Re: clustering outgoing SMTP servers

[Jim Bailey]

On Oct 20, 09:05, Steven Jones wrote:
> I would like to cluster 2 servers to share the load of outgoing email.
> 
> Not detail so much as the principles to give me something robust.

I don't do stuff like this anymore since giving up stock options and
start ups for community colleges and group hugs on the Brixton
Frontline.[0]  So you really need to talk to people on the relevant
lists. :-)

I would firstly look at where the bottleneck is on the current server,
probably I/O as it is going to be cheaper and simpler to fix that than
build a H/A clustering solution with all the pain and consultancy fees
that it will entail. :-)

However if you do have money and resources to burn, look at Postfix and
Linux Virtual Server.  There are .debs for them both but this is not
going to be a trivial job have lots of fun.[1] ;-P 

[0] Strictly for the INFPs. 8D

[1] http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/
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Re: USE flags ??

[Jim Bailey]

On Oct 21, 09:56, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> "Philippe Dhont   (Sea-ro)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Is there a possibility to use "USE FLAGS" like in gentoo ?
> 
> No. We're not ricers.  http://www.funroll-loops.org/

Speak for your self I find Gentoo is great for my mid-life crisis. ;-)
> 
> > This would be very easy to install new software.
> 
> Apt isn't good enough for you?

It is alright but there is always room for improvement, I think emerge
has the edge as a packet management tool. ;-P

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Re: USE flags ??

[Jim Bailey]

On Oct 26, 10:17, Paolo Alexis Falcone wrote:
> During the early days of the Debian project, the members then did
> consider going source-based: provide the upstream source and a
> debianized patch after which the users would compile it themselves.But
> later on they did realize that a binary distribution would be more
> maintainable.

Thats interesting I will check the Debian archives for more details.  I
will admit that I am currently spending 90% of my time in Debian ATM
really like the new Sarge installer and answers many of my gripes
including great wifi support for all the old laptops I am installing 
and the partioning tools EVMS/LVM support is good.  Pet peeve sshd 
doesn't just work, sorry but I think it should. ;-)

Wish list is that it can be easily modifiable similar to Morphix and
that the initial boot has more troubleshooting tools.  I guess a more
"Live-CD" environment is what I hanker after but for each architecture.  

Where APT has the edge is all the add ons like apt-proxy it makes
managing a network of systems much easier.  I also think that the Debian
packaging system is quite lovely once you start to get your head around
it.  All said I think Debian and myself are going to be quite happy
together, though I'm polyamourous and it going to have to learn to
share. ;-P

If any of the Sarge DI crew are reading well done! :-)
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Re: USE flags ??

[Jim Bailey]

On Oct 25, 11:49, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> Jim Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > On Oct 21, 09:56, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> >> "Philippe Dhont   (Sea-ro)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> 
> >> > Is there a possibility to use "USE FLAGS" like in gentoo ?
> >> 
> >> No. We're not ricers.  http://www.funroll-loops.org/
> >
> > Speak for your self I find Gentoo is great for my mid-life crisis. ;-)
> 
> Just remember the number of jokes that can be made about a five inch
> wide tailpipe and the phrase "fully dilated."

Mock all you like I have a plan, I have been contacted by a nice
Nigerian widow with a business proposal.  Once I am rich beyond my
wildest dreams I intend to buy a Sun E15K as a work station, making
gentoo compile time lag insignificant.  If this is not enough to make me
a complete babe magnet.  I will also have enough money left over for a
penis extension and enough viagra to make me permanently hard.  God I
need a web cam.
> 
> Whatever emerge gains in featurism, it loses in compile time.

Not on an E15K it doesn't. ;-P

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Reusing .debs

[Jim Bailey]

Hi,

Is there a quick and  dirty way to get debian to use the
/var/cache/apt/archives .debs from another machine?

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Re: Reusing .debs Solved apt-move

[Jim Bailey]

On Nov 13, 12:21, Jim Bailey wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is there a quick and  dirty way to get debian to use the
> /var/cache/apt/archives .debs from another machine?
> 
Bad form to answer my own question but the answer for me seems to be
no there is however a very good tool called apt-move, which I used to
set up apartial mirror and point my other boxen at that.

Thanks to those who offered suggestions.
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Re: Any chance of Debian adding YaST

[Jim Bailey]

On Jul 28, 04:55, Florian Ernst wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 09:44:49AM -0500, Scott Thompson wrote:
> > Does anyone know if there are any official or third party plans to develop a
> > version for Debian.  
> 
> Please see
> 
> and the discussion starting at
> 
> for details.

Interesting thread but it doesn't answer the posters real question which
is automagical detection of hardware.

My technique for such events is to boot a Knoppix cd and bootstrap
Debian proper in a chroot environment.  You can then copy the knoppix
/etc files to the chroot, trimming any cruft out of the knoppix /etc.
Hell with morphix you can LVM a scsi array before dumping the files to
disk preconfigured to what ever system or application package I want.

See debian-non-profit for the joys of Debian/Morphix, beats the pants
off aptitude.

Though to be honest I use Gentoo live CD
because of its EVMS package to carve up scsi arrays before installs.

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Re: Any chance of Debian adding YaST

[Jim Bailey]

On Jul 28, 07:23, Klaus Imgrund wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 July 2004 06:14 pm, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Jim Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Though to be honest I use
> > > Gentoo live CD because of
> > > its EVMS package to carve up scsi arrays before
> > > installs.
> >
> > http://www.funroll-loops.org/
> > Gentoo considered hella-stoopid.

Lol Great site, love the boy racer analogy, you just have to admire
sheer youthfull exuberance and ignorance. :)

If you can not then there is something misconfigured in there and that
is sad. :(

dpkg-reconfigure self? ;)
> 
> Oh - man,there we go again.
> Distro-pissing contest time everybody!!

Does it really have to be that way, when I go out for a ruby with
friends we have Debian, Red Hat, Gentoo, Suse admins, we even sometimes
have lusers but we make them sit on their own. ;)

The posters original desire was for something in the Debian installer to
auto-detect hardware the way Yast does.  The Debian devs on the thread
linked to were primarily concerned with the way Yast deals with
configuration files.  IMHO the Debian installer deals poorly with
auto-detection of hardware and the creation of LVMs.  I could be plain
wrong on this, if I am I am happy to be enlightened. :)

Please restore a little faith in my my fellow humanity and lets have a
little open reasoned debate about issues, instead of retreating into the
bunkers of fundamentalism.

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Re: dselect disorientation

[Jim Bailey]

On Aug 07, 09:32, Dieter wrote:
> I lost the orientation with dselect.-( Can anyone tell how to get it
> back?-) I think I made somathing wrong but I don't know what.
> I don't understand why there are so many packages to be removed and
> downgraded.
> Is there a good way to get a "clean" status back.
> 
Yes 'R' for revert will reset dselect, type '?' in deselect for a list
of help files, 'k' for list of keystrokes.

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Re: Bogus reply-to

[Jim Bailey]

On Aug 08, 11:22, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> On 2004-08-09, Tim Connors penned:
> >
> > What I am saying, is all of these discussion lists have differnt
> > policies.  It's kind of silly expecting people to remember which
> > policy belongs to which list, and blasting people when they get it
> > wrong.
> 
> My understanding is that gmane translates my Mail-Copies-To: never into
> the appropriate mail followup header.  I've asked a couple of times if
> this is working, and no one has said anything to me, so I assume it is.
> In fact:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/08/msg00281.html
> 
> shows:
> 
> # Mail-copies-to: never
> # Mail-followup-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Aren't these the vaunted headers?  And yet, I get cc'd, or directly
> emailed, all the time.  Either people's clients or broken, or they are.
> Either way, the headers don't work.  Not reliably.

I use mutt, if I press 'r' to reply I get offered the following address

Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([yes]/no):

If I refuse I get offered your bounce address, neither of which are good
options.

If I press 'g' to reply I get the list, which sort of makes sense but is
not particularily intuitive IMHO.

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Re: Bogus reply-to

[Jim Bailey]

On Aug 09, 11:16, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> On 2004-08-09, Jim Bailey penned:
> >
> > I use mutt, if I press 'r' to reply I get offered the following
> > address
> >
> > Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([yes]/no):
> >
> > If I refuse I get offered your bounce address, neither of which are
> > good options.
> 
> What do you mean by my bounce address?  If you mean the address in the
> "From" field, that's a legit address and will route to me.

Ok now I know but with spam prepending the domain I figured it was bound
for somewhere unpleasant via procmail.
> 
> > If I press 'g' to reply I get the list, which sort of makes sense but
> > is not particularily intuitive IMHO.
> 
> What if you press 'L' for list-reply?

No mailing lists found!

Not an option I have configured in my .muttrc and 63 include files maybe
tomorrow I will get around it.  ;)

I really do feel that there should be a rfc for listservers and their
behavior.  They are a very public part of the internet and sensible
standards that we could all then ignore are a must. ;)

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Re: Old friend gone awry :-)

[Jim Bailey]

On May 27, 08:45, David Baron wrote:
> A few years back, I used to run SETI at home on my Windows machine. This is 
> the first of but a few attempts at distributed computing at its utmost. Never 
> had any problems with it--when I needed the CPU more intensively, I shut down 
> the SETI.
> 
> So, I saw it on SID, also got an email posting from them, so decided to give 
> it a try in Linux. Set and then went to work on a project somewhere else. I 
> left the machine on because I am trying to get SSH to work, so far, unable to 
> connect from outside. When I came home, nothing worked. The system 
> complained, falsely, of no file space. I shut down SETI and all was fine. 
> BTW. This was not an alien installation but from a deb :-)
> 
> Does anyone know how to run this more safely, keeping ET at home?

Renice the process to 19 if it isn't that way already.

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Zope/zwiki install problems

[Jim Bailey]

Hi,

I am trying to configure and run zope and the zwiki module for on a
mixed Debian stable/testing box but the zope httpd doesn't start on the
default port 9673.

I selected the setup as per debconf and a perusal of the docs shows
nothing obviously amiss. the zope log says the system has started but
doesn't show that it is listening on a port, neither does netstat or
nmap and a ps -ef | grep zope shows 2 processes running.

Any ideas for trouble shooting, the zope sites documentation is less
than useful and the zope book there is a nasty peice of work.

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Re: Which Spam Block List to use for a network?

[Jim Bailey]

On Jun 19, 12:29, Jason Lim wrote:
> Certainly avoid ALL country block lists, and block lists that include
> large chunks of IPs. This may include SPEWS and SBL. They are okay in a
> weighting system (such as with Spamassassin) but not good if you're using
> them to block outright (especially Spews and false positives). SBL is
> better than Spews, although less aggressive.
> 
> Better to do the open relays and proxy blocking at the server level, and
> let people block the rest (eg. block all China, block all Asia, block all
> Europe, Spews, etc.) in a client/personal level. That is the best solution
> we have found.
> 
> You can also find a very good list of RBL Spam lists at:
> http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=97
> 
> and it even has warnings and brief descriptions. I find it very useful to
> keep updated on whats new and whats good.

I agree with the warnings listed above, as an aside if you don't do it
already use a MTA with per user access controls such as Postfix2 or
Exim4 that way you can filter most accounts at varying levels of
paranoia while keeping addresses such as postmaster unfiltered as a way
in for any legitimate mail wrongly blocked.

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Re: Debian Update

[Jim Bailey]

On Aug 13, 01:54, Rus Foster wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Victory wrote:
> 
> >Can anyone tell me how to update all the packages and patches ?
> >I installed Debian 3.0r1 and want to update up today patches.
> >
> >Regards
> >Victor,
> >
> >
> 
> apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
> 
> That will do it

If the apt-get update fails for any reason apt-get upgrade won't install
all the latest pacakages.

apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, means upgrade only if the update is
sucessfull.

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Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

[Jim Bailey]

On Aug 14, 10:09, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 10:55:00PM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
> 
> > I just don't understand where you people come from.  I've been
> > installing Linux since SLS (ca '93), and I've never thought Debian's
> > installer was anywhere near as bad as some of you people think it is.
> > 
> > You seem to want something that you say, "Go!", then you go for a beer
> > and come back to a fully installed, correctly configured system.

That would be nice, that way I could get on with something more
productive, shell/perl scripting, reading up on the docs/protocols for a
new application, teaching the juniors a new set of tasks or educating
user on best practice.  Installing a raid enabled server is noddy work,
call me in at the end to harden and tweak it.
> > 
> > Well, you're refugees from vendors who promised that BS and never
> > delivered.  Doesn't that tell you something?  It doesn't happen.
> > Sorry it took you so long to figure that out.

Actually I am a refugee from the building game a chippie by trade, I may
know how to use a hand saw and screwdriver but if I turned up on site
without power tools, I would be told to F' off by the charge hand for
wasting the guvenors time and money.
> 
> Check this list's archives.  I've been using Debian since Slink.  I'm a
> refugee from Windows 3.1 and OS/2 Warp, if I'm a refugee at all.
> 
> While your description is exaggerated, what's wrong with an installer that
> detects the hardware for me, so I don't have to manually set dozens or
> hundreds of things?  You seem to be implying that's bad.  What's wrong with
> an installer that lets me resize NTFS partitions?  What's wrong with an
> installer that fully supports RAID?  

Nothing at all it is ego and 'real men hack sendmail.cf by hand'
syndrome.  I want the best way to do a job, Debian once installed beats
the pants off just about anything else I have ever played with but to
get there with the minimum amount of pain.  I have to use live CDs
Knoppix, Gentoo and then use the Debian debootstrap script it is an ugly
kludge but it works.
> 
> Like I said, some people are too defensive about Debian, thinking that any
> criticism or suggestion for improvement is the equivalent of slapping in the
> face.

Nothing or no one is perfect (it hurt me the first time to admit that) I
deal with it and make the best of a bad job.  Slink, Potato and Woody
sucked to install especially slink since I was very new to Linux and
system administration.  Sarge though I haven't used it is said to be
better, though I will bet it will be Debian 3.2 before it really starts
to rock.

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mirrorservice.org not mirros.ac.uk

[Jim Bailey]

I am not too sure if this is a bug or not but, 

http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-non-US

shows:

ftp://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/
http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ 

Currently this is correct but possibly not for long since this stopped
being supported and funded by JISC on 1st aug 2004.

however according to the The Joint Information Systems Committee the new
mirror is 

http://www.mirrorservice.org

A message from the JISC is here,

http://mirror.ac.uk/about/important/

does any of this make sense to anyone else?

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200GB firewire drives and bios drive size limits

[Jim Bailey]

Hi all,

I am trying to find information on whether large external firewire
drives are effected by the various bios limitations on older hardware.
Google is not turning up much and I would be appreciative of any pointers
to docs and articles people may know about.

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Re: 200GB firewire drives and bios drive size limits

[Jim Bailey]

On Aug 20, 10:46, John Summerfield wrote:
> Alexander Schmehl wrote:
> 
> >Well, I didn't tried it myself, but I guess a machine which is recent
> >enough to support firewire should be modern enough to support large
> >drives.
> > 
> >
> 
> Nothing prevents you from getting a firewire 800 card and puttting it in 
> your old Pentium 60:-)
> 
> I would expect it to work as you bypass all the IDE hardware and BIOS. 
> Check that the

This was where my musings were leading me but I was unsure of the
soundness of my thoughts.

> a) The enclosure supports the size drive you want to use
> b) That the enclosure works with _your_ hardware. I have a USB2 
> enclosure that works easily on boxes I plug it into but not at all when 
> the boss plugs it into anything except his powerbook running OSX.

Venting my spleen at Apple again, I have had similar experiences with
strange Apple hardware incompatabilities with external hardware,
hardrives included.
> 
> Also I've noted that my USB2 laptop drive comes with two cables, one for 
> power. _Mine_ works with just the one, others from the same source and 
> apparently the same require two. However, afaik enclosures for 3.5" 
> drives require external power.
> 
> Oh, if you can go a USB2/firewire enclosure, do. It gives you two 
> chances to have it work, and you can plug it into a USB  port and have 
> it run at arount 900 Kbytes/sec which beats not working at all.

Already looking at USB/Firewire enclosures after chatting with a friend.
This is looking good for a fun project to mess about with old kit and
Debian and extending the usefulness of said kit.

Many thanks :)

Peace Jim
> 
> 
> 
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Re: query about logrotate

[Jim Bailey]

On Aug 20, 09:27, Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote:
> Em Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:10:16 +0200, vivek misra escreveu:
> 
> > hi sir,
> 
>   Not only old men here???
> 
> 
> > acctually I am making a log rotate for log files and ionly want that
> > all data except last six days are removed
> 
>   Check /etc/logrotate.conf
> 
>   BTW I was quite surprise to find out there ain???t a
> debian-user-urdu or -india or whatever.

Not really if you know Indian culture English is the language of
business and of the educated elite in India.  To use English mixed with
Hindi or Hinglish is common in the north and in Bollywood productions.
In the south English is the prefered second language over Hindi for many
Tamils, Kerelans and Kanada speakers.

I miss Gokarna and Malsala Dosa but not Windows 98 cybercafes and piles
of refuse on the beach. ;)

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Multiple users and multiple languages

[Jim Bailey]

Hi people,

I realise this is a FAQ but I don't seem to be able to find it in the
FAQs or Debian docs.

My problem is simple I have to set up a desktop PC which will be used by
a number of non English speakers of several nationalities and languages.

RTFM most appreciated but where?

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