Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-15 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
> 
> This appears to leave us with sci-ai/* because:
> 
> First, 'AI' seems to be the term that is commonly used (just look at 
> this mail's subject) and understood.
> 
> Secondly, while others may find sci-ai to buzzwordy, that could also 
> been seen as an advantage.

This. 

Buzzwordy is kinda fine since categories are a human-oriented interface.
I.e., what is the first you think about where you would expect a package...

++ for sci-ai 

(Now, is it really sci-ai, or should we also come up with dev-ai (for
libraries without explicit scientific context) and sys-ai (for accelerator
device drivers) in addition? :)

> 
> And finally, maybe there will be non-deep-learning packages which we 
> then could put under sci-ai/*.
> 
> - Flow
> 


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[gentoo-dev] Last rites: sys-cluster/teleport

2025-03-15 Thread Arthur Zamarin
# Arthur Zamarin  (2025-03-15)
# EAPI=7, uses deprecated Go eclasses. Isn't maintained in Gentoo
# since 2019, with awaiting version bump (upstream is still active).
# Has open security vulnerabilities.
# Removal on 2025-04-14.  Bugs #951417, #631076, #679948, #695310,
#771051, #844727, #880151, #908590, #948207, #813702, #866356.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 4/5] linux-mod-r1.eclass: make modules_process_dracut.conf.d public

2025-03-15 Thread Nowa Ammerlaan

On 14/03/2025 17:23, Ionen Wolkens wrote:

On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 01:48:50PM +0100, Nowa Ammerlaan wrote:

  eclass/linux-mod-r1.eclass | 7 +++


ftr my opinion on this hasn't changed since the beginning, I was hoping
that the idea would be scrapped early rather than more work being put
into it.


I noted your initial concerns and sam's hesitation, and would have 
stopped pursuing this further had I not also received positive feedback 
convincing me that there is indeed some demand for adding DKMS support 
as an option. I had hoped that the final version of the new eclass, 
being significantly cleaner and more robust, would have changed your mind.



This just feels like a messy half-solution that we're better off
without.

So NACK from me, both for linux-mod-r1 and adding support to my
packages like nvidia-drivers.

Not that I'll revert if it gets merged anyway.


Is there anything I can say or do to convince you otherwise? I honestly 
believe that I have addressed all concerns that have been raised so far.


Adding support for the DKMS pathway to only a subset of kernel modules 
is bound to be lead to a confusing end result, so that is not really a 
state in which I want to merge this in.


Best regards,
Nowa



Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-15 Thread Sam James
Arsen Arsenović  writes:

> Filip Kobierski  writes:
>
>> On Monday, March 10th, 2025 at 21:40, Alfredo Tupone  
>> wrote:
>>> To declutter sci-libs and dev-libs from most of the "so called"
>>> AI packages I think that a new category should be created.
>>> Maybe sci-ai/ or dev-ai/ or sci-dl/ (deep-learning)
>>
>> I really like thi idea.
>> For better or worse the field is growing and it would be nice
>> to have a separate category for it.
>>
>> In my opinion the category should begin with "sci":
>> - "sci-ai" feels the most general but buzzwordy;
>> - "sci-dl" is too specific as not AI is deep learning;
>> - "sci-ml" (machie learning) in my opinion would be the
>>   best choice as it describes the packages listed clearly.
>
> As was mentioned, sci-ml would be confusing with Meta-Language.
>
> The term "AI" has a very long and storied history, and covers the entire
> field of machine learning and then some.  I think 'sci-ai' is most
> fitting as a result (and, besides also being more fitting, it also is
> not ambiguous).

I agree. I can live with sci-ml if the consensus goes the other way, though.



Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages

2025-03-15 Thread Petr Vaněk
On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 08:47:42AM +0100, Florian Schmaus wrote:
> On 10/03/2025 21.40, Alfredo Tupone wrote:
> > To declutter sci-libs and dev-libs from most of the "so called"
> > AI packages I think that a new category should be created.
> > Maybe sci-ai/ or dev-ai/ or sci-dl/ (deep-learning)
> 
> Thanks for your proposal.
> 
> I would go with sci-ai/*, even if all packages under that category would 
> be about deep/machine learning. And while sci-ml would maybe more 
> suitable, -ml seems to be established to indicate OCaml / ML, and we 
> should avoid naming inconsistencies. For the same reason I would rule 
> out sci-machine-learning.
> 
> This appears to leave us with sci-ai/* because:
> 
> First, 'AI' seems to be the term that is commonly used (just look at 
> this mail's subject) and understood.
> 
> Secondly, while others may find sci-ai to buzzwordy, that could also 
> been seen as an advantage.
> 
> And finally, maybe there will be non-deep-learning packages which we 
> then could put under sci-ai/*.

From all answers in this thread, this one resonates with me. I prefer
sci-ai/* as well.

Petr







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[gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/5] use.desc: document new dkms flag

2025-03-15 Thread Nowa Ammerlaan
Signed-off-by: Nowa Ammerlaan 
---
 profiles/use.desc | 1 +
 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)

diff --git a/profiles/use.desc b/profiles/use.desc
index 36468b321ddb..6e8329009947 100644
--- a/profiles/use.desc
+++ b/profiles/use.desc
@@ -66,6 +66,7 @@ dedicated - Add support for dedicated game servers (some 
packages do not provide
 dga - Add DGA (Direct Graphic Access) support for X
 dist-kernel - Enable subslot rebuilds on Distribution Kernel upgrades
 djvu - Support DjVu, a PDF-like document format esp. suited for scanned 
documents
+dkms - Manage external kernel modules with sys-kernel/dkms
 doc - Add extra documentation (API, Javadoc, etc). It is recommended to enable 
per package instead of globally
 dri - Enable direct rendering: used for accelerated 3D and some 2D, like DMA
 dts - Enable DTS Coherent Acoustics decoder support
-- 
2.48.1