vmware-server with 2.6.24

[Alex Samad]

Hi

I was wondering if any one has got this combo to work with the
vmware-package package. I have it working on 2.6.22

I have done a google, and seen people have got it working with the
vmware installer (and patches)

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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 08:29:21PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 07:34:04PM -0500, Jonathan Jacobs wrote:
> > GNOME and KDE are the ones that I have.  But, is there one out there  
> > that looks like XP.  I am going to install Debian on my mothers computer 
> > and she is running...slowly...XP.  Every other comment out of my mom, 
> > about the computer, is that it is running slowly.  I have already removed 
> > any spyware and whatnot and I have cleaned the reg.  It is about time 
> > that I upgraded her pc to Debian.  Just need a desktop environment that 
> > looks like XP..any suggestions?
> >
> Hi Jonathan,
> I would suggest that you get many different live-cd distros with
> different look and feel:
> ubuntu
> kubuntu
> pclinuxos
> etc.
> And then tell her to try these differnt ones and see which seems easist
> to her. Gnu/Linux does not have somethat that would fool her to think
> its XP, so you can´t pull the switch-o-roo without her noticing. Tell

Would Windows 95 be close? You should still be able to pick up fvwm95 or at 
least
a config and adapt it to the latest fvwm. :-)

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Having problem with recording voice

[Pete Kay]

Hi

I am able to get my debian running, but not to record audio.  I have tried
many different solutions without success.

The error I am getting is :

debian:/tmp# rec hello.wav
Send break (control-c) to end recording
sox: Can't open input file '/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy
debian:/tmp#

My amixer out is like this:

debian:/tmp# amixer
Simple mixer control 'Master',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 64
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 58 [91%]
  Front Right: Playback 58 [91%]
Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 255
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 255 [100%]
  Front Right: Playback 255 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'Capture',0
  Capabilities: cvolume cswitch
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Capture 0 - 31
  Front Left: Capture 31 [100%] [on]
  Front Right: Capture 31 [100%] [on]


Can anyone share with me how this problem can be resolved?

Thanks,
Pete

difficulties configuring PPPoE

[Yu-ning Feng]

Hello,

I am a new Debian user. I used PPPoE during installation process, and it
worked well. However, when I was finally in the new system, I could not
access the Internet at all.

output of ifconfig was like,
eth0 ... 192.168.1.3
lo ...
ppp0 ... 123.116.xxx.xxx

It looked like it got an address from my ISP.

I pinged some named address, whick took a long time before any result was
given. (Therefore I guess DNS is not working)
Then I pinged with an ip address(I used that of Google). I was told
"destination net not reachable".

What was the problem? How to solve it?
Hope someone can help. Thanks.

xenblk and xennet kernel modules

[Luke S Crawford]

So I have a few Debian (4.0) DomUs running;  they work great, except that
I am using a generic (open-source xen generic, that is) kernel rather 
than a debian specific kernel.   I see that there are kernel-xen packages,
however, they appear to be aimed at the Dom0 (they have no xennet
or xenblk modules, which are required for an unprivliged domain-  at
least if you want to read disk or use the network.)   

I am attempting to get pygrub working with a debian DomU, with a stock 
debian-xen kernel.  (I have a similar setup with CentOS DomUs that works
great)   the kernels look ok and boot (but then panic when they can't mount
/ because they don't have the xennet or xenblk modules, which is fine
for the Dom0, but the DomU won't boot unless I compile xenblk into the kernel.

I can compile the xenblk kernel module myself, but that is less convienient
than apt-get upgrade.  

should I find and pester the maintainer of the kernel-xen package and ask them
to add  xennet/xenblk modules into the modules packages for the xen kernels?  
or is there an easier way to do this that I'm missing?  

Thanks.


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Make Error Building Module

[Robert Rawlins]

Hello Guys,

 

I'm getting the following errors when trying to install the HSO modem
drivers for my GPRS/3G dongle, I think its related to my system but can
figure out what's causing it.

 

make -C /lib/modules/2.6.23-486-voyage/build M=/home/driver/hso
MODVERDIR=/home/driver/hso/tmp/.tmp_versions modules

make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.23-486-voyage/build: No such file or directory.
Stop.

make: *** [modules] Error 2

 

Any ideas how to solve this? I've seen a few references around the web which
reference this type of build error to not having the kernel source installed
properly.

 

As you'll note above, I'm using Voyage Linux, which is a flavour of Debian
etch, unfortunately their dedicated list is down at the moment but I'm
pretty sure this is something you'll be able to help with.

 

Cheers,

 

Robert

Re: Having problem with recording voice

[Chris Lale]

Pete Kay wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I am able to get my debian running, but not to record audio.  I have tried
> many different solutions without success.
> 
> The error I am getting is :
> 
> debian:/tmp# rec hello.wav
> Send break (control-c) to end recording
> sox: Can't open input file '/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy
> debian:/tmp#
[...]

Are you using Etch?
Can you *play* audio?
Do any other sound applications work?

Something to try (from the Debian NewbieDOC wiki [1]): check that /dev/dsp 
exists:

# file /dev/dsp

If you get an error, it may be that the snd_pcm_oss kernel module is not loaded.
Load it like this:

# modprobe snd_pcm_oss

[1] http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Sound_in_Debian_GNU/Linux

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Re: Having problem with recording voice

[Florian Kulzer]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 16:20:38 +0800, Pete Kay wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I am able to get my debian running, but not to record audio.  I have tried
> many different solutions without success.
> 
> The error I am getting is :
> 
> debian:/tmp# rec hello.wav
> Send break (control-c) to end recording
> sox: Can't open input file '/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy
> debian:/tmp#

Some process has taken exclusive possession of your audio devices. Run

lsof -w $(find /dev/ -group audio 2>/dev/null)

to find out what is going on.
 
> My amixer out is like this:
> 
> debian:/tmp# amixer
> Simple mixer control 'Master',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 64
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 58 [91%]
>   Front Right: Playback 58 [91%]
> Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
>   Capabilities: pvolume
>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Playback 0 - 255
>   Mono:
>   Front Left: Playback 255 [100%]
>   Front Right: Playback 255 [100%]
> Simple mixer control 'Capture',0
>   Capabilities: cvolume cswitch
>   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Capture 0 - 31
>   Front Left: Capture 31 [100%] [on]
>   Front Right: Capture 31 [100%] [on]

That seems OK to me; it should work.

> Can anyone share with me how this problem can be resolved?

Post the output of the lsof command that I gave above. Depending on
which process is hogging the audio devices, there should be a way to
make it behave better.

If your main goal right now is to test your recording capability then
you could also simply kill the other process as long as you are
testing, or you could try "arecord" (which uses different sound devices
AFAIK).

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Re: Having problem with recording voice

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On 03/17/08 03:20, Pete Kay wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I am able to get my debian running, but not to record audio.  I have
> tried many different solutions without success.
> 
> The error I am getting is :
> 
> debian:/tmp# rec hello.wav
> Send break (control-c) to end recording
> sox: Can't open input file '/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy
> debian:/tmp#

Have you tried:
# lsof | grep \/dev\/dsp

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I want Get Debian Linux 3.0. where is they?

[유희원]

Hello~

I Want to have Debian Linux 3.0.

Where is Debian Linux 3.0?

Please give me location…

Good bye…

 

Re: configuration of a linux router

[NN_il_Confusionario]

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 08:12:44PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 04:38:36PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > # /etc/hosts file
> > 127.0.0.1   peasthope.yi.orgjoule   localhost
>   ^^
> this should be: localhost.localdomain localhost

the archive of the debian mailing lists contain a long discussion about
"localhost" versus "localhost.localdomain"

>From what I remember, the RFCs for the DNS say that "localhost" *is* a
FQDN (the only one without a dot, to the best of my knowledge), and they
do not speak about "localhost.localdomain"

So a line

127.0.0.1   localhost

or

127.0.0.1   localhost   first-alias second-alias

should be correct.

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Re: is there a comprehensive howto on setting up wireless

[Chris Lale]

Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> I have a "Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev
> 02)" wireless card. I am able to access the wireless connection from a
> router (linksys wrt54g) by adding a stanza into /etc/network/interfaces if
> the wireless connection does not use any authentication. However if the
> router is using WPA authentication (using TKIP algorithm) then I am not
> sure howto set it up. There seem to be umpteen number of ways of doing
> this. There seem to be packages that are no longer maintained, packages
> that are deprecated etc., Is there a good comprehensive documentation on
> setting up wireless in Debian using WPA authentication (for all the
> wireless cards and not just for my wireless card)?
> 
> I was looking at http://wiki.debian.org/WPA but it seems pretty incomplete
> to say the least. Any ideas?

Hello Raju.

Its sounds as though you have wireless working without authentication but you
want to add WPA authentication. I think that you need to install the
wpasupplicant package. You can then read the details in file
/usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian. Here is the top of the file in Etch:

"wpasupplicant is now integrated into ifupdown. You can configure it in
/etc/network/interfaces, in a similar method to configuring WEP keys[1].
After that, wpa_supplicant will be controlled by ifupdown without further
user intervention.

"For details about integration into the interfaces file, refer to
/usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz"

/usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz explains how to modify
/etc/network/interfaces.

Hope that helps. It looks straightforward. I have not tested it myself yet, but
it's on my list of things to do.

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Re: I want Get Debian Linux 3.0. where is they?

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On 03/17/08 04:21, 유희원 wrote:
> Hello~
> 
> I Want to have Debian Linux 3.0.

Why?  It's *very* old.

> Where is Debian Linux 3.0?
> 
> Please give me location…
> 
> Good bye…

Good bye.

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Re: I want Get Debian Linux 3.0. where is they?

[didier gaumet]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:21:34 +0900, 유희원 wrote:


http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive


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Re: I want Get Debian Linux 3.0. where is they?

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유희원 wrote:
| Hello~
|
| I Want to have Debian Linux 3.0.
|
| Where is Debian Linux 3.0?
|
| Please give me location…
|
| Good bye…
|
|
|

why you would want it i have n o idea, but here you go.

check the mirrors here

http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/






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Palm TX Handheld and Debian

[Thierry Chatelet]

Hi,
I want to buy a Palm TX. Has anyone experience on running Debian on it?
Thank you
Thierry


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Application to find RGB hex values?

[Anthony Campbell]

I'm looking for a way to identify the RGB hex value of a large image
I've created with Gimp. I thought I might be able to use Gimp itself but
I can't find a way. Much googling produces various Windows programs
(e.g. pixeur) but I can't find anything for Linux, though I'm sure there
must be a simple way. Ideas?

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Re: Problems with network printers. Additional explanations ...

[luisben]

Hi Ron. What do you think about to change the print processor who actually is
HPPRN05 and put in a WinPrint. Do I have to save any system information
before? is there any danger to change the  printer processor of a TCP/IP
network printer connected with another one to the same HPJetDirect?. Thanks



Ron Johnson wrote:
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>> and
>> by activating a radio button about Printing Directly in The Printer and
>> without using windows print queues (At respect of
> [snip]
>> nearly ever in computers with w2k3. I setup print drivers in a PC client
>> without succes. What happen? Any Idea to explain the situation and find
>> any
>> solution to my print problems? Thanks
> 
> You're being so comprehensive that I wish I could help you, just as
> a way of reinforcing that others should ask questions like you!
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Re: Application to find RGB hex values?

[Raj Kiran Grandhi]

Anthony Campbell wrote:

I'm looking for a way to identify the RGB hex value of a large image
I've created with Gimp. I thought I might be able to use Gimp itself but
I can't find a way. Much googling produces various Windows programs
(e.g. pixeur) but I can't find anything for Linux, though I'm sure there
must be a simple way. Ideas?

Anthony


Why don't you simply use gimp itself? The color picker tool with info 
window (press shift and drag) should work.


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Re: difficulties configuring PPPoE

[Raj Kiran Grandhi]

Yu-ning Feng wrote:

Hello,

I am a new Debian user. I used PPPoE during installation process, and it 
worked well. However, when I was finally in the new system, I could not 
access the Internet at all.


output of ifconfig was like,
eth0 ... 192.168.1.3 
lo ...
ppp0 ... 123.116.xxx.xxx



Please provide the complete output of ifconfig, and 'route -n'
Also check your /etc/resolv.conf file for the nameserver addresses.


It looked like it got an address from my ISP.

I pinged some named address, whick took a long time before any result 
was given. (Therefore I guess DNS is not working)
Then I pinged with an ip address(I used that of Google). I was told 
"destination net not reachable".


Try pinging an ip address instead of a name. You may try 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2



What was the problem? How to solve it?
Hope someone can help. Thanks.



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Re: Problems with network printers. Additional explanations ...

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/17/08 07:21, luisben wrote:
> Hi Ron. What do you think about to change the print processor who actually is
> HPPRN05 and put in a WinPrint. Do I have to save any system information
> before? is there any danger to change the  printer processor of a TCP/IP
> network printer connected with another one to the same HPJetDirect?. Thanks

That's beyond my level of expertise.

> 
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 03/10/08 03:45, luisben wrote:
 ...I try to solved this Problem going to the Printer Advanced Properties
 and
 by activating a radio button about Printing Directly in The Printer and
 without using windows print queues (At respect of
> [snip]
 nearly ever in computers with w2k3. I setup print drivers in a PC client
 without succes. What happen? Any Idea to explain the situation and find
 any
 solution to my print problems? Thanks
> You're being so comprehensive that I wish I could help you, just as
> a way of reinforcing that others should ask questions like you!

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Re: Make Error Building Module

[Raj Kiran Grandhi]

Robert Rawlins wrote:

Hello Guys,

 

I’m getting the following errors when trying to install the HSO modem 
drivers for my GPRS/3G dongle, I think its related to my system but can 
figure out what’s causing it.


 

make -C /lib/modules/2.6.23-486-voyage/build M=/home/driver/hso 
MODVERDIR=/home/driver/hso/tmp/.tmp_versions modules


make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.23-486-voyage/build: No such file or 
directory.  Stop.


make: *** [modules] Error 2

 

Any ideas how to solve this? I’ve seen a few references around the web 
which reference this type of build error to not having the kernel source 
installed properly.




Did you install the linux-headers package for the kernel version you are 
trying to compile? You may also want to install the package dpkg-dev if 
you intend to produce a .deb file.


 

As you’ll note above, I’m using Voyage Linux, which is a flavour of 
Debian etch, unfortunately their dedicated list is down at the moment 
but I’m pretty sure this is something you’ll be able to help with.


 


Cheers,

 


Robert




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Re: Application to find RGB hex values?

[Anthony Campbell]

On 17 Mar 2008, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> Anthony Campbell wrote:
>> I'm looking for a way to identify the RGB hex value of a large image
>> I've created with Gimp. I thought I might be able to use Gimp itself but
>> I can't find a way. Much googling produces various Windows programs
>> (e.g. pixeur) but I can't find anything for Linux, though I'm sure there
>> must be a simple way. Ideas?
>>
>> Anthony
>
> Why don't you simply use gimp itself? The color picker tool with info  
> window (press shift and drag) should work.
>

Yes, thanks -- I hadn't noticed that tool. Still at an early stage of my
struggle with Gimp, especially getting it to work with the layer I want
it to.

Anthony


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Ssh connection hangs. Ignored ACK packet?

[Bernardo Dal Seno]

I have intermittent problems in transferring files between two
machines via scp. Symptomps are: when transferring a large file from
the server to the client, scp transfers a few Kbytes and then says
"stalled".

After a while I was having this problem, I tried to investigate it,
and captured the TCP packets on both machines.  Here you can find a
sample of a hanging connection (dump taken from the server side):
http://home.dei.polimi.it/dalseno/dumpssh-broken .

>From what I recall of TCP, it seems a puzzling behavior to me.  After
the first packets are transmitted without any problem, a packet from
the server doesn't get through (the bandwidth limit of the client DSL
connection has been hit?), and the client sends ACKs requesting a
retransmission (packets 145--162 in the dump).  After the server
retransmits the lost packet (163), the client asks for the
retransmission of another, more recent packet (164), but the server
keeps retransmitting the first lost packet, as if subsequent ACKs were
ignored.  But the dump has been taken on the server, so the ACKs have
definetely been received, and the first rule of iptable INPUT table is
  -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT

The same connection on the client side:
http://home.dei.polimi.it/dalseno/dumpssh-broken-client . (Please
notice that the client is NATted)


What is possibly going wrong?

Searching with Google didn't help me.  I've found only very old posts
(more than 2-3 years ago) or problems with MTU discovery.  Any help is
appreciated, as I don't know how to handle this.


Additional information.

The server is a desktop AMD Sempron running an Ssh server, with a
public IP, behind a firewall; the client is an AMD Duron connected to
a DSL line and is double NATted (NAT is used by my ISP, and I have a
NATting firewall between my local lan and a non-NATting DSL router).
Both machines run Debian Sid; I tried to update the kernel (which
contains the TCP/IP stack) and also use the Debian stock kernel image
(2.6.24-4) and build the latest 2.6.24.3 from kernel.org.

Some software versions:
 server: ssh 1:4.7p1-4, libc6 2.7-6, kernel: linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 (2.6.24-4)
 client: ssh 1:4.7p1-4, libc6 2.7-8, kernel: custom-built,
linux-source-2.6.23: 2.6.23-2
Server network interface:
 eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xd000, 00:05:5d:4c:66:0d, IRQ 18
 eth0:  Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D'
Client network interface:
 eth0: VIA Rhine II at 0x19000, 00:0e:a6:1d:45:ca, IRQ 18.
 eth0: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x786d advertising 01e1 Link 45e1.

I used the command
 tcpdump -c 10 -s 0 -p -w  tcp port 22 or icmp
to capture packets, and then I used Wireshark to select the packets
belonging to one connection.  No Icmp packets had been captured.


Best regards,
Bernardo


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Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 05:50:47PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sunday 16 March 2008 12:20:36 pm Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:48:13PM -0500, Jonathan Jacobs wrote:
> > > I will also tell her that I will install Debian and migrate her email
> > > and word documents over for her.
> >
> > Enjoy teaching her LaTex while she's at it.  May as well get her away
> > from "word" into a real system.
> 
> The sarcasm and negativity is unwarranted for what is ultimately a relatively 
> minor change in UI for the audience's prospective.

I was being neither sarcastic nor negative.  If the user doesn't need to
interoperate with other Word users, there's no need to stick with OO
just to write letters and notes.  Plain text in a text editor (pick one,
any one) for the odd note and LaTex for typeset documents.  A LaTex
template with lots of comments e.g. "place address here, end lines with
"\\"" is very straightforward to use and produces nice looking letters.

Doug.


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Re: Icedove shuts down after send

[Mumia W..]

On 03/16/2008 06:32 PM, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote the following on 03/16/2008 05:17 PM:
[...]

God is telling [you] to move off Stable.


Probably! How do I do that? Where is the Migration Guide??

Thanks!
Dennis




There is no need to move off Stable. You can install a previous version 
of Icedove from http://snapshot.debian.net/package/icedove . For 
example, version 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.14b.dfsg1-0etch1 may be what you're 
looking for.


I also have 1.5.0.12.dfsg1-0etch1 (i386) in my /var/apt/archives if you 
want it.



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Re: Ssh connection hangs. Ignored ACK packet?

[Ken Irving]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 02:49:21PM +0100, Bernardo Dal Seno wrote:
> I have intermittent problems in transferring files between two
> machines via scp. Symptomps are: when transferring a large file from
> the server to the client, scp transfers a few Kbytes and then says
> "stalled".
> 
> ...
> What is possibly going wrong?
> 
> Searching with Google didn't help me.  I've found only very old posts
> (more than 2-3 years ago) or problems with MTU discovery.  Any help is
> appreciated, as I don't know how to handle this.
> 
> ...
> Additional information.
> 
> The server is a desktop AMD Sempron running an Ssh server, with a
> public IP, behind a firewall; the client is an AMD Duron connected to
> a DSL line and is double NATted (NAT is used by my ISP, and I have a
> NATting firewall between my local lan and a non-NATting DSL router).
> ...

MTU is my standard WAG for this kind of thing, having had problems in
the distant past.  interfaces(5) should show how to set the MTU for
the interface; on my local box behind a DSL line I have:

  auto eth0
  iface eth0 inet static
  address 192.168.1.5
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  network 192.168.1.0
  gateway 192.168.1.1
  broadcast 192.168.1.255
  mtu 1452

ifconfig(8) should show the MTU value, and maybe can be used to set it.
I was able to set the MTU using ip(8), so it should be pretty easy to 
test, e.g.:

  $ sudo ip link set eth0 mtu 1452

Ken

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Damon L. Chesser]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

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Interesting. This reminds me of some article I read somewhere regarding 
the perception that people tend to take things that are free as in beer 
(linux, for instance) to mean that they are not worth anything.


The author proposes that instead of telling people that linux is free 
(and hence worthless) it would probably be a better idea to quote the 
price of paid support of, say, Ubuntu desktop @ $250 per year, and then 
tell them that since he happens to be a 'licensed distributor' for it, 
he could manage to get them a couple of licenses for free.


This, he says, has the benefit of making those people think that they 
are getting a product worth a lot for free because they happen to know 
someone who is an 'insider'.



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etch: cannot mount usb hd

[Jörg Becker]

Hello everyone,

I cannot mount an usb hd when it was connected while switching on my machine. 
The message is the famous "already mounted or busy". I found many things in 
google, but nothing matches my problem.

symptoms:
- device is detected on startup (currently /dev/sdc with 3 partitions sdc1-3)
- mount -> usb hd not in list, so not mounted yet
- lsofs  -> empty for both the device (/dev/sdc2) and the mount point
- tried different mount points (no shell / file manager blocks the mount point
- sudo mount -a / open disk in konqueror-> "already mounted or busy"

After restarting the usb hd I can mount its partitions without any problems. 
This is true for both mounting via fstab entry (my backup partition should be 
auto mounted on startup without any desktop support) and the user partition 
which is auto mounted by kde.


Tanks for any help

Jörg

Re: exim: too many connections?

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2008-03-13, Paul Johnson penned:
>
> Are you already using greylisting?  If not, the easiest way to set
> this up is to install the greylistd package and follow the easy
> instructions in /usr/share/doc/greylistd.  The whole process
> should take download time+5

*dropping in after a long absence*

Please note, if you have a customized exim4.conf setup, you may have
to hand hack the rules to get them to work without complaint.

I did this recently, and I'm thrilled with the results.

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Re: Palm TX Handheld and Debian

[Mumia W..]

On 03/17/2008 06:55 AM, Thierry Chatelet wrote:

Hi,
I want to buy a Palm TX. Has anyone experience on running Debian on it?
Thank you
Thierry




Yes, I have been able to backup my Palm TX PDA with kpilot (for Sarge) a 
couple of times, but kpilot is not very good software. Most of the time, 
it can't get a connection to the handheld, and kpilot crashes when it 
backs up some databases.


In addition, my attempt to restore by PDA from the backup on the PC 
failed miserably with kpilot entering an infinite loop and failing to do 
anything.


You might have better success with gnome-pilot, but I haven't tried that 
one. I'm strongly tempted to end my boycott of Microsoft and just buy 
Windows XP before June--just so I can hotsync like a normal person. :-(


Incidentally, I recently upgraded to Etch, and kpilot still has problems 
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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Bogdan Marian]

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Hi,

I think it is so because they offer support! Not certain though.

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Re: KPager

[Mumia W..]

On 03/17/2008 12:49 AM, Ty Tower wrote:

 have a start up script and I want to start email on page 1 and
  browser on 
 page 2
 
 #!

 sleep 5s
 Desktop 1
 kmail
 Desktop 2
 firefox
 
 
 If I am on page 4 when sleep ends it kicks off kmail on page 1 and
  firefox on 
 page  4.
 
 Can I change this?
   


Yes, install wmctrl. It allows you to automate desktop switching and the 
placing of applications on desktops. For example, you might do something 
like this:


#!/bin/sh
kmail &
firefox &
sleep 5s
wmctrl -r kmail -t 0
wmctrl -r firefox -t 1

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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 03:20:36PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:48:13PM -0500, Jonathan Jacobs wrote:
> > I will also tell her that I will install Debian and migrate her email
> > and word documents over for her.
> 
> Enjoy teaching her LaTex while she's at it.  May as well get her away
> from "word" into a real system.

this is not necessarily as inappropriate as others have
suggested. *My* mother (wild generalizations based on one anecdotal
case follows...) would likely greatly appreciate a CLI based
editor. All totalled, she has probably processed 10x more words in WP
5.1 or so than in all the gui editors combined. Its highly likely that
an older person may be more comfortable in that environment just from
past experience. I should probably talk to her about that and see if
she wants to move "back" to something like that...

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Re: List of allowed rcpt hosts

[Haines Brown]

"Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 03:27:17PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
>> I'm setting up exim on a system and find that mutt can receive mail, but
>> not send it. 
>  
>> The exim configuration is the same on my desktop (debian etch having the
>> address 192.168.1.2) and the sidux laptop (having the address
>> 192.168.1.3) with one exception. That is, on my desktop I now see that I
>> gave my system mailname as "teufel.hartford-hwp.com", and I should have
>> provided just the domain, "hartford-hwp.com. This error is probably why 
>> I have to correct my From: address in order to have this message go
>> out. But otherwise, the exim configuration is identical on both my
>> functioning system and the laptop I'm setting up.
>> 
>> Is my problem the hookup of the two machines on the router, with the
>> addresses I've used, or is it an exim configuration issue?
>
> I'd guess that the problem is that you don't have exim setup properly
> for address rewriting.  See /etc/email-addresses.  

> for a normal
> home ISP you have e.g.
> dtutty:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> So that exim rewrite mail from local user dtutty to from
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks, Doug, but didn't work. In /etc/email-addresses I have:

  brownh: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

and tried (following the directions literally):

  user: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

No go. 

In exim4 configuration, where I list recipient domains for which the
machine is final recipient, I put "hartford-hwp.com" in rather than
include the hostname "langhans.hartford-hwp.com".

In the section of the configuration that asks local mailname in outgoing
mail, I have a visible domain name as: "hartford-hwp.com".

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 17 March 2008 07:29:17 am Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031602168.html

Looks like the article is about Elliot Spitzer.


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Re: apt.conf doesn't have effect anymore

[Dvorzhetsky]

On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:07:52 +0200, "Andrei Popescu"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 03:59:04PM +0100, Dvorzhetsky wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I'm mainly using lenny, but I have as well sid and experimental
> > repositories in my sources.list. To give priority to lenny I use
> > apt.conf file. 
> > 
> > Every thing was fine until I decided to had a third party repository for
> > lenny. Unlike debian repositories, the version of debian is in the path,
> > it doesn't appear as an argument. I was concern that my apt.conf would
> > not work properly so I commented experimental and sid repos and renamed
> > apt.conf to apt.conf.bak. I installed what I wanted and stayed with an
> > exclusively lenny sources.list for a while. It was fine.
> > 
> > Now I don't use the third party repos anymore, I removed it from my
> > sources.list uncommented sid and experimental repos and got back my
> > apt.conf But even after apt-get update the other repos do not seams to
> > be taken in account by apt. apt-cache policy xxx only give me the lenny
> > version.
> > 
> > I can't remember to have run in any error during these apt process.
> > 
> > Anyone knows how to get back things as normal?
> 
> I you want to get help with this it would be wise to include your 
> sources.list, apt.conf and output of 'apt-cache policy'.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei
> -- 
> If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
> (Albert Einstein)

You are so right!

#apt-cache policy
Package files:
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 release a=now
 500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org experimental/main
 Translation-en_US
 500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org experimental/main Packages
 release o=Unofficial Multimedia
 Packages,a=experimental,l=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,c=main
 origin www.debian-multimedia.org
   1 http://ftp.fr.debian.org experimental/non-free Packages
 release o=Debian,a=experimental,l=Debian,c=non-free
 origin ftp.fr.debian.org
   1 http://ftp.fr.debian.org experimental/contrib Packages
 release o=Debian,a=experimental,l=Debian,c=contrib
 origin ftp.fr.debian.org
   1 http://ftp.fr.debian.org experimental/main Packages
 release o=Debian,a=experimental,l=Debian,c=main
 origin ftp.fr.debian.org
 500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Translation-en_US
 500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages
 release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=unstable,l=Unofficial
 Multimedia Packages,c=main
 origin www.debian-multimedia.org
 990 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/non-free Packages
 release v=None,o=Debian,a=testing,l=Debian-Security,c=non-free
 origin security.debian.org
 990 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/contrib Packages
 release v=None,o=Debian,a=testing,l=Debian-Security,c=contrib
 origin security.debian.org
 990 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages
 release v=None,o=Debian,a=testing,l=Debian-Security,c=main
 origin security.debian.org
 500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing/main Translation-en_US
 990 http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing/main Packages
 release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=testing,l=Unofficial
 Multimedia Packages,c=main
 origin www.debian-multimedia.org
 990 http://ftp.fr.debian.org testing/non-free Packages
 release o=Debian,a=testing,l=Debian,c=non-free
 origin ftp.fr.debian.org
 990 http://ftp.fr.debian.org testing/contrib Packages
 release o=Debian,a=testing,l=Debian,c=contrib
 origin ftp.fr.debian.org
 990 http://ftp.fr.debian.org testing/main Packages
 release o=Debian,a=testing,l=Debian,c=main
 origin ftp.fr.debian.org
Pinned packages:
*===*


apt.conf:
*===*
APT::Default-Release "testing";
*===*


sources.list:
*===*
## etch 
#deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
# debian-marillat
#deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main
#deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main
# security
#deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib
non-free

## lenny 
deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
# debian-marillat 
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
# security
deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib
non-free
# shame (Uunstable lenny)
#deb
http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./
# avant-window-navigator
#deb http://www.arearelax.org/awn/ ./

## sid
#deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable ma

Re: Ssh connection hangs. Ignored ACK packet?

[Bernardo Dal Seno]

On 17/03/2008, Ken Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  MTU is my standard WAG for this kind of thing, having had problems in
>  the distant past.

I don't understand how MTU could be the culprit, as my problem seems
to be that a packet is not resent, and not that a packet doesn't
arrive.  Anyway, as I'm not 100% sure of having interpreted the TCP
dump correctly, I tried to lower the MTU to 1400 on both machines.  No
improvement. :-(

Bernardo


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Re: Palm TX Handheld and Debian

[Andrew Reid]

On Monday 17 March 2008 07:55, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> Hi,
> I want to buy a Palm TX. Has anyone experience on running Debian on it?
> Thank you

  I have one of these, and I successfully back it up on a Debian
"etch" system.  I was never able to get the USB syncing to work
properly, but I'm able to do it over the wireless with 
pilot-xfer using the "net:any" address.

  However, I have never actually run Debian *on* my Palm TX, which 
is what your question sounds like it might mean.

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Re: List of allowed rcpt hosts

[Haines Brown]

Sorry to follow up on myself, but I found a rather strange exim log
entry when sending a message to a bogus address:

  2008-03-17 18:29:50 1JbNq2-000248-V1 
<= [EMAIL PROTECTED]
U=brownh
P=local
S=530
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  2008-03-17 18:29:51 
** [EMAIL PROTECTED]
R=smarthost
T=remove_smtp_smarthost: SMTP error from remote mail server
after RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host mymail.myregisteredsite.com 
[209.237.134.152]: 553 sorry. that domain isn't in my list of
allowed rcpthosts (*5.7.1) 
  2008-03-17 18:29:51 1JbNq3-000243-65 
<= <> 
R=1JbNq300024B
U=Debian-exim
P=local
S=1542
  2008-03-17 18:29:51 1JbNq2-000248-V1 Completed
  ...

Except for first stanza, too many oddities to belabor here. But one
thing I need to emphasize: no evidence of procmail involvement. I assume
I should have seen a stanza something like this:

  2008-03-17 18:50:11 1JbO9j-0006L9-KO 
=> brownh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
R=procmail 
T=procmail_pipe


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Re: etch: cannot mount usb hd

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/17/08 12:04, Jörg Becker wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I cannot mount an usb hd when it was connected while switching on my machine. 
> The message is the famous "already mounted or busy". I found many things in 
> google, but nothing matches my problem.
> 
> symptoms:
> - device is detected on startup (currently /dev/sdc with 3 partitions sdc1-3)
> - mount -> usb hd not in list, so not mounted yet
> - lsofs  -> empty for both the device (/dev/sdc2) and the mount point
> - tried different mount points (no shell / file manager blocks the mount point
> - sudo mount -a / open disk in konqueror-> "already mounted or busy"
> 
> After restarting the usb hd I can mount its partitions without any problems. 
> This is true for both mounting via fstab entry (my backup partition should be 
> auto mounted on startup without any desktop support) and the user partition 
> which is auto mounted by kde.

Maybe it's still spinning up during the first power-up attempt?  If
so, and it gets external power, maybe turn it on first?

If power-thru-USB, maybe set it to noauto mount, and put the mount
command in /etc/rc.local.

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Re: etch: cannot mount usb hd

[Bernardo Dal Seno]

On 17/03/2008, Jörg Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I cannot mount an usb hd when it was connected while switching on my machine.
>  The message is the famous "already mounted or busy". I found many things in
>  google, but nothing matches my problem.
>
>  symptoms:
>  - device is detected on startup (currently /dev/sdc with 3 partitions sdc1-3)
>  - mount -> usb hd not in list, so not mounted yet

Does "cat /proc/mount" produce the same result?

Do you see any entry that you cannot identify as a disk you know
(beside the usual proc, sysfs...)? Maybe there is a node in /dev
referring to sdc with another name.

>  - lsofs  -> empty for both the device (/dev/sdc2) and the mount point
>  - tried different mount points (no shell / file manager blocks the mount 
> point
>  - sudo mount -a / open disk in konqueror-> "already mounted or busy"

Can you read the disk? E.g. (probably to be done as root)
  dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/null count=10
  dd if=/dev/sdc2 of=/dev/null count=10

Can you mount it read-only (-o ro)?


Bernardo

Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/17/08 12:00, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031602168.html
>>
> 
> Interesting. This reminds me of some article I read somewhere regarding
> the perception that people tend to take things that are free as in beer
> (linux, for instance) to mean that they are not worth anything.
> 
> The author proposes that instead of telling people that linux is free
> (and hence worthless) it would probably be a better idea to quote the
> price of paid support of, say, Ubuntu desktop @ $250 per year, and then
> tell them that since he happens to be a 'licensed distributor' for it,
> he could manage to get them a couple of licenses for free.
> 
> This, he says, has the benefit of making those people think that they
> are getting a product worth a lot for free because they happen to know
> someone who is an 'insider'.

Now that's interesting and clever...

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libgconf2 dependencies..

[Rich Healey]

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I can't upgrade a lot of packages (perl for one) because apt says that:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  libgconf2-4: Depends: gconf2-common (>= 2.22) but it is not going to
be installed
   Depends: gconf2-common (< 2.23) but it is not going to be
installed
E: Broken packages
[xenia:/home/richo]#

BUT

[xenia:/home/richo]# dpkg -l *gconf*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad)
||/ Name   VersionDescription
+++-==-==-
ii  gconf2 2.22.0-1   GNOME configuration database system
(support
ii  gconf2-common  2.22.0-1   GNOME configuration database system
(common
ii  libgconf2-42.22.0-1   GNOME configuration database system
(shared
[xenia:/home/richo]#

Any ideas?

so you know,
[xenia:/home/richo]# apt-cache policy libgconf2-4
libgconf2-4:
  Installed: 2.22.0-1
  Candidate: 2.22.0-1
  Version table:
 *** 2.22.0-1 0
499 http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 2.20.1-3 0
500 http://ftp.iinet.net.au lenny/main Packages
[xenia:/home/richo]#

Regards


Rich Healey
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Errors installing dansguardian

[Dennis G. Wicks]

Greetings;

I am trying to install dansguardian and it won't go. I 
have tried renaming and removing file & directories to 
no avail. I always get these errors from aptitude install.



Setting up dansguardian (2.8.0.6-antivirus-6.4.4.1-2) ...
grep: /etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf: No such file or directory
Starting DansGuardian: dansguardianError opening 
/etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf
 failed!
invoke-rc.d: initscript dansguardian, action "start" failed.
dpkg: error processing dansguardian (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 dansguardian
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
Setting up dansguardian (2.8.0.6-antivirus-6.4.4.1-2) ...
grep: /etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf: No such file or directory
Starting DansGuardian: dansguardianError opening 
/etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf
 failed!
invoke-rc.d: initscript dansguardian, action "start" failed.
dpkg: error processing dansguardian (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 dansguardian


Any body have a workaround or alternate install procedure?

TIA
Dennis


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Re: Palm TX Handheld and Debian

[Celejar]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:13:47 -0500
"Mumia W.." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, I have been able to backup my Palm TX PDA with kpilot (for Sarge) a 
> couple of times, but kpilot is not very good software. Most of the time, 
> it can't get a connection to the handheld, and kpilot crashes when it 
> backs up some databases.
> 
> In addition, my attempt to restore by PDA from the backup on the PC 
> failed miserably with kpilot entering an infinite loop and failing to do 
> anything.
> 
> You might have better success with gnome-pilot, but I haven't tried that 
> one. I'm strongly tempted to end my boycott of Microsoft and just buy 
> Windows XP before June--just so I can hotsync like a normal person. :-(

Have you tried jpilot?  I've used it successfully (with Sid), although
not extensively, with a Palm Centro.

> Incidentally, I recently upgraded to Etch, and kpilot still has problems 
> recognizing a connection.

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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

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On 03/17/08 12:38, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 03:20:36PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:48:13PM -0500, Jonathan Jacobs wrote:
>>> I will also tell her that I will install Debian and migrate her email
>>> and word documents over for her.
>> Enjoy teaching her LaTex while she's at it.  May as well get her away
>> from "word" into a real system.
> 
> this is not necessarily as inappropriate as others have
> suggested. *My* mother (wild generalizations based on one anecdotal
> case follows...) would likely greatly appreciate a CLI based
> editor. All totalled, she has probably processed 10x more words in WP
> 5.1 or so than in all the gui editors combined. Its highly likely that
> an older person may be more comfortable in that environment just from
> past experience. I should probably talk to her about that and see if
> she wants to move "back" to something like that...

e3 and joe emulate WordStar, if she's *really* old-school.

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

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On 03/17/08 15:17, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Monday 17 March 2008 07:29:17 am Ron Johnson wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031602168.html
> 
> Looks like the article is about Elliot Spitzer.

People who read debian-user are presumed to be able to look for
patterns and similarities, and generalize from there, while always
noting where said generalizations don't match specifics.

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Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

[joseph lockhart]

take it as you will, but I think that it would be
useful to group the terminal and lightweight apps
together, just seems a waste to download (25 for etch)
disks to install onto a low powered computer, when
everything together would all fit on one disk (that is
base system and all terminal apps that I wanted). It
would seem that grouping these together and labeling
them would save many people a great deal of hassel.

along the same note, grouping programs by function may
also help relieve some of the burden, as well as a
functiont that allows searching packages to see what
is on each disk before downloading it.

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Paul Johnson wrote:

> On Monday 17 March 2008 07:29:17 am Ron Johnson wrote:
>> 
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031602168.html
> 
> Looks like the article is about Elliot Spitzer.
> 
> 

Same here. I do not know how it is related to Red Hat.

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

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Er, Ron?  Wrong C&P?  This links to an article about Spitzer.


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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Jeff D]

Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:

Paul Johnson wrote:


On Monday 17 March 2008 07:29:17 am Ron Johnson wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031602168.html

Looks like the article is about Elliot Spitzer.




Same here. I do not know how it is related to Red Hat.

raju


um, look at the graph at top ;)

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Re: Idea of a Debian Mascot [Was: FW: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections]

[Bogart Salzberg]

On Mar 9, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:


On Wednesday 27 February 2008 06:06:37 pm Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 09:41:24PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:

- Forwarded message from Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

  I also would like to spend some Debian money on a contest,  
similar to
the FreeBSD logo contest [2], to create a friendly mascot for the  
Debian
project (in a similar way to the Linux penguin or the GNU gnu)  
that we

can use where the logo is not enough. More on this in a few days.


The Debian Swirl reminds me of some kind of worm or shellfish.

The Debian HookWorm?
The Debian RingWorm?  Digs into your Sole (Soul)?  Lord of the  
RingWorm?

The Debian Tapeworm?  Makes you hungry for more!

The Debian Krill?  (Eaten by Puffy?)


If it's a bear, I'd be happy to provide the live mascot for  
conventions if

someone picks up travel costs!



I would like to see a bear logo. Not a care bear, but something like a  
grizzly bear. I think the temperament of the grizzly suits Debian: it  
rules the world for a few months and then goes into hibernation. (I'm  
suggesting this is a good thing). It doesn't need to eat half its body  
weight every day, like a bird. i.e.: It doesn't lust after the latest  
and greatest "features" or obsess about its plumage.


So in the grizzly bear you have a creature that is soft and furry but  
can also rip your head off.


Bogart


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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

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> 
> Er, Ron?  Wrong C&P?  This links to an article about Spitzer.

No.  It's about the Price-placebo effect.

Am I the only one on this list who can see that people who think
that expensive wines and energy drinks are "better" than cheap wines
and energy drinks just might also think that expensive operating
systems are better than cheap operating systems?

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Re: cron and command quote

[T o n g]

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:48:19 +0100, NN_il_Confusionario wrote:

>> >> * * * * * rootps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao
>> >> *write|growisofs.*speed=' > /dev/null || logger get executed.
>> >> PS. I'm sure the PATH is setup properly in my cron, so cron can find ps
>> >> & grep.
> 
> You could, for debugging pourposes:
> * look at mails that cron sends if a commnd give any output;
> * replace temporarilly the command with
>   set -x;echo $PATH;which ps;which grep;which find;which logger;ps -eaf | 
> grep -E ...
> * replace the command with a shell script which executes the command in a 
> shell
>   with set -x and/or other shell debugging options; for example also
>   temporarilly drop redirection to /dev/null

Thanks a lot. With your suggestion, I found the reason -- it is as people
(e.g. Raj) have suspected, it's problem of cron and quotes. 

Here is the execute log:

 Mar 17 17:28:01 cxmr /USR/SBIN/CRON[26757]: (root) CMD (set -x;which ps;which 
grep;ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed=' 
|| logger get executed.)

The mail that I got says:

 + which ps
 /bin/ps
 + which grep
 /bin/grep
 + ps -eaf
 + grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed='
 root 26757 26756  0 17:28 ?00:00:00 /bin/sh -c set -x;which 
ps;which grep;ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao 
*write|growisofs.*speed=' || logger get executed.
 root 26761 26757  0 17:28 ?00:00:00 grep -E cdrecord.* -[dts]ao 
|cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed=

I.e., somehow, the 'ps | grep' was able to find something in cron, whereas
when executed directly under shell:

 $ ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed='

 $ /bin/sh -c "ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao 
*write|growisofs.*speed='"

I.e., if the same command are executed directly under shell the 
'ps | grep' finds nothing. 

Anyone can give some explanation?

Thanks

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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Klein Moebius]

* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-17 19:05:30 -0500]:

 
> e3 and joe emulate WordStar, if she's *really* old-school.
> 
*MY* mother was ever so glad to see BOTH Wordstar and WordPerfect
go.  And she bakes better cookies than yours does.

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[T o n g]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:29:17 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031602168.html


Sorry to be the one who breaks the embarrassing news to you but the above
url led me to something related to *sex scandal*, from which I failed to
comprehend Why Red Hat is the "business" distro.


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Re: vmware-server with 2.6.24

[Alexander Samad]

To answer my own question.
I eventually got it to work.

I need the vmware-any-any packages version 115a.

so make deb out of the vmware tgz (server and mui) (i tried 1.0.5 as  
it was out)

make deb's out of the vmware-any-any.

install the vmware any any
make the any-any kernel modules, install the any-any modules and the  
vmware server package.


then I had to add in /etc/modules.d/alex
options vmmon vmversion=15


the last bit is what got it all working, other wise it was complaining  
about a mismatch in version numbers.


Alex
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Hi

I was wondering if any one has got this combo to work with the
vmware-package package. I have it working on 2.6.22

I have done a google, and seen people have got it working with the
vmware installer (and patches)

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Alexander Samad]

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031602168.html



Er, Ron?  Wrong C&P?  This links to an article about Spitzer.


No.  It's about the Price-placebo effect.

Am I the only one on this list who can see that people who think
that expensive wines and energy drinks are "better" than cheap wines
and energy drinks just might also think that expensive operating
systems are better than cheap operating systems?


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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Michael Marsh]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Am I the only one on this list who can see that people who think
>  that expensive wines and energy drinks are "better" than cheap wines
>  and energy drinks just might also think that expensive operating
>  systems are better than cheap operating systems?

No, some of us got it.  We just didn't feel the need to reply.

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Re: Palm TX Handheld and Debian

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Monday 17 March 2008 23:51, Andrew Reid wrote:
> On Monday 17 March 2008 07:55, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
>
>   However, I have never actually run Debian *on* my Palm TX, which
> is what your question sounds like it might mean.
>
>   -- A.
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Yes, I would like to run etch on my palm. I read a bit more and saw it may  
work!! I will see. If not I will stick to Palm OS. But if any handheld 
apparatus works with Linux (debian preferably) I will get it, but I must be 
sure of the result ( It's for business use). Otherwise I may do with a 
laptop, an external GPS.
Thanks to all of you
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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Monday 17 March 2008 22:57, T o n g wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:29:17 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031
> >602168.html
>
> Sorry to be the one who breaks the embarrassing news to you but the above
> url led me to something related to *sex scandal*, from which I failed to
> comprehend Why Red Hat is the "business" distro.
>
>
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Same for me!
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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

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> Quoting Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>> On 03/17/08 14:57, Steve Lamb wrote:
>>> On Mon, March 17, 2008 7:29 am, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>>
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031602168.html

>>>
>>>
>>> Er, Ron?  Wrong C&P?  This links to an article about Spitzer.
> 
>> No.  It's about the Price-placebo effect.
>> 
>> Am I the only one on this list who can see that people who think
>> that expensive wines and energy drinks are "better" than cheap wines
>> and energy drinks just might also think that expensive operating
>> systems are better than cheap operating systems?
> 
> beauty^h^h^h^h^h Value is in the eye of the beholder

Except when that $90 bottle of wine is really vinegar, but wine
snobs insist that it's delicious.

Or that Windows is s much better than Linux, because Linux is cheap.

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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Ron Johnson]

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> * Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-03-17 19:05:30 -0500]:
> 
>  
>> e3 and joe emulate WordStar, if she's *really* old-school.
>>
> *MY* mother was ever so glad to see BOTH Wordstar and WordPerfect
> go.  And she bakes better cookies than yours does.

But probably not better than my wife.

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Owen Townend]

>
>
> On 03/17/08 14:57, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > On Mon, March 17, 2008 7:29 am, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> >>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031602168.html
> >
> >
> > Er, Ron?  Wrong C&P?  This links to an article about Spitzer.




No.  It's about the Price-placebo effect.
>
> Am I the only one on this list who can see that people who think
> that expensive wines and energy drinks are "better" than cheap wines
> and energy drinks just might also think that expensive operating
> systems are better than cheap operating systems?
>
>
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>
>
Hey, agreed,
  This is not an article about Spitzer. It is an article about the price of
a comodity, its
perceived value and the relationship of these to the actual
enjoyment/satisfaction with the product.
  Looks like the Spitzer mess either prompted the study or was tacked on to
make this news 'edgy'.

  Relating this to Operating Systems:
  Pay for Windows - Cost me lots of money, must be good.
  Get Linux for free - Cost me nothing, probably not worth much.

  The study is trying to show that this is more than just a hunch or even an
active thought process. This actually has an effect on the satisfaction
center of the brain. You think it's good, so your body acts/reacts as if it
is making it somewhat self fulfilling.
  Playing out their conclusions to make Ron's point: RedHat linux
is a hit in business _because_ it costs more than normal (free) distros not
in spite of it.

cheers,
Owen.

Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Dennis G. Wicks]

Ron Johnson wrote the following on 03/17/2008 07:42 PM:

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On Mon, March 17, 2008 7:29 am, Ron Johnson wrote:

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Er, Ron?  Wrong C&P?  This links to an article about Spitzer.


No.  It's about the Price-placebo effect.

Am I the only one on this list who can see that people who think
that expensive wines and energy drinks are "better" than cheap wines
and energy drinks just might also think that expensive operating
systems are better than cheap operating systems?


No, there are at least two of us! ;-)


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Re: Palm TX Handheld and Debian

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 01:51:47AM +0100, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> On Monday 17 March 2008 23:51, Andrew Reid wrote:
> > On Monday 17 March 2008 07:55, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> >
> >   However, I have never actually run Debian *on* my Palm TX, which
> > is what your question sounds like it might mean.
> 
> Yes, I would like to run etch on my palm. I read a bit more and saw it may  
> work!! I will see. If not I will stick to Palm OS. But if any handheld 
> apparatus works with Linux (debian preferably) I will get it, but I must be 
> sure of the result ( It's for business use). Otherwise I may do with a 
> laptop, an external GPS.

Apparanty, Sharp makes something called a Zaurus, quite popular in Japan
but I've never seen one.  It runs all the free OSs including OpenBSD.

I think there was a thread very recently where someone gave us a link to
a very tiny laptop and I think it was by Asus.  Something like a 7"
screen.

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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 07:05:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 03/17/08 12:38, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 03:20:36PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 01:48:13PM -0500, Jonathan Jacobs wrote:
> >>> I will also tell her that I will install Debian and migrate her email
> >>> and word documents over for her.
> >> Enjoy teaching her LaTex while she's at it.  May as well get her away
> >> from "word" into a real system.
> > 
> > this is not necessarily as inappropriate as others have
> > suggested. *My* mother (wild generalizations based on one anecdotal
> > case follows...) would likely greatly appreciate a CLI based
> > editor. All totalled, she has probably processed 10x more words in WP
> > 5.1 or so than in all the gui editors combined. Its highly likely that
> > an older person may be more comfortable in that environment just from
> > past experience. I should probably talk to her about that and see if
> > she wants to move "back" to something like that...
> 
> e3 and joe emulate WordStar, if she's *really* old-school.

Good'ol mc with mcedit are great.

My dad would be quite at home in front of my VT520; he hasn't been here
since I bought it.  I remember going to his work (insurance
underwriter) when I was a kid; I remember all the green-screens.

Then again, he did math on a Facit mechanical calculator.  Long division
was fun on that!

Doug.


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Re: Palm TX Handheld and Debian

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Tuesday 18 March 2008 02:12, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 01:51:47AM +0100, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
>
> Apparanty, Sharp makes something called a Zaurus, quite popular in Japan
> but I've never seen one.  It runs all the free OSs including OpenBSD.
>
> I think there was a thread very recently where someone gave us a link to
> a very tiny laptop and I think it was by Asus.  Something like a 7"
> screen.
>
> Doug.

Yes I heard of it, but I could not find i in France.
Thierry


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Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 05:14:45PM -0700, joseph lockhart wrote:
> take it as you will, but I think that it would be
> useful to group the terminal and lightweight apps
> together, just seems a waste to download (25 for etch)
> disks to install onto a low powered computer, when
> everything together would all fit on one disk (that is
> base system and all terminal apps that I wanted). It
> would seem that grouping these together and labeling
> them would save many people a great deal of hassel.
> 
> along the same note, grouping programs by function may
> also help relieve some of the burden, as well as a
> functiont that allows searching packages to see what
> is on each disk before downloading it.

I agree that just as there is a gnome-based installer and a KDE-based
installer, it would be nice to have _one_ CD that gave me:

base
mc
lynx
exim-light
icewm (or I'd be interested in trying fluxbox or openbox)
links2
sshd + ssh
rsync
tar
man pages
pinfo

Which is basically what I have on my P-II.

My really low-powered (and boxes with less than 1GB drive space)
run OpenBSD with the same apps (much faster).

The current method of grouping by popularity only works for people who
match the profile of the majority.  I never have.

Doug.


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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

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On 03/17/08 20:14, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
[snip]
> 
> My dad would be quite at home in front of my VT520; he hasn't been here
> since I bought it.  I remember going to his work (insurance
> underwriter) when I was a kid; I remember all the green-screens.

VTs are useful, because they are small.  But I'd *never* voluntarily
use one, because the scrollback buffer of a VT emulator is just way
too useful.

> Then again, he did math on a Facit mechanical calculator.  Long division
> was fun on that!

And he walked around on tip-toes, because the earth was still warm...

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Re: Palm TX Handheld and Debian

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On 03/17/08 20:17, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 March 2008 02:12, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 01:51:47AM +0100, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
>>
>> Apparanty, Sharp makes something called a Zaurus, quite popular in Japan
>> but I've never seen one.  It runs all the free OSs including OpenBSD.
>>
>> I think there was a thread very recently where someone gave us a link to
>> a very tiny laptop and I think it was by Asus.  Something like a 7"
>> screen.
>>
>> Doug.
> 
> Yes I heard of it, but I could not find i in France.

The Eee PC.

Maybe these sites will help:

http://www.eee-pc.fr/
http://www.linuxsolutions.fr/newsdetails.php?news_title=Get-a-2000$-Laptop-for-400$!
http://www.cnetfrance.fr/produits/pc-portables/asus-eee-pc-39376812.htm

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Damon L. Chesser]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 03/17/08 14:57, Steve Lamb wrote:
  

On Mon, March 17, 2008 7:29 am, Ron Johnson wrote:


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Er, Ron?  Wrong C&P?  This links to an article about Spitzer.



No.  It's about the Price-placebo effect.

Am I the only one on this list who can see that people who think
that expensive wines and energy drinks are "better" than cheap wines
and energy drinks just might also think that expensive operating
systems are better than cheap operating systems?

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No,

See my MS entry, 1st reply, I believe.

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Damon L. Chesser]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On Mon, March 17, 2008 7:29 am, Ron Johnson wrote:


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Er, Ron?  Wrong C&P?  This links to an article about Spitzer.



No.  It's about the Price-placebo effect.

Am I the only one on this list who can see that people who think
that expensive wines and energy drinks are "better" than cheap wines
and energy drinks just might also think that expensive operating
systems are better than cheap operating systems?

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How much did your link cost?

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Damon L. Chesser]

T o n g wrote:

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:29:17 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

  

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031602168.html




Sorry to be the one who breaks the embarrassing news to you but the above
url led me to something related to *sex scandal*, from which I failed to
comprehend Why Red Hat is the "business" distro.


  

Send me $2500 US and I will explain it to you.  You know it has to be good!

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Re: vmware-server with 2.6.24

[Damon L. Chesser]

Alex Samad wrote:

Hi

I was wondering if any one has got this combo to work with the
vmware-package package. I have it working on 2.6.22

I have done a google, and seen people have got it working with the
vmware installer (and patches)

alex
  
I always just downloaded the rpm package.  Run alien --with-scripts to 
make a .deb (man alien, exact syntax is lacking), install said .deb with 
dpkg -i


run vmware-config.pl  If you run into any gcc issues, read the error 
message, make a sim link as suggested.  Your done.


Always worked for me, running vmworkstation here on 2.6.22 (however it 
is Ubuntu, but until a week ago, I had Sid and it worked there).


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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

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On 03/17/08 20:51, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
[snip]
> How much did your link cost?

Huh?

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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Munra]

On Mar 15, 8:00 pm, Jonathan Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> GNOME and KDE are the ones that I have.  But, is there one out there
> that looks like XP.  I am going to install Debian on my mothers
> computer and she is running...slowly...XP.  Every other comment out
> of my mom, about the computer, is that it is running slowly.  I have
> already removed any spyware and whatnot and I have cleaned the
> reg.  It is about time that I upgraded her pc to Debian.  Just need a
> desktop environment that looks like XP..any suggestions?
>

Well, maybe this http://tecnicoslinux.com.ar/web/node/125 could work
is based in Kubuntu.

> Jonathan
> ---Have a good day
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>
> 20. "Wait...I'm trying to imagine you with a personality"
>
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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[steve]

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|>
|>> Looks like the article is about Elliot Spitzer.
|>>
|>>
|>
|> Same here. I do not know how it is related to Red Hat.
|>
|> raju
|
| um, look at the graph at top ;)
|

eh?

theres an advertisement at the top of the page that changes every time
you reload




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He's probably referring to... (was Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro)

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/17/08 21:10, steve wrote:
> Jeff D wrote:
> .com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031602168.html
> |>
> |>> Looks like the article is about Elliot Spitzer.
> |>>
> |>>
> |>
> |> Same here. I do not know how it is related to Red Hat.
> |>
> |> raju
> |
> | um, look at the graph at top ;)
> |
> 
> eh?
> 
> theres an advertisement at the top of the page that changes every time
> you reload

... this:

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/03/17/GR2008031700229.gif

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Re: Palm TX Handheld and Debian

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Tuesday 18 March 2008 02:37, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 03/17/08 20:17, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> > On Tuesday 18 March 2008 02:12, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 01:51:47AM +0100, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> >>
> >> Apparanty, Sharp makes something called a Zaurus, quite popular in Japan
> >> but I've never seen one.  It runs all the free OSs including OpenBSD.
> >>
> >> I think there was a thread very recently where someone gave us a link to
> >> a very tiny laptop and I think it was by Asus.  Something like a 7"
> >> screen.
> >>
> >> Doug.
> >
> > Yes I heard of it, but I could not find i in France.
>
> The Eee PC.
>
> Maybe these sites will help:
>
> http://www.eee-pc.fr/
> http://www.linuxsolutions.fr/newsdetails.php?news_title=Get-a-2000$-Laptop-
>for-400$!
> http://www.cnetfrance.fr/produits/pc-portables/asus-eee-pc-39376812.htm
>
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>
> "Working with women is a pain in the a**."
> My wife

Thank you Ron, but I think I will stick to a 'true' laptop. I, then, will get 
a 'real' laptop' and make it a dual boot system; I will have to answer 
question about windows for my job, and it may help me since a forgot all 
about it in the last 4 years!!!
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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Raj Kiran Grandhi]

Munra wrote:

On Mar 15, 8:00 pm, Jonathan Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

GNOME and KDE are the ones that I have.  But, is there one out there
that looks like XP.  I am going to install Debian on my mothers
computer and she is running...slowly...XP.  Every other comment out
of my mom, about the computer, is that it is running slowly.  I have
already removed any spyware and whatnot and I have cleaned the
reg.  It is about time that I upgraded her pc to Debian.  Just need a
desktop environment that looks like XP..any suggestions?



Well, maybe this http://tecnicoslinux.com.ar/web/node/125 could work
is based in Kubuntu.


Nice work. Does it also simulate an occasional BSOD? ;-)


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Re: KDM not working

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If you want to use kdm, can you start it from a shell, and then send us
the debug output? what exactly does it do?

You need to be more specific than "it doesn't work" to get useful replies.
As per your suggestion  I started  KDM from the shell. And I
am  sending you the error I
got.


Note that your system uses syslog. All of kdm's internally generated
messages
(i.e., not from libraries and external programs/scripts it uses) go to the
daemon.* syslog facility; check your syslog configuration to find out to
which
file(s) it is logged. PAM logs messages related to authentication to
authpriv.*.



X Window System Version 7.1.1
Release Date: 12 May 2006
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1
Build Operating System: UNKNOWN
Current Operating System: Linux sujith 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10
22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686
Build Date: 24 January 2008
   Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
   to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
   (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
   (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Mar 17 23:20:50 2008
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"

xkb_keycodes
{ include "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)" };

xkb_types
{ include "complete" };

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Re: iceweasel (firefox) and Hummingbird Exceed

[Marc Auslander]

Thanks - but that was not the problem.

One thing I notice is that when I trace the connection, iceweasel
isn't opening any fonts on the X-server.  Could it be doing everything
with bit streams to the X-server?


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Re: configuration of a linux router

[peasthope]

Douglas,

dt> if you don't own peasthope.yi.org, then I wouldn't use it even locally.

But I do own the machine and the name.
  
yi.org is a dynamic dns service.  Not 
already being allocated is a precondition 
to assigning "peasthope.yi.org" to my computer.

dt> It is a valid name.

So ... I miss your drift here.

dt> e.g.
dt> 172.23.4.1  [thisbox].[yourlocaldoamin] [thisbox]

Is [yourlocaldoamin] a domain name used 
only on my private LAN?  

I understand why computers have names.
"ftp curie" is better than "ftp 172.23.4.2".
But what is the benefit of a domain name 
for my LAN?

The revised /etc/hosts is appended.  With 
any luck it is closer to what you suggested.

Thanks,   ... Peter E.

===
.joule:~# cat /etc/hosts
# /etc/hosts file
127.0.0.1   localhost.localdomain localhost

# Private LANs at home 
172.23.4.1  joule.shaw.ca joule
172.23.4.2  curie.shaw.ca curie

172.23.5.1  joule.shaw.ca joule
172.23.5.2  heaviside.shaw.ca heaviside

# The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
===

Desktops.OpenDoc  http://carnot.yi.org/


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Re: cron and command quote

[s. keeling]

T o n g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>  I.e., somehow, the 'ps | grep' was able to find something in cron, whereas
>  when executed directly under shell:
> 
>   $ ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao *write|growisofs.*speed='
> 
>   $ /bin/sh -c "ps -eaf | grep -E 'cdrecord.* -[dts]ao |cdrdao 
> *write|growisofs.*speed='"
> 
>  I.e., if the same command are executed directly under shell the 
>  'ps | grep' finds nothing. 
> 
>  Anyone can give some explanation?

Yes.  you're stressing either the tool, or your knowledge of it.  Put
the relevant bits in a shell script and tell cron to execute that.
Then you'll have full control.  It won't be hampered by cron's (by
design) limitations.


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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Curt Howland]

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On Monday 17 March 2008, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard 
to say:
> > This, he says, has the benefit of making those people think that
> > they are getting a product worth a lot for free because they
> > happen to know someone who is an 'insider'.
>
> Now that's interesting and clever...

Did you ever see the article "Windows Is Free"?

It goes into this perceived value thing, too.

http://tlug.jp/articles/Windows_Is_Free

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Nate Bargmann]

* Thierry Chatelet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Mar 17 20:07 -0500]:
> On Monday 17 March 2008 22:57, T o n g wrote:
> > On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:29:17 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031
> > >602168.html
> >
> > Sorry to be the one who breaks the embarrassing news to you but the above
> > url led me to something related to *sex scandal*, from which I failed to
> > comprehend Why Red Hat is the "business" distro.
> 
> Same for me!

Perhaps it is something uniquely American, but the key to understanding
Ron's association is the wine tasting example given in the article.  As
mentioned earlier in the thread, the sex scandal mentioned only
guaranteed more people would read the article.

H, kind of proves the point!

- Nate >>

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Desm S.A. Newsletter No65

[DESM S.A.]

This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this 
format, some or all of this message may not be legible.

Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 17 March 2008 06:33:37 pm Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 03/17/08 20:14, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > My dad would be quite at home in front of my VT520; he hasn't been here
> > since I bought it.  I remember going to his work (insurance
> > underwriter) when I was a kid; I remember all the green-screens.
>
> VTs are useful, because they are small.  But I'd *never* voluntarily
> use one, because the scrollback buffer of a VT emulator is just way
> too useful.

I could have sworn I've encountered real VTs with scrollback.

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Re: vmware-server with 2.6.24

[Alex Samad]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 09:56:56PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> Alex Samad wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I was wondering if any one has got this combo to work with the
>> vmware-package package. I have it working on 2.6.22
>>
>> I have done a google, and seen people have got it working with the
>> vmware installer (and patches)
>>
>> alex
>>   
> I always just downloaded the rpm package.  Run alien --with-scripts to  
> make a .deb (man alien, exact syntax is lacking), install said .deb with  
> dpkg -i
>
> run vmware-config.pl  If you run into any gcc issues, read the error  
> message, make a sim link as suggested.  Your done.
>
> Always worked for me, running vmworkstation here on 2.6.22 (however it  
> is Ubuntu, but until a week ago, I had Sid and it worked there).
well for 2.6.22 you couls also just do a m-a a-i vmware-server-kernel 
and a apt-get install vmware-XXX

my problem was with 2.6.24.

I try and do it with apt if possible

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Re: apt.conf doesn't have effect anymore

[Daniel Burrows]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:40:14PM +0100, Dvorzhetsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
heard to say:
> #deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free

  Did you mean for that to be commented out?

> deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free

  [snip]

> *===*
> # apt-cache policy amarok
> amarok:
>   Installed: 1.4.8-1
>   Candidate: 1.4.8-1
>   Version table:
>  *** 1.4.8-1 0
> 990 http://ftp.fr.debian.org testing/main Packages
> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
> *===*
> 
> I think I should get the sid and experimental version of the package as
> well isn't it?

  I don't see an active sid source line in your sources.list, and amarok
isn't in experimental.  It seems to me that, unless you expect a version
from debian-multimedia to appear, this is what you should be getting.

  Daniel


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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Daniel Burrows]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:30:24PM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
was heard to say:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
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>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031602168.html
>
> Interesting. This reminds me of some article I read somewhere regarding  
> the perception that people tend to take things that are free as in beer  
> (linux, for instance) to mean that they are not worth anything.
>
> The author proposes that instead of telling people that linux is free  
> (and hence worthless) it would probably be a better idea to quote the  
> price of paid support of, say, Ubuntu desktop @ $250 per year, and then  
> tell them that since he happens to be a 'licensed distributor' for it,  
> he could manage to get them a couple of licenses for free.

  If you follow the article Ron linked to above, special discounts are
apparently subject to the same effect.  In a study where people took
supposedly mind-enhancing placebo drinks, people who drank the more
expensive version (around $1.80) were twice as effective *even though
the researchers explicitly told them that the discount version (around
$0.80) was exactly the same substance*.

  Daniel


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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Tuesday 18 March 2008 04:50, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:30:24PM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> >>
> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR200803
> >>1602168.html
> >
> > Interesting. This reminds me of some article I read somewhere regarding
> > the perception that people tend to take things that are free as in beer
> > (linux, for instance) to mean that they are not worth anything.
> >
> > The author proposes that instead of telling people that linux is free
> > (and hence worthless) it would probably be a better idea to quote the
> > price of paid support of, say, Ubuntu desktop @ $250 per year, and then
> > tell them that since he happens to be a 'licensed distributor' for it,
> > he could manage to get them a couple of licenses for free.
>
>   If you follow the article Ron linked to above, special discounts are
> apparently subject to the same effect.  In a study where people took
> supposedly mind-enhancing placebo drinks, people who drank the more
> expensive version (around $1.80) were twice as effective *even though
> the researchers explicitly told them that the discount version (around
> $0.80) was exactly the same substance*.
>
>   Daniel

Well, I don't about other countries, but in France you can get the new office 
2007 for free from $M. I guess, people are not going to like it? [smile]
Thierry


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Screen resolution amd64 and NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE

[Oscar Corte]

I just installed Debian etch 40r3 on an AMD64 PC. However, screen resolution is 
set to 640x480.

Video device is: NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE

When entering:
Desktop>>Preferences>>Screen Resolution,
the only option available is 640x480

What can I do in order to set it to 1024x768 or any other?

Please help!!!

Thanks a lot in advance for any hints
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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[William Pursell]

Damon L. Chesser wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:
>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/16/AR2008031602168.html 



DC: quoted some 23 lines of RJ's message, including
 signature block, and added one line of text:

Well, That explains why people use MS.


Please trim posts before responding.  (Not meaning to pick on
Damon, just noticing a trend on the group towards a lack
of trimming, and picked this as an example.)


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Re: Question about Desktop Environments

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/17/08 22:24, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Monday 17 March 2008 06:33:37 pm Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 03/17/08 20:14, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> My dad would be quite at home in front of my VT520; he hasn't been here
>>> since I bought it.  I remember going to his work (insurance
>>> underwriter) when I was a kid; I remember all the green-screens.
>> VTs are useful, because they are small.  But I'd *never* voluntarily
>> use one, because the scrollback buffer of a VT emulator is just way
>> too useful.
> 
> I could have sworn I've encountered real VTs with scrollback.

Maybe a handful of pages, like the Linux console has, but nothing
like the ability to specify 10's of thousands of lines of scrollback
buffer.  Which has saved my butt on more than a few occasions...

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/17/08 23:12, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
[snip]
> 
> Well, I don't about other countries, but in France you can get the new office 
> 2007 for free from $M. I guess, people are not going to like it? [smile]

Does $M stand for $ado-Masochism?  :)

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