply without a problem. So, it appears that the problem is >> > with Pan and not my news server, bellsouth.net. >> > >> > What doesn't my news server like about Pan's replies? >> > >> > TIA, >> > Harry >> >> You'll probably have to ask the provider. Most NNTP servers can apply a >> script against headers and message contents and reject based on content - >> only the provider can tell you why your post was rejected since they >> maintain the filter. >> >> Jim > > Hello Jim, > > What makes me think it is a problem with Pan is that after being unable to > post the reply, I booted into Windows, fired up Free Agent and downloaded the > same thread. I then replied to the same message using the same words I had > originally typed into Pan. > > In fact, in order to make sure I used the exact same words, I made a copy of > the post and pasted it into my email client in Linux and emailed it to > myself. After booting into Windows I downloaded the email message and pasted > the exact words I had typed in Pan into my reply from Free Agent. > > So, in my non-technical mind, there was absolutely no difference that my > provider saw in the body of the message. The only difference that I can see > is that one was sent from Pan while the other from Free Agent. Again, the > bodies of the messages were almost identical, if not, identical. > > To see if I could replicate the problem I posted a test message to 0.test and > then replied to it, and then replied to the reply, just like one normally > sees in a Usenet thread. After the third reply I got a warning (from Pan, I > assume, since it was almost instantaneous) which read, "There were problems > with this post. Warning: The message is mostly quoted text." I deleted the > quoted text and attempted to send the reply again. Once again I received > the "441 Posting Failed" message. > > So, I again booted into Windows and downloaded the thread I had started in > 0.test and tried to reply to it from Free Agent. No problems. In fact, I > replied to a number of the replies without any trouble. Then I booted back > into Linux and started Pan. Once again, I was unable to reply to the same > messages that Free Agent was able to reply to. > > To summarize, there are messages to which I can reply from Free Agent which I > can't reply to from Pan. I just don't understand why that would be my ISP's > fault. > > Cheers, > Harry I rarely delete text when Pan says there is too much quoted text. I click the "Post Anyway" button and away it goes. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Problems with some replies
- Original Message - From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 15:09 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Problems with some replies > Jim Henderson posted > ghrv3e$rk...@ger.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:01:34 > +: > >> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:50:40 -0600, HarryB wrote: >> >>> New Pan (v0.132) user, running under Debian 4.0 and KDE 3.5.10. >>> >>> I have been able to post a new message to the newsgroup >>> rec.bicycles.tech and one or two replies, but additional replies fail >>> because the server rejects them and returns the following error: "441 >>> Posting Failed (Rejected by POST filter)" . >>> >>> I tried the same in 0.test and the results were the same: I could post >>> at least one reply to my initial message, but subsequent replies >>> failed. >>> >>> So, I booted into Windows and fired up Free Agent, my old newsreader. I >>> was able to reply without a problem. So, it appears that the problem is >>> with Pan and not my news server, bellsouth.net. >>> >>> What doesn't my news server like about Pan's replies? >> >> You'll probably have to ask the provider. Most NNTP servers can apply a >> script against headers and message contents and reject based on content >> - only the provider can tell you why your post was rejected since they >> maintain the filter. > > Seconded. > > That's a filter on the server side, not pan, tho it's plausible the > filter is triggering on a header pan uses that Free Agent doesn't. > > One header difference between pan and what I know of Agent is the way > they create their own Message-ID. Free Agent (well, at least Forte Agent > and I'd assume Free Agent a swell) generates a random number and adds > @4ax.com. Pan in its current implementation starts with pan. , adds the > date and time (numeric .mm.dd.hh.mm.ss), and finally adds the > @domain.name portion of the from email address you used to post the > message, so the total string format looks like this: > pan..mm.dd.hh.mm...@domain.name . > > Perhaps the posting filter is keying in on the references header and > doesn't like something in the domain name part of the string repeated > more than a couple times, as it would be as the thread gets longer. If > you've munged your from address and/or there's something that looks like > sex or p3ni5 si23 or some such in that domain name, it could be deciding > the post is spam based on more than two occurrences of that string in any > header. > > Also check any custom headers you may generate, and compare from > addresses, etc. Who knows what it's triggering on? > > Besides asking them about it, there are a couple ways you can trouble > shoot. The most obvious would be an original post from FA, then replies > from pan, and of course the reverse (original from pan, replies from FA), > then mixed replies (pan/FA/pan/FA..., FA/FA/pan/FA/pan/FA/pan..., etc). > You can also use pan's draft message feature, saving the draft, opening > it with a text editor and modifying it (say removing a a message-id or > two from the references header, if testing the above idea), saving it, > then opening that draft in pan and sending it. Finally, note that pan is > available for MSWindows as well, and I believe I've seen reports that > Free Agent works when run in WINE on Linux, so you can test posting from > pan on MSWindows and FA in WINE on Linux as well. Not that such should > make a difference in what the server side sees and therefore can filter, > but it's a possibility for troubleshooting, none-the-less. also try posting to alt.test and not your providers private (0.XXX) group. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Problems with some replies
- Original Message - From: "HarryB" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 20:47 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Problems with some replies > On Thursday 11 December 2008 5:45:39 pm Travis wrote: >> - Original Message - >> From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 15:09 PM >> Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Problems with some replies >> > [snip] > >> >> also try posting to alt.test and not your providers private (0.XXX) >> group. > > Hello Travis, > > When I realized I had a problem, I chose to post test messages to 0.test > simply because it was the first n/g in my groups list. I was unaware it was a > private group and have no idea who owns it. However, there must be some > reason why you suggest alt.test, so I started using it tonight. Groups that begin with a "zero" are usually owned by your ISP. The only people that can post to them are other customers of Bellsouth. My ISP is Verizon and their private groups start with 0.verizon. I can see the 0.verizon groups on giganews (my news provider) but can't post to them. ISP's frown on cross posting from their private groups. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] compile ?
- Original Message - From: "Kurt Schilling" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 03:33 AM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] compile ? > Travis wrote: >> I want to compile Pan 0.133 from source on my netbook. I have Ubuntu dual >> boot with XP. >> I have just done "apt-get install build-essential" that I read about on >> http://www.linux.com/feature/54945 paragraph 9. The rest of the directions >> I don't get. Any help will be appreciated. >> > > As a fellow Ubuntu user, I'll try to clarify things a little. > > First thing I'd do in trying to follow the directions in the referenced > paragraph is to go ahead and use sudo apt-get build-dep Pan. This will > hopefully go find all of the dependencies that you may need to fill to > build Pan from source. Next, apt-get install checkinstall. This won't > hurt and will help in building this package and any future packages that > you compile. Kurt & Duncan I tried "apt-get build-dep Pan" and I get "Unable to find a source package for Pan". Now what? Thanks -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ?
- Original Message - From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: compile ? > "Travis" posted > 3e3c7b1f14dd4fe0bf18172f9ab04...@travispc, excerpted below, on Sun, 14 > Dec 2008 12:22:52 -0800: > >> I tried "apt-get build-dep Pan" and I get "Unable to find a source >> package for Pan". Now what? > > Remember, MSWindows may not care about case, but on Linux, in general > (I've no idea about apt-get), pan <> Pan <> PAN. Try lower case "pan" > and see if that works. The "P" was the problem. I was just following the directions Kurt suggested because I don't know what I am doing. Thanks -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ?
- Original Message - From: "David Shochat" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ? > Travis wrote: >> Can I download it to the desktop? > Yes, you can download it wherever you like (that you have write access to). >> Would that be pan-0.133.tar.bz2 or pan-0.133.tar.gz? >> > Either one. The .bz2 should be slightly smaller, so I generally go with > that. >> How do I untar it? >> > First I'll assume that you did download the tarball to the Desktop. Now > cd to the place where you want to unpack it. This too can be anywhere > you like, that you have write-access to. For example, say you created a > directory under your home directory named "build". Then you'd "cd to it" > i.e., you would type, in the terminal window: > > cd ~/build > > Now if you chose the .bz2 option, your next command would be: > > tar -xvjf ~/Desktop/pan-0.133.tar.bz2 > > If you chose the .gz option, it would be, instead: > > tar -xvzf ~/Desktop/pan-0.133.tar.bz2 > > This will create the directory pan-0.133 (and lots of stuff under that). >> If by "running the various commands" you mean things like "apt-get" >> from a terminal , that is what I have been doing. >> What is "cd into it"? >> > Well, "it" in my example would be ~/build/pan-0.133 (or > $HOME/build/pan-0.133, same thing) so that would mean typing the > following at the shell prompt (in the terminal): > > cd ~/build/pan-0.133 > > cd means "change directory". So when you "cd to" a directory, you are > making it your current working directory. I have the pan .tar.gz on the Desktop but when I do the command "tar -xvzf ~/Desktop/pan-0.133.tar.bz2" from the tra...@ubuntu:~/Build$ in Terminal I get "Cannot open: No such file or directory" etc, etc. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ?
- Original Message - From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 15:12 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: compile ? > "Travis" posted > 70cd701330754ba58fff7128d7472...@travispc, excerpted below, on Sun, 14 > Dec 2008 12:54:19 -0800: > >> The "P" was the problem. I was just following the directions Kurt >> suggested because I don't know what I am doing. > > I figured so. Thanks for letting us know it worked. See my latest post for the next road block. I appreciate everyone trying to help but with several people responding with slightly different instructions I'm finding it difficult to follow. Thanks -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ?
- Original Message - From: "Steven D'Aprano" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 16:09 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ? > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:27:10 am Travis wrote: > >> I have the pan .tar.gz on the Desktop but when I do the command "tar >> -xvzf ~/Desktop/pan-0.133.tar.bz2" from the tra...@ubuntu:~/Build$ in >> Terminal I get "Cannot open: No such file or directory" etc, etc. > > The z option to tar is for .tar.gz and .tgz files, which are compressed > by the program gzip. You're using a .tar.bz2 file, which is compressed > by bzip2, so you need the j option. Try: > > tar -xvjf ~/Desktop/pan-0.133.tar.bz2 I have .tar.gz and did just did what David Shochat said to do. > Travis, I assume you're a little inexperienced with the Linux command > line, so I'll give you a couple of hints that may help in the future: > > * The options mean: > x = extract > v = verbose (prints what it is doing) > j = pass the file through bzip2 for decompression first > f = use the file named next Little inexperienced is an understatement. Why would I want to print what I am doing? > * You don't need to type the long file name, which is error prone. As > you type the command, when you get to pan- hit the TAB key on your > keyboard and the shell will try to auto-complete the file name. (Of > course you can copy and paste it too.) I'm reading these instructions on my Windows desktop and trying things on another desktop so copy and paste is not an option. > * "tar --help" and "man tar" (without the quotes) will give you lots of > information about tar. Possibly too much :) > > * If you're running a modern version of Linux with a decent GUI like KDE > or Gnome, you should be able to just double-click the file to get a > nice GUI application to extract the files. The command line is more > powerful and flexible, except when it's not, but for a single file > there's nothing wrong with using a GUI. I'm running Ubuntu 8.10. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ?
- Original Message - From: "Steven D'Aprano" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 16:28 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ? > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:09:10 am Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:27:10 am Travis wrote: >> > I have the pan .tar.gz on the Desktop but when I do the command >> > "tar -xvzf ~/Desktop/pan-0.133.tar.bz2" from the >> > tra...@ubuntu:~/Build$ in Terminal I get "Cannot open: No such file >> > or directory" etc, etc. >> >> The z option to tar is for .tar.gz and .tgz files, which are >> compressed by the program gzip. You're using a .tar.bz2 file, which >> is compressed by bzip2, so you need the j option. > > Doh! Of course Travis said he has the .tar.gz file. So the z option is > correct, it's the file name that is wrong. All: Using the correct name (tar.gz and not tar.bz2) did the trick. My next step is? Thanks -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ?
- Original Message - From: "Steven D'Aprano" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 16:37 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ? > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:25:09 am Travis wrote: > > [...] >> > tar -xvjf ~/Desktop/pan-0.133.tar.bz2 >> >> I have .tar.gz and did just did what David Shochat said to do. > > And the z option is correct for the file you have, but you typed the > wrong file name. Sorry for the red herring. > > >> > Travis, I assume you're a little inexperienced with the Linux >> > command line, so I'll give you a couple of hints that may help in >> > the future: >> > >> > * The options mean: >> > x = extract >> > v = verbose (prints what it is doing) >> > j = pass the file through bzip2 for decompression first >> > f = use the file named next >> >> Little inexperienced is an understatement. >> Why would I want to print what I am doing? > > Not print to a printer. With the v option, the tar program will print a > list of files to the screen as it extracts them. > > >> > * You don't need to type the long file name, which is error prone. >> > As you type the command, when you get to pan- hit the TAB key on >> > your keyboard and the shell will try to auto-complete the file >> > name. (Of course you can copy and paste it too.) >> >> I'm reading these instructions on my Windows desktop and trying >> things on another desktop so copy and paste is not an option. > > On your Linux machine, start by typing the command and the beginning of > the file name: > > tar -xvzf ~/Desktop/pan- > > Now press the TAB key and the Linux shell will try to fill in the rest > of the file name. If it can't, you may need to type an extra character > or two, then try TAB again. > > Then hit ENTER and away it goes. > > >> > * "tar --help" and "man tar" (without the quotes) will give you >> > lots of information about tar. Possibly too much :) >> > >> > * If you're running a modern version of Linux with a decent GUI >> > like KDE or Gnome, you should be able to just double-click the file >> > to get a nice GUI application to extract the files. The command >> > line is more powerful and flexible, except when it's not, but for a >> > single file there's nothing wrong with using a GUI. >> >> I'm running Ubuntu 8.10. > > You probably should stick with the command line, because it will be > easier for us to help you if you run into trouble. > > But if you really want to use the GUI, I believe that Ubuntu defaults to > the Gnome desktop. (Unlike Windows, in Linux you have a choice of > desktops.) I try not to use Gnome, I dislike it, but double-clicking > the file should work. Then just treat it as if it were like Winzip: > look for an Extract All menu or button, and continue. The file extracted when I gave the proper commands. I think it is better for me to learn by command line. My next step in the "Build from Source" is? Thanks -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ?
- Original Message - From: "Steven D'Aprano" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 16:52 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ? > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:44:45 am Travis wrote: >> The file extracted when I gave the proper commands. >> I think it is better for me to learn by command line. >> My next step in the "Build from Source" is? > > I must admit I missed the beginning of this thread, so I'm not sure what > you're attempting to do. Presumably you do want to build from the > source, but I'll step back and let somebody who has done that before > give you instructions. Ubuntu 8.10 comes with Pan 0.132 and I want to get Pan 0.133 and the only way to do that is to "build from source". -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ?
- Original Message - From: "Joe Zeff" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 17:09 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ? > On 12/14/2008 Travis wrote: >> Ubuntu 8.10 comes with Pan 0.132 and I want to get Pan 0.133 and the >> only way to do that is to "build from source". > > Presumably, it created a directory full of files. In a terminal, go to > that directory. Type the following commands: > > ./configure > make > sudo 'make install' > > This presumes that the first step doesn't report any errors. Of course, > you'll need to give your password for that last step. When I input "cd ~/pan-0.133" I get "No such file or directory". -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ?
- Original Message - From: "Rinaldi J. Montessi" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 17:40 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ? > Travis wrote: >> - Original Message - >> From: "Joe Zeff" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 17:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ? >> >> >>> On 12/14/2008 Travis wrote: >>>> Ubuntu 8.10 comes with Pan 0.132 and I want to get Pan 0.133 and the >>>> only way to do that is to "build from source". >>> >>> Presumably, it created a directory full of files. In a terminal, go to >>> that directory. Type the following commands: >>> >>> ./configure >>> make >>> sudo 'make install' >>> >>> This presumes that the first step doesn't report any errors. Of course, >>> you'll need to give your password for that last step. >> >> When I input "cd ~/pan-0.133" I get "No such file or directory". > > What directory was created when you unzipped the pan tarball? It is in a folder named "pan-0.133" which is in "Build" which is in "travis" which is in "Places". -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ?
- Original Message - From: "Joe Zeff" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 17:41 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ? > On 12/14/2008 Travis wrote: >> When I input "cd ~/pan-0.133" I get "No such file or directory". > > The tarball was on your desktop, so it probably created something like > ~/Desktop/pan-0.133 for its files. Check using your file manager if > you're not sure. See my answer to Rinaldi. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Trouble with Pan and news.grc.com
- Original Message - From: "Beartooth" To: Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 09:49 AM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Trouble with Pan and news.grc.com > On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:46:55 +, Duncan wrote: > >> I Beartooth posted >> pan.2009.01.02.21.12...@swva.net, excerpted below, >> on Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:12:46 +: > [...] >>> I kept getting warnings, editing posting profiles, finding >>> nothing wrong, ad nauseam. > > It says > > !> There were problems with this post. > > !> Warning: The posting profile's server doesn't carry newsgroup > !> " grc.techtalk". > !> If the group name is correct, switch profiles in the "From:" > !> line or edit the profile with "Edit|Manage Posting Profiles". Giganews.com carries "grc.techtalk". -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Temporarily dead server
- Original Message - From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 06:45 AM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Temporarily dead server > Phil Grundig posted > 513125.82668...@web26403.mail.ukl.yahoo.com, excerpted below, on Tue, 13 > Jan 2009 10:56:06 +: > >> Checkboxes/ticks to disable/enable a server would be an entirely >> sensible (and obvious) usability feature to add. >> >> I certainly never would have guessed the '0' connection limit thing, if >> it works that is. > > It doesn't... unless the feature was added for 0.133 and not put in the > changelog or something. Unfortunately... as it'd be nice... > >> Deleting a server also means the entire newsgroup >> list has to be downloaded again when the server is re-added, since Pan >> must simply delete the list! > > What I'd do would be create a couple script thats switched out the > server.xml file, between one with all servers active, and one with > whichever server disabled, then (optionally) start pan. Then with pan > shutdown, simply run one or the other script to switch-in whichever > server list. If the option to start pan is included, one can then > replace whatever current pan menu entries or whatever with entries for > the scripts, after which you can invoke whichever one you like. (Without > the option, one would just run the switcher script when necessary, and > start pan normally.) > > Actually, the question has come up before, and after I suggested the zero > connection thing and it didn't work, that's what I suggested next. Note > that it's possible a few other files may have to be switched out at the > same time to keep pan in sync. I don't think it should need any but the > one, but I've not actually tried it, so I can't say for sure. > >> And syscntl tweaking could have undesired effects on other connections >> for other apps and seems a bit crude. >> >> So: two feature requests (could these be passed on?): >> >> 1. Checkboxes/ticks to disable/enable a server. > > As I said, this has come up before. I believe Charles is aware of the > request. However, it would be a good idea to check the pan bugzilla for > a feature request bug on it and file one if there's not one yet filed. > As with many devs, Charles doesn't keep very close tabs on the lists, and > prefers such feature requests be filed in the bug tracking system so they > don't get lost. > > If you file a bug, you can note this thread as archived on gmane. Here's > the thread origin post: > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.apps.pan.user/10685 > > Similarly, you can then post the bug URL here so there's links both ways. > If the issue is "Temporarily dead server" why not just wait for the temporary situation to resolve? -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Temporarily dead server
- Original Message - From: "Bruce Bowler" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:56 AM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Temporarily dead server > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:34:19 -0800, Travis wrote: > >> - Original Message - >> From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, >> January 13, 2009 06:45 AM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Temporarily dead >> server >> >> >>> Phil Grundig posted >>> 513125.82668.qm-CvTjiXinU0fGRxTy+Q50vsz6deESKz/ > lqq4iyu8u...@public.gmane.org, >>> excerpted below, on Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:56:06 +: >>> >>>> Checkboxes/ticks to disable/enable a server would be an entirely >>>> sensible (and obvious) usability feature to add. >>>> >>>> I certainly never would have guessed the '0' connection limit thing, >>>> if it works that is. >>> >>> It doesn't... unless the feature was added for 0.133 and not put in the >>> changelog or something. Unfortunately... as it'd be nice... >>> >>>> Deleting a server also means the entire newsgroup list has to be >>>> downloaded again when the server is re-added, since Pan must simply >>>> delete the list! >>> >>> What I'd do would be create a couple script thats switched out the >>> server.xml file, between one with all servers active, and one with >>> whichever server disabled, then (optionally) start pan. Then with pan >>> shutdown, simply run one or the other script to switch-in whichever >>> server list. If the option to start pan is included, one can then >>> replace whatever current pan menu entries or whatever with entries for >>> the scripts, after which you can invoke whichever one you like. >>> (Without the option, one would just run the switcher script when >>> necessary, and start pan normally.) >>> >>> Actually, the question has come up before, and after I suggested the >>> zero connection thing and it didn't work, that's what I suggested next. >>> Note that it's possible a few other files may have to be switched out >>> at the same time to keep pan in sync. I don't think it should need any >>> but the one, but I've not actually tried it, so I can't say for sure. >>> >>>> And syscntl tweaking could have undesired effects on other connections >>>> for other apps and seems a bit crude. >>>> >>>> So: two feature requests (could these be passed on?): >>>> >>>> 1. Checkboxes/ticks to disable/enable a server. >>> >>> As I said, this has come up before. I believe Charles is aware of the >>> request. However, it would be a good idea to check the pan bugzilla >>> for a feature request bug on it and file one if there's not one yet >>> filed. As with many devs, Charles doesn't keep very close tabs on the >>> lists, and prefers such feature requests be filed in the bug tracking >>> system so they don't get lost. >>> >>> If you file a bug, you can note this thread as archived on gmane. >>> Here's the thread origin post: >>> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.apps.pan.user/10685 >>> >>> Similarly, you can then post the bug URL here so there's links both >>> ways. >>> >>> >> If the issue is "Temporarily dead server" why not just wait for the >> temporary situation to resolve? > > Largely because I'm "impatient" :-) > > - I'm in pan several times a day. > - There are 25+ groups in the server in question > - the server has been "dead" for 2+ weeks now (but I've been assured > "repairs are underway, don't despair") > - each time I exit pan, I get the message that "pan has stopped > responding, kill now or wait", which bugs me. > > It seems to me that it's a reasonable function to have an "ignore this > server for now" option that doesn't involve deleting the server, which > deletes all the groups, which means re-subscribing to those groups when > you want to "pay attention" to that server again in the future. If your free news server isn't delivering then it is time for a paid server. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Problems unraring archives downloaded with PAN.
- Original Message - From: "apebrigade" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 15:35 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Problems unraring archives downloaded with PAN. > Hi. I am hoping this is the correct place to raise this problem! > > I use PAN to connect to Giganews and use .NZB files to locate the files. > PAN seems to be working correctly and downloading all of rar files > correctly. My problem comes when I try to unrar the archive as it is > split into many files. > > I have tried: > > unrar x /filename / > > This brings up a dialog where I can see the files contained within the > archive, but when I try to extract them they do not appear in the target > folder. It fails to extract the files for some reason. I have tried > this on my windows machine using "newsbin" and this works fine, so I > believe that files are not corrupt. > > Has anyone seen this before? My giganews is ssl encrypted could this be > the problem? > > Any advice would be appreciated! I use Pan to download multi part Rar'ed files from Giganews and I never have a problem unraring. My connection to GN is not ssl encrypted. Why are you paying extra for the encrypted ssl connection? -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Problems unraring archives downloaded with PAN.
- Original Message - From: "apebrigade" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 15:35 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Problems unraring archives downloaded with PAN. > Hi. I am hoping this is the correct place to raise this problem! > > I use PAN to connect to Giganews and use .NZB files to locate the files. > PAN seems to be working correctly and downloading all of rar files > correctly. My problem comes when I try to unrar the archive as it is > split into many files. > > I have tried: > > unrar x /filename / > > This brings up a dialog where I can see the files contained within the > archive, but when I try to extract them they do not appear in the target > folder. It fails to extract the files for some reason. I have tried > this on my windows machine using "newsbin" and this works fine, so I > believe that files are not corrupt. > > Has anyone seen this before? My giganews is ssl encrypted could this be > the problem? > > Any advice would be appreciated! Forgot to say that I just double click one-- Travis in Shoreline Washington of the parts and the magic happens. ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Problems unraring archives downloaded with PAN.
- Original Message - From: "David Kelly" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 18:45 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Problems unraring archives downloaded with PAN. > > On Mar 18, 2009, at 8:11 PM, David Shochat wrote: > >> On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:35:18 +, apebrigade wrote: >> >>> Hi. I am hoping this is the correct place to raise this problem! >>> >>> I use PAN to connect to Giganews and use .NZB files to locate the >>> files. >>> PAN seems to be working correctly and downloading all of rar files >>> correctly. My problem comes when I try to unrar the archive as it is >>> split into many files. >>> >>> I have tried: >>> >>> unrar x /filename / >>> >> rar e '*.rar' > > Suggest using par first to verify the files you have downloaded. Am > betting they are .par2 error correcting *and* then rar split. > > If you have par2cmdline installed something like this works (in C > shell): > > alias par nice +20 par2 r \*.PAR2 \*.par2 \*.PAR \*.par \| \& tee output > > And then to reassemble with rar in a directory specified on the > command line: > > alias urar mkdir \!^ \&\& nice +20 unrar x \*.RAR \*.rar "\*" \!^ > > > So in short once the above aliases are defined simply type "par" in > the directory where the files are downloaded. After everything is > checked and/or repaired then "urar /path/to/dest" where dest doesn't > yet exist. It will be created and the only thing in dest will be the > file(s) and possibly directories from the rar archive. > > You could take the "nice +20" out of each. Nice only attempts to "be > nice" and lower the process priority so other things can run. > > The unrar utility above has a sucky DOS-based command line parser. You > have to escape the * wildcard filename to tell it what to extract. Why not just double click one of the par2 files and let the magic happen. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Problems unraring archives downloaded with PAN.
- Original Message - From: "David Kelly" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 20:24 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Problems unraring archives downloaded with PAN. > > On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Travis wrote: >> >> Why not just double click one of the par2 files and let the magic >> happen. > > > Because the OP was typing command line. > > Because while this is a Pan list and its safe to assume one has X > installed and running it is not safe to assume anything else about > which and what bloat of various Linux distributions has been installed. > > And its especially not safe to assume Linux. > > Linux-free since 1995! (since 0.99pl13) His command line didn't work. Double clicking always works for me. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Problems unraring archives downloaded with PAN.
- Original Message - From: "Keith Richie" To: Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 20:55 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Problems unraring archives downloaded with PAN. > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:32 AM, David Kelly wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:42:52PM -0700, Travis wrote: >>> >>> His command line didn't work. >> >> No kidding? Perhaps that is why the OP posted? As I explained earlier >> the unrar command line has an unusual uncommon syntax. >> >>> Double clicking always works for me. >> >> Not helping by not providing *any* detail as to why it works. As to >> what hooks were installed, what optional packages, or even what desktop >> you are running? >> >> I have the latest KDE installed, but I find its GUI file navigation too >> clumsy and use command line in a terminal window. OTOH I'm happy with >> Finder in MacOS X. Yet I still supplement with Terminal.app on Mac. >> >> You know that one can mount a .iso file by double-clicking in MacOS X? >> Clearly the solution to mounting .iso files is for everyone to run >> MacOS X. >> >> -- >> David Kelly N4HHE, dke...@hiwaay.net >> >> Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. >> >> >> ___ >> Pan-users mailing list >> Pan-users@nongnu.org >> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users >> > > unrar x $file > extracts $file with the full path. If the archive contains a folder > blah with file blah.blah. Using unrar x will produce > $PWD/blah/blah.blah. > > unrar e $file > extracts $file to current directory without rebuilding the folder > structure. Following the above example you would end up with blah.blah > in the current directory. > > If the OPs command is not a typo, the problem is with the '/' 's There > most likely isn't a rar archive located at / nor have write > permissions to / . IF there is a rar archive in / and does have write > permission to / there's a whole other set of problems here. > > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) I do believe that > qualifies as Linux? > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.16670 <-- Could be why > double clicking also works for you. Exactly. Vista just works. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Problems unraring archives downloaded with PAN.
- Original Message - From: "Steven D'Aprano" To: Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 22:02 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Problems unraring archives downloaded with PAN. > On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:33:55 pm Travis wrote: > >> Exactly. Vista just works. > > Really? You didn't need to install an unrar utility first? Fantastic! > Perhaps you should let these guys know that Vista has support for rar > files straight out of the box, because they thought that you needed to > install a utility before unraring "just worked". > > http://www.vistax64.com/vista-general/75769-vista-compatible-unrar-software.html Yes I have 7-Zip installed. It also just works. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Problems unraring archives downloaded with PAN.
- Original Message - From: "Steven D'Aprano" To: Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 23:57 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Problems unraring archives downloaded with PAN. > On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:29:04 pm Travis wrote: > >> >> Exactly. Vista just works. >> > >> > Really? You didn't need to install an unrar utility first? >> > Fantastic! Perhaps you should let these guys know that Vista has >> > support for rar files straight out of the box, because they thought >> > that you needed to install a utility before unraring "just worked". >> > >> > http://www.vistax64.com/vista-general/75769-vista-compatible-unrar- >> >software.html >> >> Yes I have 7-Zip installed. It also just works. > > And 7-Zip comes standard with Vista? Bill said no but it doesn't matter 'cause 7-Zip is free. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Newsfeed
ould call "cheap", but they put a lot of effort and
>> money into ensuring that their news service is the best connected
>> possible, and if giganews doesn't have the post, it's relatively safe to
>> say few servers beyond the one the original poster used to post the
>> message, got it. Giganews /does/ have some cheaper text-only accounts,
>> tho, I believe. That sounds like what you may be interested in.
>
> Verizon used to subcontract to Giganews for its feed(s), and I
> seem to recall once having some other provider that did, too. And
> news.verizon.com used to have not only the bburg and va hierarchies, but
> even the vatech one. And if memory serves, there were no limits.
>
>>> Iow, if I have to use one I pay for, set that to a lower
>>> priority, right? Do all feeds charge the same way -- i.e., by
>>> bandwidth, or by flat rate? Or is it a howling chaos out there?
>>
>> "Howling chaos" is a pretty apt description. I don't believe it's quite
>> as bad as shopping for a cell phone service, but it's not far from it,
>> either. There's all sorts of plans and prices based on all sorts of
>> criteria for all sorts of purposes and usage patterns out there.
>>
>> The saving grace for you is that you've said you aren't particularly
>> interested in binaries. That means MUCH lower traffic, and
>> consequently, that you can knock off the expensive options right off the
>> bat.
>
> Is there any easy way to get a handle on my traffic? If I can get
> back to all the groups I want to follow, there'll be fifty or sixty of
> them, ranging between ones I check at least once a day, and ones I don't
> check even once a month. There'll also be some where I read almost
> everything, and some where I delete 90% and up without reading.
>
> Giganews's bottom ("jade") offer is 3 GB/mo, for $2.99 (which, I
> *think*, is also per month).
>
>> Text-only also means that you're likely to be able to find a free server
>> that will work well for you if you try hard enough. Many folks like
>> motzarella, which comes well recommended as a free server tho I've never
>> tried it.
>
> You seem to be telling me it is possible only to search provider
> by provider for groups; not to search for a group and find out which
> providers carry it. Right?
>
>> But, if you just want something that works and don't mind paying a bit,
>> for text-only, there's lots of paying options out there too. You can
>> get anything from block accounts, say 25 GB for $15 or $25 or some such,
>> which don't expire and should last a very long time (very likely over
>> two years for 25 GB on text-only), to the few dollars a month services
>> like giganews and others offer. As I mentioned, giganews has a
>> reputation as the gold-standard and for text you can likely get by with
>> their cheapest account, if you don't mind paying a bit to just get the
>> best and forget about it. Personally, I've never had a paid account
>> with them, but that's because I do binaries too on occasion (tho rarely
>> these days), and for binaries, while they are the gold standard, there's
>> cheaper and almost as good, which is where I've gone.
>
> Are you saying you pay a flat fee, once, for a set number of GB,
> and not again till you've used that up? All the plans at giganews.com
> that I see today seem to charge per month. They also have a 10-day trial
> period that's download-only -- you can't post. (I suppose you could
> arrange to skip that, though they don't say how.)
>
>>>> Since all the gmane groups, for instance, will only be on the gmane
>>>> server, it'll only grab them from there. Same, I expect, with the grc
>>>> groups, etc, from the grc server only.
>>>
>>> That's fer sartin shore. Steve Gibson is as close to the world
>>> champion of computer defenses as any one person I know of.
>>
>> This gets OT, but while I do respect his knowledge, he does have enough
>> of the salesman in him to be quite offensive to some. I do still
>> recommend him for MS users, but with the caveat that they take the self-
>> sales-pitch he offers with a rather large grain of salt. If people can
>> do that, he's a good source of security information. If they're
>> offended by the sales pitch or gullible enough to be taken in by it, for
>> them, there are probably better (less offensive and/or more neutral)
>> sources for the same info. But he has a VERY good way of being ab
Re: [Pan-users] Re: server priority and completeless
- Original Message - From: "Joe Zeff" To: Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: server priority and completeless > On 03/26/2009 Beartooth wrote: >> Maybe I don't know what a binary is. All I ever normally do is >> read text. I avoid images, especially moving images, and sound. > > Binarries are non-text files, such as images, sound, movies and > programs. In general, anything (except a url) that Pan has to use an > outside program to display would be considered a binary. If you're > limiting yourself (as I do) to text-only groups and Pan is reporting > incomplete messages, there's either a problem at your news server, or in > your connection. Unless you're having other connection difficulties, > i'd talk to whatever tech support you can get from your news service. Actually images, moving or still, are just text because NNTP will only accept text. The news client does the converting. You can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroups -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: server priority and completeless : EXAMPLE
- Original Message - From: "George Czerw" To: Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: server priority and completeless : EXAMPLE > On Sunday 29 March 2009 13:29:31 Beartooth wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:08:20 -0400, George Czerw wrote: >> > On Friday 27 March 2009 11:56:12 Beartooth wrote: >> >> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:46:45 -0700, Alan Meyer wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> >> >> > It sure looks like Motzarella dropped the group. Pan has cached the >> >> > newsrc and still shows it as a Motzarella group. If you tell it to >> >> > re-download the groups I suspect your newsgroup will be gone from the >> >> > list. >> >> >> >> Nope. Rec.guns, rec.hunting, va.forsale, and va.general are all >> >> still there. >> > >> > Beartooth, >> > >> > Have you tried subscribing to motzarella.support and posting your >> > problem there? They are pretty responsive to trouble reports. >> >> What is this motzarella.support? I don't see any link to it on >> either of the motzarella pages I have. (And no, my ancient eyeballs >> can't stand webgibberish (html) -- if anything in there says anything, >> I'll never find it.) > > It's one of the eight motzarella.x newsgroups carried on their servers. > As a motzarella user, all you have to do is subscribe to it! > > motzarella.grouprequests > motzarella.info > motzarella.moderated > motzarella.newusers > motzarella.nocems > motzarella.support > motzarella.talk > motzarella.test > As Duncan said earlier. Please stop with the HTML. Thank you. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] giganews trouble
- Original Message - From: "Beartooth" To: Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 14:06 PM Subject: [Pan-users] giganews trouble > > I signed up for an individual giganews account, and immediately > went to full activation, forgoing the "free trial"; but I get two error > messages from Pan when I try to post -- first one saying > > Warning: The posting profile's server doesn't carry newsgroup > "alt.appalachian". > If the group name is correct, switch profiles in the "From:" > line or edit the profile with "Edit|Manage Posting Profiles". > > If I then tell that to post anyway, I get > > 441 No valid newsgroups in "alt.appalachian" > > -- I just posted to alt.appalachian. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: giganews trouble
- Original Message - From: "Beartooth" To: Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 14:39 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: giganews trouble > On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:18:17 +, Duncan wrote: > >> David Shochat posted >> gs8e2p$a3...@ger.gmane.org, excerpted below, on Thu, 16 Apr 2009 >> 23:13:29 +: >> >>> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:06:46 +, Beartooth wrote: >>> >>>> I signed up for an individual giganews account, and immediately went >>>> to full activation, forgoing the "free trial"; but I get two error >>>> messages from Pan when I try to post -- first one saying >>>> >>>> Warning: The posting profile's server doesn't carry newsgroup >>>> "alt.appalachian". >>> It looks to me like giganews DOES carry that group. Are you sure that >>> the posting profile you have associated with alt.appalachian names >>> news.giganews.com for "post articles via"? >> >> Hi David and Beartooth. This was my first thought as well. Check that >> the posting profile used is set to post to giganews. > > I seem to have misunderstood something. I know giganews carries > a.a, because I followed it for years with a Verizon account, when Verizon > subcontracted news to them. > > What I failed to realize was that my profile chooses the > newsfeed. This is going to get tiresome: I follow far too many groups, > however cursorily, to have a profile for each. I had unthinkingly > supposed, as I should not have done, that Pan would not only read from, > but post to, each group using primary servers first; I may have to > upgrade my giganews account. > > But, fwiw, the post I sent to a.a went from a Motzarella profile, > precisely because the giganews on failed repeatedly. > > Funny how I can think a thing, and not think it, at the same time > -- presumably with different parts of what it amuses me to call my mind... Verizon has been my ISP since 1999 and then and now has had their own news servers. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: giganews trouble
- Original Message - From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> To: Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 16:41 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: giganews trouble > Beartooth posted > pan.2009.04.17.21.39...@comcast.net, excerpted below, on Fri, 17 Apr 2009 > 21:39:10 +: > >> What I failed to realize was that my profile chooses the newsfeed. This >> is going to get tiresome: I follow far too many groups, however >> cursorily, to have a profile for each. I had unthinkingly supposed, as I >> should not have done, that Pan would not only read from, but post to, >> each group using primary servers first; I may have to upgrade my >> giganews account. > > You don't need a posting profile for each group. You do need at least > one profile for each server you intend to post from. Once you have one, > if the other details are fine, you can select that profile for all the > groups. Once you setup a profile to post from giganews, all you should > need to do is ensure it is selected for the first post from every group > you intend to post to from giganews. > >> But, fwiw, the post I sent to a.a went from a Motzarella profile, >> precisely because the giganews on failed repeatedly. > > Have you checked your giganews account, not to upgrade it, but to see if > there's an option you need to set to post from it? > > Back when I had newshosting, they had an option that controlled whether > you could post from that account or not. Many binary users don't want to > post, only to download, and in fact would be embarrassed if they > accidentally sent a post to whatever pr0n group they're downloading, thus > the option. This keeps such accidents from happening by default, but it > was easy enough to turn the posting flag on when I actually wanted to > post. IDR whether it was a mail I had to send to a special address or an > option I had to toggle on the site but once it's set to allow posting, > the next time you login, it should allow it. > > I'm not sure if giganews has a similar option or not but it would explain > not being able to post to the group using a profile set to do so. I use Giganews and never had to do anything special to post to the groups I read. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Documentations
- Original Message - From: "walt" To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Documentations > On Thu, 14 May 2009 16:03:05 +, Duncan wrote: > >> ...(FWIW Gnome just announced a switch to GIT not long ago, and >> PAN's repository is with Gnome, but I don't know the status of pan's >> switch, directly... > > I just cloned the pan2 git repository and I'm posting this with the > resulting pan2 :) > > In my excitement to make the switch I deleted my svn repo -- and the > patches that were in it -- without thinking. So, are there currently > any important patches that Charles hasn't commited yet? Can't you restore it from the "Trash"? -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Speaking of servers
- Original Message - From: "George Czerw" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Speaking of servers > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 12:51:33 Beartooth wrote: >> It may be my imagination, but in recent weeks (ever since I >> signed up with motzarella) I seem to be getting a lot more error reports >> in the events log; and when I look, most if not all are from Motzarella. >> >> Does this mean what I suspect? > > It means that you're getting what you're paying for! If you can't put up > with > its foibles, then purchase a subscription to a less flaky, more-reliable > service. (I'm not being critical, I use motzarella as well). HTML messages are frowned upon here. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Deleting groups
- Original Message - From: "John Sedore" To: Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 15:44 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Deleting groups > Can anyone tell me how to delete individual groups from the group > list? I'm using version 0.132. Right click on the group you don't want and select "Unsubscribe". -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Deleting groups
- Original Message - From: "John Sedore" To: Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 20:27 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Deleting groups > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Jim Henderson wrote: >> On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:44:27 -0700, John Sedore wrote: >> >>> Can anyone tell me how to delete individual groups from the group list? >>> I'm using version 0.132. >> >> Right click, delete the groups' articles, and then unsubscribe from the >> group. >> >> Jim > > Thanks Jim! But what if I'm trying to remove groups from the list of > those available, not just unsubscribing? In that case you will have to convince your news provider to NOT carry the groups you don't want to see as being available. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: a little something for the pan heads
- Original Message - From: "walt" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 17:14 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: a little something for the pan heads > As we used to say back in the day, "Wow, psychedelic, man!" Maybe it is because he sends his messages as attachments. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: a little something for the pan heads
- Original Message - From: "walt" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 17:33 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: a little something for the pan heads > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:17:56 -0700, Travis wrote: > >> - Original Message - >> From: "walt" To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June >> 23, 2009 17:14 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: a little something for the >> pan heads >> >> >>> As we used to say back in the day, "Wow, psychedelic, man!" >> >> >> >> Maybe it is because he sends his messages as attachments. > > Good point, Travis. Actually it's not his replies that are attachments, > it's his digital GPG signatures, and I believe that pan is indeed getting > confused by that. Here are the error messages from pan/git, which do not > appear when I use pan/svn: > > (pan:10643): gmime-CRITICAL **: g_mime_object_get_content_type: assertion > `GMIME_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > > (pan:10643): gmime-CRITICAL **: g_mime_content_type_is_type: assertion > `GMIME_IS_CONTENT_TYPE (mime_type)' failed > > (pan:10643): gmime-CRITICAL **: g_mime_multipart_insert: assertion > `GMIME_IS_OBJECT (part)' failed > > (pan:10643): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT > (object)' failed His very first message came through normally to me but the next two were attachments as was his sig. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: a little something for the pan heads
- Original Message - From: "Artur Jachacy" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 18:16 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: a little something for the pan heads > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:47:18 -0600, K. Haley wrote: >> Another update. >> >> git://github.com/lostcoder/pan2.git >> >> ee4420f FIXED: Bug574419 icon in nzb mode. 901b0ed FIXED: add pan.doap >> 79d02f4 FIXED: Bug579753 setting an adjustment with non-zero page size >> is deprecated >> c9cc2b3 FIXED: Bug548860 Missing tooltips. 7e88157 FIXED: Bug545220 >> Recognize and handle code 503 >> >> enjoy. > > Thanks for your work, I might get around to building a new Windows build > one day. I wonder if you could have a look at a bug that irritates me a > a bit: even if you disable text wrapping in both the main window and the > posting window, Pan wraps the quoted text when you hit reply (see your > bugfix list quoted above). I would appreciate it if you did. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Better processing of very large groups?
- Original Message - From: "walt" To: Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 18:28 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Better processing of very large groups? > Our recent pan angel, K. Haley, has already included that change in his/her > git archive (git://github.com/lostcoder/pan2.git) for which I once again > send my thanks to him/her. How do I get it into my Windows version of Pan? Thanks -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Better processing of very large groups?
- Original Message - From: "Duncan" <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> To: Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 21:31 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Better processing of very large groups? > "Travis" posted > ee3985f694f44887a37b26eac04af...@travispc, excerpted below, on Thu, 02 > Jul 2009 19:18:45 -0700: > >>> Our recent pan angel, K. Haley, has already included that change in >>> his/her git archive (git://github.com/lostcoder/pan2.git) for which I >>> once again send my thanks to him/her. >> >> How do I get it into my Windows version of Pan? > > Presumably, you'd find the patch (search bugzilla, and/or the list > archives for it), apply it to the pan sources, and recompile. > > I have a script here with Gentoo that makes such patch application as > simple as dropping a file in a directory named for the package, in most > cases, which is nice when a new version of gcc came out and I'm trying to > recompile everything with it, and a lot of packages need patches that > aren't in the Gentoo tree just yet. The tough part of course is finding > all the necessary patches, tho they're often in Gentoo's bugzilla > already, and if not, very often in other bugzillas (upstreams, Debian, > RedHat/Fedora, Novell/SuSE, etc). That's the great thing about open > source -- the community works cooperatively enough that once one person > has the solution, it tends to spread to everyone else quickly enough, so > no one person or company has to do all the work. > > But of course Gentoo isn't Windows. > > Anyway, I think I saw one of the two guys that usually provide Windows > binaries, mention that they were going to apply the patches and see about > getting new Windows binaries out, too. But I haven't seen the > announcement that they're actually available, yet. So it's either grab > the patches, apply them and compile it yourself, or wait for them to do > it. I also saw that the folk that provide the Windows version of Pan said he/she/they were going to add it, sometime. So I take it the patch can't just be applied to Pan? -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Win32 build/installer of GIT updates
- Original Message - From: "Steve Davies" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 14:10 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Win32 build/installer of GIT updates >I am just in the process of uploading a new build/installer package > based on the GIT snapshot from 07/Jul/2009. > > It is in the usual place http://paninstall.googlepages.com/ until > Google migrate it elsewhere. > > Let me know if you find any problems. The build was not particularly > easy :( I had to update to gmime 2.4, which was a pain, but which I > hope was successful. > > Enjoy! > Steve Thank you. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Win32 build/installer of GIT updates
- Original Message - From: "Steve Davies" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 14:10 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Win32 build/installer of GIT updates >I am just in the process of uploading a new build/installer package > based on the GIT snapshot from 07/Jul/2009. > > It is in the usual place http://paninstall.googlepages.com/ until > Google migrate it elsewhere. > > Let me know if you find any problems. The build was not particularly > easy :( I had to update to gmime 2.4, which was a pain, but which I > hope was successful. After I installed this new build I noticed that Pan would not show me the multi part (2,3 or4).jpg, just a blank space where the picture should be. Any text including headers etc. did show like always. Thanks -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] RE: Need help starting over from scratch
- Original Message - From: "Earl Jones" To: Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 07:28 AM Subject: [Pan-users] RE: Need help starting over from scratch Petr Kovar wrote: It seems like it's a Pango and/or i18n issue. I suspect you're using English (en) locale on your system, right? Did you try also to reinstall the GTK+ bundle? Which one did you choose? There are several available on the net. Steve suggests either http://gladewin32.sourceforge.net/ or http://gtk-win.sourceforge.net/home/index.php/en/Downloads on his website. Only the latter one provides current GTK+ release (2.16) though, so you should probably follow that one. Best, Petr Kovar I have removed and re-installed the GTK+ library you suggest. I have also removed Pan and reinstalled the latest build (0.133.0.0). Now, when I try to start Pan, I get an error pop-up from pan.exe with the following error: The procedure entry point cairo_format_stride_for_width could not be located in the dynamic link library libcairo-2.dll. I am lost. Do you have any other ideas? - Earl ---- HTML=FAIL -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Pan 1.33, Windows XP and GTK themes
- Original Message - From: "Gary" To: Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 09:58 AM Subject: [Pan-users] Pan 1.33, Windows XP and GTK themes >I have installed and am running the latest PAN (1.33) on Windows XP. > Also installed is the latest version of GTK. The problem is that even > though I change my default theme using the GTK theme selector it has no > effect on PAN. Is there some trick I am missing? Changing the theme in GTK changes Pan on my machine. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Pan 1.33, Windows XP and GTK themes
- Original Message - From: "Steve Davies" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 04:44 AM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Pan 1.33, Windows XP and GTK themes 2009/7/28 Travis : > - Original Message - > From: "Gary" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 09:58 AM > Subject: [Pan-users] Pan 1.33, Windows XP and GTK themes > > >>I have installed and am running the latest PAN (1.33) on Windows XP. >> Also installed is the latest version of GTK. The problem is that even >> though I change my default theme using the GTK theme selector it has no >> effect on PAN. Is there some trick I am missing? > > Changing the theme in GTK changes Pan on my machine. > > -- > Travis in Shoreline Washington > Are you both running the same 0.133 build? The latest git-based Win32 build (090727) includes significantly newer libraries than the vanilla 0.133 build. This may be either fixing or breaking themes. Let me know. Regards, Steve I'm running 0.133-1 without the git bits. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Pan 1.33, Windows XP and GTK themes
- Original Message - From: "Steve Davies" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 09:01 AM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Pan 1.33, Windows XP and GTK themes > 2009/7/28 Travis : >> >> >> I'm running 0.133-1 without the git bits. >> > > And I am running newly dowloaded everything with GIT goodness, on > WinXP, which also works. > I tried using Pan with the GIT bits but Pan would not display multi-part (2 or 3) .jpgs. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Pan 1.33, Windows XP and GTK themes
- Original Message - From: "walt" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 17:43 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Pan 1.33, Windows XP and GTK themes > On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:53:50 -0700, Travis wrote: > >> - Original Message - >> From: "Steve Davies" >> To: Sent: Tuesday, >> July 28, 2009 09:01 AM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Pan 1.33, Windows XP and >> GTK themes >> >> >>> 2009/7/28 Travis >>> : >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm running 0.133-1 without the git bits. >>>> >>>> >>> And I am running newly dowloaded everything with GIT goodness, on >>> WinXP, which also works. >>> >>> >> I tried using Pan with the GIT bits but Pan would not display multi-part >> (2 or 3) .jpgs. > > On *nix, at least, that was a bug in gtk that got fixed months ago, so > maybe you have an older version of gtk? I don't recall which version > fixed the bug, but Duncan will remember because he's still a youngster. I updated to the latest GTK and Pan with the GIT bits still does not show yEnc .jpg's. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Pan crashes on start of program
- Original Message - From: "Doug Saylor" To: Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 18:52 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Pan crashes on start of program Running Ubuntu 9.04 UNR. I can barely make out, "Thank you for trying Pan. To start newsreading you must add a sever" I hear a "dink" then Pan shuts down. I've been using this program for over a month, so obviously I already had a sever set up. Un-installed, rebooted, reinstalled, rebooted, nothing works. Very frustrating! I'm hoping fixing this problem will teach me more about Linux rather then just reinstalling the whole OS. HTML messages are a no no. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Pan crashes on start of program
- Original Message - From: "Doug Saylor" To: Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 20:55 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Pan crashes on start of program Just started using mail.com -- sorry for the wrong setting. Hopefully I've fixed it..? Not yet. Still HTML. Web mail is the pits. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Pan crashes on start of program
- Original Message - From: "Doug Saylor" To: Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 21:11 PM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Pan crashes on start of program You ROCK! This is the way I personally like to learn... fix stuff then figure out why it worked . So now the program doesn't crash. It appears to be letting me add a server. What's my next move? I'll probably have some follow-up questions on how all this worked if that's ok? You need to learn how to dump the HTML -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] No HTML I hope.
- Original Message - From: "Doug Saylor" To: Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 21:25 PM Subject: [Pan-users] No HTML I hope. I got it this time, right? No HTML..? Sorry for the inconvenience. Looks clean. One has to be careful with web mail, some of them seem to revert to HTML without letting the user know. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Error saving large JPEG image
- Original Message - From: "Rhialto" To: Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Error saving large JPEG image > On Sun 09 Aug 2009 at 18:50:15 +0100, Paul Crawford wrote: >> disk. Rather as if pan has dropped/inserted the odd byte or two in >> combining the parts. I have seen this on other large images as well. > > Last time I checked (which admittedly is quite a while ago), Pan's Yenc > decoder is faulty. It just concatenates the binary parts it finds, with > no regard to the byte ranges that are indicated for them. If the 3 parts > have overlapping ranges, Pan would mis-decode them. (If a part is > missing, it doesn't insert an empty block with 0s either). I use Pan 0.133 on my windows machine and Pan decodes and combines yEnc jpg's and movie files without any problem. There is always the occasional mis-encoded file but that is rare in the groups I follow. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Anybody getting va.forsale??
- Original Message - From: "Beartooth" To: Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 09:38 AM Subject: [Pan-users] Anybody getting va.forsale?? > > I haven't seen a single post on va.forsale in months. Just now I > tried telling my newsreader to get all headers; it churned very briefly > -- and got nothing. > > Could this be some bad setting in Pan?? I just checked "va.forsale" on Giganews and the most recent post is dated August 7th 2009. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Advice on other lists
- Original Message - From: "Doug Saylor" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 20:43 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Advice on other lists A few of you guys were S helpful... I'm hoping you can help me find a list that can help me with my current problem. I'm using a Netbook, Acer Aspire One, Ubuntu Netbook Remix 9.04 & I have AT&T 3G Broadband. It's working in XP. Can't get it working in Linux. I'm looking for mailing lists that could be helpfull. Thanks ahead of time. My Pan is working G-R-E-A-T! - Doug Saylor Does AT&T have Linux drivers? -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: x-face problem
- Original Message - From: "Jethro Van Thuyne" To: Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 14:56 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: x-face problem > On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:01:45 -0700, Travis wrote: > >> I use the x-face converter (http://www.dairiki.org/xface/xface.php) and >> paste the text into the "Extra headers" space but when I post an article >> to a newsgroup the x-face is scrambled and when I go back to the "Extra >> headers" in "Edit posting profile" the original text is changed. > > Hi Travis, > > I hope you have been able to solve this in the meantime. If not: > > the output from dariki.org's converter contains line breaks (my output > consisted of three lines with, consequently, two line breaks). You have > to remove the breaks and turn the whole thing into a single line, > starting with "X-Face:" and ending with the last character that was on > the last line. > > I guess it's a syntax thing, the header can't contain line breaks. I didn't fix it I just gave up. Now I will try again. Thanks. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] 0.134 and Beyond
- Original Message - From: "Charles Kerr" To: Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 13:27 PM Subject: [Pan-users] 0.134 and Beyond > I've gotten my git account refreshed at gnome.org and have started > committing changes for 0.134. :) > > For starters what I'd like to do is get caught up with the other > libraries and tools that have changed since 0.133 came out. > The GCC 4.4 compile fixes that Daniel reported and that K Haley > has fixed in his github repo are an obvious example of that. > > Even more important, IMO, is getting 0.134 ready for GNOME 3. > Pan 0.133 uses a /lot/ of deprecated glib, gdk, and gtk API calls. > All those API calls are going away in GNOME 3. > If Pan isn't ready, it will go away too. > > Other "upkeep" issues in the same vein would be to support newer > versions of GMime and to use glib 2.14's regular expression API > instead of requiring PCRE. > > === > > Looking past 0.134, I'm not sure how much time I'll have for Pan. > Probably not much. Unlike the my last pre-0.90 hiatus, I don't > have a pile of new Pan code waiting in the wings... that hobby > time has gone to Transmission. > > I'm very happy that K Haley's repo exists, but we also need to > make official releases once in awhile, since that's what most > Pan users see. That requires someone with write access > to git.gnome.org and rebelbase.com. > > One model would be for me to do this, rolling things "upstream" > from github to git.gnome.org and making old-fashioned tarballs > once in awhile. > > Another model, which would IMO be better, would be a committee > of people existed to do these things, and if I were just one > of many people involved. I still have a special love for Pan, > but at this point I've got more love for it than free time. > > Lastly, I'm not sure there's any point in keeping these > awkward pre-1.0 numbers going any longer. I doubt anyone > except Duncan and me -- or maybe just Duncan, come to think > of it -- remember the remaining goals for 1.0. If we were > to name the next release 1.0, that would at least signal to > the rest of the world that Pan still has some life left in it. :) I'm not much of a *nix use (with zero coding skills) so I use the Windows version of Pan and like it very much. I sure would hate to see Pan wilt on the vine. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: anybody else see this?
- Original Message - From: "Jim Henderson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 09:13 AM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: anybody else see this? > On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:59:50 +, Bruce Bowler wrote: > >> I follow the list vie gmane, which may or may not be relevant. >> >> The last message I see is one from K. Haley on 10/4/2009 at 4:30 PM >> (EDT) >> >> What's odd, is that it shows as 0 lines long. If I look at the same >> message in the mailing list archives mentioned at rebelbase, or if I >> look at it at the gmane website, there is text in the message. >> >> The other odd thing about the message is that it, seemingly, can't be >> marked read. Each time I start pan, pan thinks there is 1 unread >> message in the group, which is always the one from K. Haley. I say mark >> it read and the unread count goes to 0, I exit pan, and it is, once >> again, marked as new. >> >> Any ideas on why (and how to "fix" it?) > > I was wondering if anyone else was seeing it as well - no idea how to fix > it, but it is somewhat annoying (nothing personal against the poster). > > Maybe a bug at gmane? I follow the list via email on a Windows machine. The Message from K. Haley on 10/4 shows up with no text but has an attachment and the attachment contains the text of his message. Is that the cause? -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: What have I done??
- Original Message - From: "Jim Henderson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: What have I done?? > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:55:32 +, Beartooth wrote: > >> Trying to plonk an author, I clicked on "isn't" and must, I suppose, >> have chosen the wrong "isn't" -- so that now all authors *but* the >> obnoxious one are ignored. Anyway, the group shows only the one author I >> don't want. >> >> Where and how do I undo this?? > > You could just edit the change out of the score file - that's just a text > file. > > Another option would be to go to the "View" menu and select "Header > Pane", then select the options to view all articles. Pick one that's > showing as ignored and right click in the header pane and select "Edit > Article's Watch/Ignore/Score" - you should be able to remove the bad rule > from there and IIRC the change will apply across all articles. My Pan (0.133 on Windows) doesn't have the option under View->Header Pane to view all articles. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: What have I done??
- Original Message - From: "Jim Henderson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 18:26 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: What have I done?? > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:15:30 -0700, Travis wrote: > >> - Original Message - >> From: "Jim Henderson" >> To: Sent: Thursday, >> October 15, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: What have I done?? >> >> >>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:55:32 +, Beartooth wrote: >>> >>>> Trying to plonk an author, I clicked on "isn't" and must, I suppose, >>>> have chosen the wrong "isn't" -- so that now all authors *but* the >>>> obnoxious one are ignored. Anyway, the group shows only the one author >>>> I don't want. >>>> >>>> Where and how do I undo this?? >>> >>> You could just edit the change out of the score file - that's just a >>> text file. >>> >>> Another option would be to go to the "View" menu and select "Header >>> Pane", then select the options to view all articles. Pick one that's >>> showing as ignored and right click in the header pane and select "Edit >>> Article's Watch/Ignore/Score" - you should be able to remove the bad >>> rule from there and IIRC the change will apply across all articles. >> >> My Pan (0.133 on Windows) doesn't have the option under View->Header >> Pane to view all articles. > > It's not a single option, it's broken down by scores; tick the option to > view articles with a score of - and that should show all ignored > articles. > > Sorry for not being clearer on that. OK. Thanks. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] So, what's left before 1.0?
-- From: "Charles Sullivan" Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:12 AM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] So, what's left before 1.0? On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:47:16 -0500 Charles Kerr wrote: A few posts back I mentioned that I don't remember what the remaining checklist items were before this 43-release-long beta series finally goes stable. I doubt anyone -- except maybe Duncan -- remembers, and whatever they were, I wonder if they're dusty enough to be outweighed by the fact that most distros now carry this "beta" as default installed software. Other than the GMime update to fix multipart messages -- which is already in K Haley's repo -- are there any honest-to-God showstoppers left? Not feature requests, tweaks, or whatnot, but things that would actually prevent Pan 1.0 from finally, finally coming out...? Charles As far as I'm concerned, PAN lost 75% of its overall utility when the ability to save posts in folders was dropped. (I used this feature to save solutions and tips posted in technical newsgroups.) I save stuff to folders all the time. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] OT: nzb or group searching or ??
-- From: "vr" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:27 PM To: Subject: [Pan-users] OT: nzb or group searching or ?? Please excuse these off-topic bits but since knowledgeable usenet veterans lurk here I figured it worth a shot. I've tried bin search dot com a number of times and usually come up short with some of the heavily populated groups, many millions of headers in some cases! My usenet provider is Giganews and to my knowledge doesn't offer server side indexing. I am wondering what other folks here are doing to locate content quickly without expending days to pull down those headers, only to choke on them at the client? We have FiOS 25/15 so it takes no time at all to download a huge bunch of headers. It is necessary to limit the total number at one time so as not to choke Pan. Then it is just a matter of skimming quickly through the headers. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Many Binaries Cannot Be Shown In Pan
-- From: "Scott Pettigrew" Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:58 PM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Many Binaries Cannot Be Shown In Pan I feel completely stupid asking this - but I've searched a bit to no avail - HTML formatted messages are frowned upon here. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
[Pan-users] cache
I forgot where the cache size is. Thanks -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] cache
-- From: "Ufuk YILDIRIM" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:13 AM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] cache On 02.01.2010 10:21, Travis wrote: I forgot where the cache size is. Thanks -- Travis in Shoreline Washington In the preferences.xml file, under the .pan2 directory. I thought that's where it was but wasn't sure. Thank you. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Many Binaries Cannot Be Shown In Pan
-- From: "Scott Pettigrew" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 4:37 PM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Many Binaries Cannot Be Shown In Pan Wow, Travis, thanks for advancing the conversation and putting me in my place. Totally txt. Thank you, -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] I have problems with some binary postings using yEnc
-- From: "SciFi" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:48 PM To: Subject: [Pan-users] I have problems with some binary postings using yEnc Hi, My build of Pan here is having extreme difficulties with binary postings that are in yEnc format but not marked on the Subject line as such. See the clips below for what I mean, please. I looked into where Pan stores each Message-ID (its articles-cache). I see the poster is using a beta of Yenc-Power-Post. I clearly remember this has been such a common mistake with some m$ software over the years, and I do remember his posting app has been 'implicated', historically speaking. Yenc-Power-Post is not a Microsoft product. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] I have problems with some binary postings using yEnc
-- From: Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:13 PM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] I have problems with some binary postings using yEnc -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 00:02:42 -0600, Travis wrote: Yenc-Power-Post is not a Microsoft product. Did not say it was, exactly. I am talking about m$ USERS usually "without a CLUE" hint-hint. You said: "I clearly remember this has been such a common mistake with some m$ software over the years, and I do remember his posting app has been 'implicated', historically speaking." Looks exactly to me. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Many Binaries Cannot Be Shown In Pan
-- From: "Timothy J. Hamilton" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 3:42 PM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Many Binaries Cannot Be Shown In Pan On Sat January 2 2010 19:37:28 Scott Pettigrew wrote: Wow, Travis, thanks for advancing the conversation and putting me in my place. At first I got really mad and wrote a much snarkier reply, but thought better of it. I hope you accept my apologies for my previous transgressions. I can only hope this message is correctly formatted and will not further grump-ify you. I have now compiled the code from the github on two fairly fresh Ubuntu systems, and have (I think) perfected the art of chasing down the requisite programs & libraries. The following is a complete list of commands that I used to accomplish the build. Note that I install the package-maintainer's version of Pan so that I more easily get the menu items, etc. $ sudo apt-get install pan git git-core gnome-common libgtk2.0-dev libpcre3-dev libgmime-2.4-dev $ cd ~ $ mkdir src $ cd src $ git clone git://github.com/lostcoder/pan2.git $ cd pan2 $ sh ./autogen.sh --prefix=/home/ $ make $ make install $ cd /usr/bin $ sudo mv pan pan.OLD $ sudo cp /home/scottkuma/bin/pan . $ sudo chown root: pan I've documented this along with some explanation of why I did certain commands at my blog: http://scottkuma.net I hope this helps some folks who love the program as much as I do, and who felt as lost as I did when it didn't work out of the box in Karmic Koala!! <> > HTML formatted messages are frowned upon here. > -- > Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users Travis, Thank you, thank you. I was hoping somebody would post idiot-friendly instructions. I followed your directions and VOILA!!! I have a pan installation that behaves itself. FWIW, Pan as it is packaged for Suse 11.2 displays multipart jpegs just fine. I was hoping Ubuntu would package a version in Lucid Lynx that would display multipart jpegs correctly. Maybe if the Ubuntu users on this list would post bug reports & comments in the forums, Lucid would be released with a better version. You should thank Scott Pettigrew not me. I'm a Windows guy. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Many Binaries Cannot Be Shown In Pan
-- From: "john wendel" Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 3:55 PM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Many Binaries Cannot Be Shown In Pan On 01/03/2010 03:42 PM, Timothy J. Hamilton wrote: On Sat January 2 2010 19:37:28 Scott Pettigrew wrote: Wow, Travis, thanks for advancing the conversation and putting me in my place. At first I got really mad and wrote a much snarkier reply, but thought better of it. I hope you accept my apologies for my previous transgressions. I can only hope this message is correctly formatted and will not further grump-ify you. I have now compiled the code from the github on two fairly fresh Ubuntu systems, and have (I think) perfected the art of chasing down the requisite programs& libraries. The following is a complete list of commands that I used to accomplish the build. Note that I install the package-maintainer's version of Pan so that I more easily get the menu items, etc. $ sudo apt-get install pan git git-core gnome-common libgtk2.0-dev libpcre3-dev libgmime-2.4-dev $ cd ~ $ mkdir src $ cd src $ git clone git://github.com/lostcoder/pan2.git $ cd pan2 $ sh ./autogen.sh --prefix=/home/ $ make $ make install $ cd /usr/bin $ sudo mv pan pan.OLD $ sudo cp /home/scottkuma/bin/pan . $ sudo chown root: pan I've documented this along with some explanation of why I did certain commands at my blog: http://scottkuma.net I hope this helps some folks who love the program as much as I do, and who felt as lost as I did when it didn't work out of the box in Karmic Koala!! <> HTML formatted messages are frowned upon here. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users Travis, Thank you, thank you. I was hoping somebody would post idiot-friendly instructions. I followed your directions and VOILA!!! I have a pan installation that behaves itself. FWIW, Pan as it is packaged for Suse 11.2 displays multipart jpegs just fine. I was hoping Ubuntu would package a version in Lucid Lynx that would display multipart jpegs correctly. Maybe if the Ubuntu users on this list would post bug reports& comments in the forums, Lucid would be released with a better version. tim Allow me to add my thanks also. Fedora doesn't seem to be picking up the latest patches, so I'll be using your instructions soon to build my own. I guess we'll see if they're really "idiot-friendly". Thank Scott Pettigrew not me. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] I did more testing; using another news-readerthose files fetched fine.
-- From: "Wayne E. Nail" Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:07 PM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] I did more testing; using another news-readerthose files fetched fine. SciFi, you and I likely have the same version of Pan from Charles's tree -- I thought he had called it 1.34 at some point -- but I don't know how to tell. Where is the version information located in the source? There has never been a 1.xx version. Version 0.133 is the most recent by Charles. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Multipart Binaries Bug - When Will It Be Fixed?
-- From: "Scott Pettigrew" Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:52 PM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Multipart Binaries Bug - When Will It Be Fixed? If you are using Ubuntu 9.10, an list of instructions for downloading, making sure all dependencies are met, compiling, and installing from K.Haley's github can be found at my website: http://bit.ly/69mgMM I really should try to do this for Windows, as well. :) I sure would appreciate a new windows Pan. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Multipart Binaries Bug - When Will It Be Fixed?
-- From: "Graham Todd" Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:16 AM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Multipart Binaries Bug - When Will It Be Fixed? On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 08:29:44 -0500 Scott Pettigrew uttered these words: Graham: If you use the instructions offered on my blog page ( http://bit.ly/69mgMM ), you will be able to *MOSTLY* cut & paste the commands. The extent of your typing would likely be your username where indicated in the commands. [snipped] Thanks, thanks, THANKS a lot for that!! (you see my screen writer is working overtime 8-] ) It WORKED! Blimey, IT WORKED! (I'm a Brit - it sometimes shows!) Many, many thanks for getting me out of my frustrations with Pan. Now I just have to get people to post ALL the parts of a multipart binary! You might try to get them to post PAR2 recovery blocks. Missing parts are not always the result of the posters omission. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Building Pan on Windows?
evelopment in the last two years?> > The latest version I'm seeing is 0.133, have their been any changes> > made to the source that would make compiling it worthwhile?> There have been a few patches, tho mostly you'll find them in khaley's git > repo, not in the official upstream gnome pan repo, yet. In particular > there's one that fixes corruption of many-part binaries in some cases. If > you do binaries, you'll likely be interested. If you do only/mostly text > and no many-part binaries (so still images probably won't count, neither > should single-song mp3s, tho whole albums might, and movies of any size > likely will), it's possible you'll not find anything worth bothering with.I download mostly pics, but for whatever reason, they're still usually multi-part. I haven't hit the bug you're talking about, though, unless you're talking about where sometimes a file will say it has errors, but if you redownload it, it comes through fine. So that one doesn't bother me too much. Usually the videos I download (TV shows mostly) have .par2 files, so they correct any other issues.> But AFAIK, at least one of the guys doing MS executables (IIRC there were > two) has been building from the khaley sources, so using his should get > you the patches already. Again, I don't do servantware, so haven't > bothered keeping up with the details.They might be, but the most recent build for Windoze is the one by Steve Davies, which is dated 090820, I'm assuming that's August 20, 2009. So I have no idea if there are updates past that which I'm missing. Thank you for the answer, though, because it has been very helpful to me, since it reminded me to check their pages for updates. I had the one which Mr. Davies had built, so maybe I have most of the patches you mentioned.-- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs."Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman___Pan-users mailing listmailto:Pan-users@nongnu.org"; href="mailto:Pan-users@nongnu.org";>Pan-users@nongnu.orghref="http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users"; target="_blank">http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users --0-1517885886-1267826248=:79979-- --===1496308169== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users --===1496308169==-- -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan onWindows?
-- From: "Alan Meyer" Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 10:48 AM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Pan onWindows? Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: There's no problem buying a program. In fact ... I see that this is a subject on which you have thought long and deeply. I have to agree with some of your points. On the issue of trust, for example, I trust that the open source software that I run is safe. However I have found that a number of closed source programs I have installed on my Windows machines included spyware. And those are the ones I was able to find out about. There may be many others that I didn't find out about that also include spyware. That's not to say that all authors of non-free software are untrustworthy, but without the source code we can't easily tell if they are trustworthy. Why don't you name names? -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building Panon Windows?
-- From: "walt" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:20 PM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: OT: freedomware vs... Was: Building PanonWindows?> On 03/07/2010 03:49 PM, Duncan wrote: Here's something that's worth thinking about... Thanks Duncan, great post. I'm afraid you're preaching to the choir, though, in a group like this one. Well, OTOH, there are a few Windows users who post here, and you guys should listen to Duncan. I listen to all those that post here Duncan included even though it sometimes reminds me of what I might hear at a rightwing "Fundamentalist" revival. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Building Pan on Windows?
-- From: "Jeremy Elliott" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:28 AM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Building Pan on Windows? Thanks for the answer, Steve. I don't actually have any issues with Pan, just wondering if there had been any new features added or minor bugs that had been patched. I try to check the homepage every month or so, but I'd forgotten to check your page until I received that response. I've now also downloaded the GTK2 installer you link to (my old one was 2.14, from the GIMP page) and everything seems to be working fine there. Thank you very much. Someone made a boo boo. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Building Pan on Windows?
-- From: "Jeremy Elliott" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 12:31 PM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Building Pan on Windows? From: Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> To: pan-users@nongnu.org Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 2:23:06 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Building Pan on Windows? Travis posted on Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:30:51 -0800 as excerpted: -- From: "Jeremy Elliott" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:28 AM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Building Pan on Windows? Thanks for the answer, Steve. I don't actually have any issues with Pan, just wondering if there had been any new features added or minor bugs that had been patched. I try to check the homepage every month or so, but I'd forgotten to check your page until I received that response. I've now also downloaded the GTK2 installer you link to (my old one was 2.14, from the GIMP page) and everything seems to be working fine there. Thank you very much. Someone made a boo boo. Indeed. Jeremy, please don't post in HTML, there's a reason pan doesn't do HTML, it's a security/malware/spammer issue and it looks bad on clients that choose not to enable HTML. Also, this isn't Jeopardy, the answer isn't supposed to be before the question (upside down posting, reply before quote). Sorry about posting the answer before the question, that's the way that Yahoo formats it by default. Also, I'm not posting anything in HTML, unless Yahoo is forcing it in. Not sure about that, because there's no option about it in anything I can see. HTML again. I don't use Yahoo mail so I can't help there but GMail allows me to choose and it is free. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: Building Pan on Windows?
-- From: "Jeremy Elliott" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 12:58 PM To: Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Building Pan on Windows? -- Forwarded message -- From: Jeremy Elliott To: pan-users@nongnu.org Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 15:56:43 -0500 Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Building Pan on Windows? From: "Jeremy Elliott" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 12:31 PM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Building Pan on Windows? From: Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> To: pan-users@nongnu.org Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 2:23:06 PM Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Building Pan on Windows? Travis posted on Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:30:51 -0800 as excerpted: -- From: "Jeremy Elliott" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:28 AM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: Building Pan on Windows? Thanks for the answer, Steve. I don't actually have any issues with Pan, just wondering if there had been any new features added or minor bugs that had been patched. I try to check the homepage every month or so, but I'd forgotten to check your page until I received that response. I've now also downloaded the GTK2 installer you link to (my old one was 2.14, from the GIMP page) and everything seems to be working fine there. Thank you very much. Someone made a boo boo. Indeed. Jeremy, please don't post in HTML, there's a reason pan doesn't do HTML, it's a security/malware/spammer issue and it looks bad on clients that choose not to enable HTML. Also, this isn't Jeopardy, the answer isn't supposed to be before the question (upside down posting, reply before quote). Sorry about posting the answer before the question, that's the way that Yahoo formats it by default. Also, I'm not posting anything in HTML, unless Yahoo is forcing it in. Not sure about that, because there's no option about it in anything I can see. HTML again. I don't use Yahoo mail so I can't help there but GMail allows me to choose and it is free. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington Having to do this as a new post, but here it is from my GMail. Now I'll have to remember to switch the subscription and to check this email more often than every 2-3 days. lol With GMail you can do POP and then just use your regular email client. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] New win32 installer soon
-- From: "George McAllister" Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:51 PM To: "Steve Davies" Subject: Re: [Pan-users] New win32 installer soon Hello Steve, Thursday, March 11, 2010, 9:49:56 PM, you wrote: In preparation for the new Win32 installer being uploaded, I have had to change the way I share the .exe files. Google Sites no-longer allows then to be shared, so I have uploaded them to a Google Documents Folder, granted public access, and linked to that folder from the site. Could someone check that they can download the latest file from that folder for me? I hope to upload a newly tweaked GIT-repo-freshness updated Pan win32 installer within 24 hours. Regards, Steve ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users I've just downloaded the 0.133-1.exe without any problems. Me 2. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: New win32 installer soon
-- From: "Steve Davies" Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 6:21 AM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: New win32 installer soon On 12 March 2010 12:53, Jeremy Elliott wrote: On 11 March 2010 21:49, Steve Davies wrote: New file is up - Thanks to people who checked the Google Docs downloads. Regards, Steve Maybe I'm missing something, but all I see are the older versions. Is it named pan-0.133-1.exe? All the others seem to have dates from last year. Well spotted. Permissions were wrong :) Try again now. Thank you. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] New win32 installer soon
-- From: "Keith" Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 2:54 PM To: Subject: Re: [Pan-users] New win32 installer soon What is the URL to download PAN 1.233-1.exe? https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0Bxjl408XUVptYjhhM2FiNTAtZTNhYi00MWY4LTk2ZDYtNTVlNmU2NDQ3NDY2&hl=en_GB -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T.
-Original Message- From: Duncan Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:58 PM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: [Pan-users] Re: updated info - O.T. my younger sister did far better, and actually took medicine in Mexico, she's a doctor I usually take my medicine at home? Windows Live Mail Beta doesn't do the quoted reply thing. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] New shiny Pan Win32 installer build
-Original Message- From: Steve Davies Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 11:52 AM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: [Pan-users] New shiny Pan Win32 installer build For those of you who have the need to use a Windows operating system... Tested on Windows XP 32-bit, Vista 32-bit, Windows 7 64-bit There is now a new, built from the ground up Win32 installer pabcage of the Pan Newsreader available here: http://sites.google.com/site/paninstall/ Thank you. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.134 "Wait for Me"
-Original Message- From: Petr Kovar Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 10:18 AM To: pan-users Subject: [Pan-users] ANN: Pan 0.134 "Wait for Me" February 15, 2011 - New Release: 0.134 "Wait for Me" http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/ Thank you for the site redesign and the work you've done on Pan. I'm hoping Steve Davies does a Windows installer version soon. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.134 "Wait for Me"
-Original Message- From: Steve Davies Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 4:47 AM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Re: ANN: Pan 0.134 "Wait for Me" Win32 package is up. Let me know if there are any issues with the site, Google Docs access, the MSI, or indeed the build of Pan :) Charles, please note that Google changed the URL for their sites, so the new URL is: http://sites.google.com/site/paninstall/ Thank you. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Pan on windows?
-Original Message- From: Sapient Fridge Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 12:06 PM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: [Pan-users] Pan on windows? Hi, I used Pan many years ago on Linux but am currently looking for a newsreader on Windows, I was forced off my old newsreader by bugs in 64 bit Windows 7 and I don't like Thunderbird very much. Is there a recent windows version of Pan available? I could only see an old installer for it on the pan.rebelbase.com web page. If I were to want to try Pan out on Windows then what would I do? If it would be useful to you then I'm happy to feed in bug reports and usability comments to someone afterwards. BTW: I'm mentioned on this web page, way back in 2001: http://pan.rebelbase.com/oldnews/oldnews-10.html Look here: http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/ Steve Davies was kind enough to make a Windows installer. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Patch for NZB Creation via GUI
-Original Message- From: Heinrich Mueller Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 4:24 AM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: [Pan-users] Patch for NZB Creation via GUI Hi all. I just made a few modifications to PAN for fun as I needed the ability to create NZB files from the GUI. Pan had already built that in, I just implemented some functions. I copied the nzb_to_xml function and let it skip the non-standard xml tag. I tested it on a few files and it worked flawlessly. Enjoy! imhotep How do I apply this patch to my Windows world of Pan? Please turn of the HTML messages. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Pot, Kettle: Black (was Re: Patch for NZB Creation via GUI)
-Original Message- From: Ron Johnson Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:21 AM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: [Pan-users] Pot, Kettle: Black (was Re: Patch for NZB Creation via GUI) On 05/03/2011 09:03 AM, Travis wrote: [snip] Please turn of the HTML messages. A gmail user who sends mail in html format and uses an MUA that doesn't know how to quote replies should: a) keep his mouth shut and, b) go into the corner and flagellate himself with a wet noodle until... he realizes that he must use a decent MUA and newsreader. I apologize for the HTML error. I don't know what a MUA is. I follow Pan via email not news. Thanks for the help? -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
Re: [Pan-users] Patch for NZB Creation via GUI
-Original Message- From: Steve Davies Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:59 AM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Pan-users] Patch for NZB Creation via GUI On 3 May 2011 15:03, Travis wrote: -Original Message- From: Heinrich Mueller Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 4:24 AM To: pan-users@nongnu.org Subject: [Pan-users] Patch for NZB Creation via GUI Hi all. I just made a few modifications to PAN for fun as I needed the ability to create NZB files from the GUI. Pan had already built that in, I just implemented some functions. I copied the nzb_to_xml function and let it skip the non-standard xml tag. I tested it on a few files and it worked flawlessly. Enjoy! imhotep How do I apply this patch to my Windows world of Pan? That rather depends where you get your windows build from :) I will probably include this in the installer bundle when I get some time. Cheers, Steve I get my Windows build from you. Thanks -- Travis in Shoreline Washington ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
