Re: openGL cannot do fullscreen in dual monitor config

[Marc Wilson]

On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:44:11PM -0800, Erik Steffl wrote:
>   just tried dual monitors with two card (geForce FX 5600 Ultra, nvidia 
> drivers and ATI Radeon 9800, ati drivers), debian unstable, X 4.2.1:



The important thing... are you using dual-head, or are you using Xinerama?
If you're using dual-head, you should have full OGL acceleration on both
heads, subject to whatever their respective driver(s) provide or don't
provide.

If, on the other hand, you're using Xinerama or something that fakes X into
*thinking* it has Xinerama (nVidia's TwinView does this, I dunno what ATi
does), then you only get accelerated OGL on the primary head.  Effects on
the second head vary from simply being unaccelerated, to windows that
render properly on the primary head being empty black rectangles on the
second head.

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Intranet Mails on Linux

[Amruta Jejurikar]

hi!
I would like to know how to exchange intranet mails. Intranet in this case, includes a Linux Redhat 9 machine, which acts as the server, and the clients are Windows (9x) machines.
It would be great if you could give some advice on online tutorials and links, as soon as possible!
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Re: Exim4 ACLs (was: Thoughts on exim4-conifg)

[Alan Chandler]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 01:44, Bill Moseley wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 12:25:02AM +, Alan Chandler wrote:
> > On Tuesday 11 November 2003 17:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > What do people think of exim4-config?  It splits the exim config file
> > > into parts and when exim4 is (re)started a new config file is built
> > > from all the parts, tested that it's valid and then exim4 is started
> > > with the new config.
> >
> > A real pain if you want to hand craft a solution.  I ended up creating an
> > /etc/exim4/exim4.conf file to edit - and the copied ACLs from various
> > sources on the net.  I have it nicely set up how I want it now.
>
> Yep, that's what I ended up doing.
>
> Can I ask about your ACL setup for spam and other junk?  Are you doing
> much different than this:

The ones doing the real weeding out of message are for check data (using the 
extensions build into exim-heavy, although the first one is in check rcpt acl 
(sorry about the line wrapping - but you will get the idea.) 

in check rcpt acl

  # Now, do basic call back checking
  denyhosts = !+local_hosts : *
  sender_domains = !CONFDIR/nocallbackdomain:*
 !verify = sender/callout=90s,defer_ok,postmaster
.ifdef TEERGRUBE
  delay = TEERGRUBE
.endif



in check_data acl



  denymessage = This domain has a policy of not accepting certain types of 
attachments in mail \
as they may contain a virus.  This mail has a file 
with an $found_extension \
attachment and is not accepted. If you have a 
legitimate need to send this \
particular attachment, send it zipped, and it will 
then be forwarded to the r
ecipient.
  demime = exe:com:vbs:bat:pif:scr
.ifdef TEERGRUBE
  delay = TEERGRUBE
.endif


AND

  # Reject spam messages. Remember to tweak your
  # site-wide SA profile. Do not spam-scan messages
  # larger than eighty kilobytes or one marked at RCPT time
  # as not needing it
  denymessage = Your mail with Subject: $h_Subject: \
to domain chandlerfamily.org.uk appears to be unsolicited 
spam.\
\
Even if someone from this domain requested mail from you in 
the past, this\
is a privately owned domain only used by members of my family.  
I can confirm\
that none of them wish to receive more that the original 
single message from\
you and that no more messages are required. Please remove all 
addresses\
with this domain name from your lists.\
\
However, we do not wish to stop positive confirmation of 
purchase of goods and servic
es,\
but we do not wish to receive offers of goods for sale, prizes 
for competitions or ot
her\
marketing messages.  So if further requests for information 
are made from this domain
,\
please treat them as single requests only.\
\
If you intended to contact a person at that email domain for\
legitimate reasons then our apologies. Please would you resend 
to the\
same address but add the prefix "real-" (without the quotes) 
to the\
e-mail address and it will bypass the spam filter.\
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  !condition = $header_X-NoSpamCheck:
  condition = ${if <{$message_size}{80k}{1}{0}}
  spam = nobody
 .ifdef TEERGRUBE
  delay = TEERGRUBE
.endif












>
> I'm using exim4-daemon-heavy and it's nice to reject the spam and
> Windows attachments at acl_check_data time, but other checks that I
> thought were going to make a big difference have not done much for
> filtering bad mail.
>
> For example, rbl checks on rfc-ignorant.org turn up too many false
> positives.  I need to white list a lot of domains for that to be useful.
>
> I'm also use caller verification and call-out verification.  I thought
> that would catch more, but it seems that where the callout fails
> Spamassassin is also catching the mail.  And half or more of the spam seems
> to use a valid sender address.  So the callout may not be worth the
> work.
>
> My other dnslist entries seems to work well, although I'm not deny'ing at
> this point.  Although the ones I see are also often rejected because of
> windows attachments anyway.
>
>   warn  message = X-Warning: $sender_host_address is listed at
> $dnslist_domain ($dnslist_value: $dnslist_text) log_message =
> $sender_host_address is listed at $dnslist_domain ($dnslist_value:
> $dnslist_text) dnslists=
> relays.ordb.org:relays.bl.kundenserver.de:relays.visi.com:sbl.spamhaus.org
>
>
> Perhaps what would be more useful is to tune my spamassassing setup.
> I'm using the default 2.6 installation with no changes to local.cf.
>
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Re: Incremental CDR backups

[Alban Browaeys]

Le Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:08:39 -0500, Paul M Foster a écrit :

> mkisofs -r -o /tmp/cdimage -C $NEXTTRACK -M /dev/cdrom /home/paulf/cdrom

you should check, though as i remind you cannot have the same dir name at
the root of the iso9660 image for multisessions. else the first etry with
the nae "/home" is read and other are ignoed (there are tweak to recover
those other sessions even in this case , it s too advanced for me)

from man mkisofs bug section:
o  Does not properly read relocated  directories  in  multi-session
 mode when adding data.

   Any relocated deep directory is lost if the new session does not
   include the deep directory.

   Repeat by: create first session with deep  directory  relocation
   then add new session with a single dir that differs from the old
   deep path.
.. i did not fully get the meaning , anyway it seems to apply too

My bet: use --graft-points mkisofs option to have different root directory
for each sessions:
$DATE=$(date +%Y-%m-%d)
$ mkisofs -r -o /tmp/cdimage -C $NEXTTRACK -M /dev/cdrom \
$DATE-home/paulf/cdrom/=/home/paulf/cdrom


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Re: kernel 2.4.22 on testing

[Herbert Xu]

TK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> network card drivers. I manually tried "insmod via-rhine" but got a 
> "unsolved symbols" errors. Looking into /boot, the kernel file is  

You should use modprobe instead of insmod.
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moddep *** unresolved symbol

[Gianpaolo Serafini]

Dear fellows,

I'am an happy Debian user for 6 mounts (not a long
time really!). In this period I installed several
linux-debian systems. I also made the "kernel build"
from sources due to specific hardware. I used a lot
the package make-kpkg so I was able to compile the
kernel on a development machine (my desktop...) and
transfert it on a target machine. All this was nice
and waorke fine...till few days ago!!! Now I get
problems compiling kernel 2.4.22-3 (from Debian
source). 
I did, as usual,

make clean 
make menuconfig 
make-kpkg clean
make-kpkg kernel-image

getting a .deb file.
When I unpack it (using dpkg -i...)  I getting lots of
messages like "depmod unresolved symbol " of
course the boot with that kernel was a tragedy.  The
msystem ware I build the sources is a Debian woody.  I
tried to change gcc version I used both 3.2 as 2.95
getting the same result! The target system, is a
RAID-LVM system  running a 2.4.18bf24 kernel (debian
woody). So maybe something is wrong on the target. Or
may my desktop is getting crazy?! I read the list
archives searching for  "unresolved symbol". I
understand that it not so easy to find out the real
cause Could anyone give my any  help?

Thanks

Gianpaolo



 

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Re: other users of the medion MD40100?

[Ronald van der Meer]

Hi,

I bought this laptop too and also submitted a site to www.linux-laptop.net
It didn't show up yet either.
My site is at home.conceptsfa.nl/~revdmeer/md40100.

Suggestions are welcome, especially for internal miniPCI wireless-lan card which I 
still can't get to work.

Ronald.



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RE: Execute shutdown as other user than root

[Iago Sineiro]

Thanks. That's work

Iago.

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Asunto: Re: Execute shutdown as other user than root


Iago Sineiro wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I want to execute shutdown as other user than root. How to do it? Is it
> possible?
>
> Note: I want to do it in one box with Debian that doesn't have command
sudo
> and I don't want to install it.
>
>

make shutdown suid root and only executable by the shutdown group?


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New user help...

[Kevin Krumwiede]

I feel like RedHat has sold out on me as a paying customer, so I'm looking at Debian.  
I've run into a few problems, though...

First, the framebuffer console looks hideous on my laptop.  I searched the list 
archives, but the only solutions I found were using the kernel parameter 'vga=normal' 
(no effect) or recompiling the kernel (something I prefer to avoid).

Second, I tried 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-586'.  I got the new kernel 
installed and running (which nicely took care of the above problem), but it didn't 
come with pcmcia modules so now I have no network.  Are those in another package?

Third, to see if apt-get is as easy as everyone says, I did 'apt-get install xfce'.  
It downloaded all the dependencies, or so it says... but when I run startxfce, it 
bombs because it can't find 'xinit'.  What am I missing?

Thanks for helping out a newbie.

Krum


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Re: odd df results

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:35:53 -0600, 
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 21:11, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:13:01 -0600, 
> > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 17:14, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:
> > > > I am getting the following result on my filesystem.  How do I
> > > > correct it?
> > > > 
> > > > # df
> > > > Filesystem   1k-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted
> > > > on/dev/hda1-1006130973579 1 0  24% /
> > > > /dev/hda2-1006139352819 1 0   8%
> > > > /home
> > > 
> > > Woody?  Sarge, what?
> > > 
> > > How big is /dev/hda?
> > 
> > .."not big enough".  I got similar responses on trying to dd a
> > Knoppix iso onto an old 730M disk.  ;-)
> 
> What do you mean?  Did the df(1) give that weird result before or
> after the dd(1)?

..after, the dd failed at about 99.something and df -h owed in the 
Exa range.  ;-)


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Re: proxy configuration

[Nick Hastings]

Hi,

* Haiko Etzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031112 11:12]:
> Hello,
> my server is behind a proxy-server with authentification.
> I installed debian through http, where I inserted the proxy informations.

For package installation with apt-get have a look in /etc/apt/apt.conf

> But now I need to change this informations! Where can I find the
> config files? Or is there a config-programm?

I don't know if there is a general Debian way to do this.

Other programs it look in different places for the proxy.
Try setting your http_proxy environment variable.

HTH,

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Re: Periodic sluggishness in games

[Alex Malinovich]

On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 22:39, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote:
--snip--
> As a test, I closed all open apps, turned off apache and mysqld, and 
> start up a round of Unreal Tournament. The problem continued, with 
> alternating periods of normal speed and slow speed, with the periods of 
> normal speed getting shorter as time went on.
> 
> The only syslog entries during this time period were:
> 
> --
> Nov 11 23:26:38 Moe gnome-name-server[6073]: server_is_alive: 
> cnx[IDL:GNOME/Terminal/TerminalFactory:1.0] = (nil)
> Nov 11 23:26:38 Moe gnome-name-server[6074]: server_is_alive: 
> cnx[IDL:GNOME/Terminal/TerminalFactory:1.0] = 0x80561c0
> Nov 11 23:26:40 Moe gnome-name-server[6081]: server_is_alive: 
> cnx[IDL:GNOME/Terminal/TerminalFactory:1.0] = (nil)
> Nov 11 23:26:40 Moe gnome-name-server[6082]: server_is_alive: 
> cnx[IDL:GNOME/Terminal/TerminalFactory:1.0] = 0x8056630
> Nov 11 23:27:14 Moe gconfd (joeljkp-5739): GConf server is not in use, 
> shutting down.
> Nov 11 23:27:14 Moe gconfd (joeljkp-5739): Exiting
> Nov 11 23:34:45 Moe gnome-name-server[6162]: server_is_alive: 
> cnx[IDL:GNOME/Terminal/TerminalFactory:1.0] = (nil)
> Nov 11 23:34:45 Moe gnome-name-server[6163]: server_is_alive: 
> cnx[IDL:GNOME/Terminal/TerminalFactory:1.0] = 0x80561c0
> --
> 
> Any idea what these are, and if they could cause something like this?
> 
> Or there some other problem here?

When in the game does it happen? I don't recall having any problems with
Max Payne, but I know that UT used to be rather slow at the beginning of
each new level for the first few minutes. Then it would miraculously
clear up and cause no problems.

The only other thing that I could think of, as previously mentioned, is
that it's some cron job that keeps running. I'd try logging into just a
bare X session with nothing but an xterm window running and then doing a
ps -A and killing off anything that you don't really need running at the
time. Start up the game(s) and see if the problem clears up. If not, it
might be something with your video drivers.

Actually, and I just thought of this, check your sound setup. What type
of sound card do you have, are you using ALSA or OSS, etc? I remember
Quake III had some serious issues with certain types of sound setups and
serious slowdown in the game.
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Re: openGL cannot do fullscreen in dual monitor config

[Alex Malinovich]

On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 22:44, Erik Steffl wrote:
>just tried dual monitors with two card (geForce FX 5600 Ultra, nvidia 
> drivers and ATI Radeon 9800, ati drivers), debian unstable, X 4.2.1:
> 
>one monitor: openGL works fullscreen or windowed
> 
>two monitors: openGL works in window, not fullscreen
> 
>tested with xscreensaver hacks
> 
>considering that these are two fairly different implementations of 
> openGL (I think, they both provide openGL libs and their own way to set 
> up two monitors) - is there something that I should set up to be able to 
> run fullscreen openGL apps fullscreen? or is some way to set up dual 
> monitors better than other when using fullscreen openGL apps?

Not sure what your exact setup is, but using a GeForce 4 Ti 4400 with 2
19" monitors and the Nvidia drivers I was able to play Quake III
fullscreen across both monitors.

(Well, "able to play" being a relative term. It was damned near
impossible to aim as the crosshair was split between the two monitors,
with 4 inches of dead space between the adjoining edges of the screens.
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Re: Execute shutdown as other user than root

[Lajos Mester]

On Tuesday 11 November 2003 20:40, Clive Menzies wrote:
> On (11/11/03 19:33), Andreas Janssen wrote:
> > Clive Menzies (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > > On (11/11/03 16:28), Iago Sineiro wrote:
> > >> I want to execute shutdown as other user than root. How to do it? Is
> > >> it possible?
> > >>
> > >> Note: I want to do it in one box with Debian that doesn't have
> > >> command sudo and I don't want to install it.
> > >
> > > FWIW KDE3.1 gives me reboot/shutdown options as an ordinary user - it
> > > configured itself that way, so I can't tell you how it is done.
KDE _has_ root privileges by default. And as you can control kde, you may 
shutdown as an ordinary user, yes.

> >
> > You can enable or disable this by configuring the KDE login manager.
>
> That is so cool - there is so much stuff that you can control ;)
>
> Thanks Andreas
>
> Regards
>
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Re: New user help...

[Oliver Elphick]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 08:49, Kevin Krumwiede wrote:
> I feel like RedHat has sold out on me as a paying customer, so I'm
> looking at Debian.  I've run into a few problems, though...
...
> Second, I tried 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-586'.  I got the
> new kernel installed and running (which nicely took care of the above
> problem), but it didn't come with pcmcia modules so now I have no
> network.  Are those in another package?

kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-586tsc

Hint: look at http://packages.debian.org

> Third, to see if apt-get is as easy as everyone says, I did 'apt-get
> install xfce'.  It downloaded all the dependencies, or so it says...
> but when I run startxfce, it bombs because it can't find 'xinit'. 
> What am I missing?

Install x-window-system.  xfce depends on xlibs, but since X is client
server, installing a package that uses X does not automatically install
the whole X system; it could be using a display on a different machine. 
There might not even be a display on the local machine.

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Re: G550 and 3D acceleration

[Piers Kittel]

Hello Roberto;

> nForce2 GART support is in 2.4.22 and newer kernels.  The nVidia
> drivers have been modified (via a patch) to compile against 2.5.x and
> 2.6.x kernels.  If you want I can email you the patch, or you can
> Goolge for it, or search the threads at nforcershq.com.
Aha.  Got a bit confused there for a bit, as I've got the 2.4.20 kernel 
patched to 2.4.21, couldn't see the option in "make menuconfig", then 
realised you're talking about the .22 not the .21 kernel!  Doh. 
Compiling the 2.4.22 kernel at the moment, although can't reboot the 
computer as am at work and SSH'ing into my PC - can't recompile network 
card drivers without network card support ;)  But will sort it out 
tonight.  Hopefully that'll work now.

> modeversions.h is only present after you make
> [config|oldconfig|xconfig] and then 'make dep'
Aha.  But with the 2.6.0 kernel you don't have to do "make dep" - if I 
want modversions.h should I do a "make dep" or best get a patch for the 
nVidia drivers?  Might stick with the 2.4.22 kernel as it does have 
support for the NForce2 chipset.

> Also, what is in the Xfree86 log?

Which part exactly do you need to see?  If the whole lot, what's the 
best way to get it over?

Thanks very much for your help so far :)

Cheers - Piers

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Re: G550 and 3D acceleration

[Kjetil Kjernsmo]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 04:01, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 07:07:12AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I try and take good notes setting things up, but all I have is
> > "doesn't work on secondary head".  My memory is that I saw a reason
> > why it doesn't work on the secondary head but my Googling isn't
> > finding that right now.  Oh, maybe it's because I'm using Xinerama.
>
> Correct.  No DRI on second head, means no acceleration on second
> head.  If you use Xinerama then you're not going to get acceleration
> on either head.

I just set up a local multi-user system using Backstreet Ruby and a 
modified X server. I was actually able to run DRI on the primary head 
by loading the DRI module, and then set
Option "DRI""False"
on the second head (in the Device section). 

I don't know if it'll work for people with a different setup, but it is 
worth a shot.

Cheers,

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Re: Installing modem.

[Hoyt Bailey]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kent West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 19:07
Subject: Re: Installing modem.


> Hoyt Bailey wrote:
>
> >
> >>You say "ttyS3 is different from ttyS0 & ttyS1"; um, yes. They're
> >>different files. Maybe you mean something else when you say they're
> >>"different"?
> >>
> >
> > Yes, from dmesg:
> > Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ
> > SERIAL_PCI enabled
> > ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
> > ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
> > Redundant entry in serial pci_table.  Please send the output of
> > lspci -vv, this message (12b9,1008,12b9,00d3)
> > and the manufacturer and name of serial board or modem board
> > to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ttyS04 at port 0xd000 (irq = 19) is a 16550A
>
>
> It looks like you have two serial ports on your motherboard (00 & 01),
> in addition to your modem on 04. Apparently the PCI bus is getting
> confused somehow. You might want to go into the BIOS and temporarily
> disable the built-in serial ports, and see what that does for you.
>
> >
> > I have sent the requested message to the sourceforge.net. with a cc to
this
> > list.
> >
> >
> >>Why are you trying to transfer dmesg to floppy? Without knowing the
> >>exact command you used, as whom, in what directory, it's hard to say
> >>what might have gone wrong with your copy attempt.
> >>
> >
> > Because somewhere in the diddleing I came across dmesg as the log file
which
> > I didnt know and thought it might have something that would help.
> >
>
> But I'm unsure why you'd want to copy it to floppy. If you need it in a
> file form, you can:
> dmesg > dmesg.txt
> and then copy dmesg.txt to wherever you want it, including floppy. If
> you just want to see the dmesg messages, you can:
> dmesg | more
>

I need to transport stuff to windows to make a hard copy &/or to include in
an emale.  Floppy is the only way I have to do that.

>
> >
> >>What happens with the command:
> >>echo "ATDT555-1234" > /dev/ttyS3
> >
> > Nothing absolutely nothing and I can hear my modem sending. Dont have
> > another number I can call.
>
> This I don't understand; you say it's doing "nothing absolutely nothing"
> and then immediately say you hear the modem sending, which means it's
> doing something. Either it's doing nothing or it's doing something.
> Which is it?

How about:  When and if the modem dials my ISP I can hear The modem output
untill a connection is made.  I can assure you the modem is doing nothing on
either ttys3 or ttys4.

>
> I also assume you didn't really use the bogus number "555-1234"? You
> want to use a real number, say to your cell phone, or a second line, or
> to the local time & temperature (I didn't say that - no one can prove I
> did) and listen to the modem speaker for the time/temp announcement. If
> this works, that means the computer is seeing your modem, your modem is
> seeing the phone line, and the modem can dial out.
>

I used both the bogus number and my ISP's number & nothing happened.  I dont
think the modem is smart enough to know wheather the number is valid or not
and a busy signal or error message from SBC is good enough. By the way the
town is too small for time & temp and cell phone service stops at my frount
door.  Outside it works inside forget it.


> -- 
> Kent
>
What program generated the connection between the modem's 8 I/O lines
d000-d007 and /dev/ttyS3 and what would happen if I rm /dev/ttyS4 and maybe
/dev/ttyS3 as well and remade, with MAKEDEV, ttyS3 and then run the program
that makes the original connection.
Regards;
Hoyt



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Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

[bob parker]

On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 21:32, Paul Johnson wrote:

> Outside of the "crash" screen saver, I have yet to see a BSOD in
> Linux.  8:o)

Actually I did once, no blue screen of course but I did manage to crash 
Debian Woody. Fsking around with hdparm at the time.


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Re: Thoughts on exim4-conifg

[Kjetil Kjernsmo]

On Tuesday 11 November 2003 20:20, Greg Folkert wrote:
> Personally I love the stuff Andreas Metzler has done with the config.
> Makes it TONS more managable. Might I even suggest that Philip Hazel
> (Exim's author) adopt it... or include at least a way to do that.

I would agree with that, though I can't really find any good arguments 
for it, it just feels more manageable... YMMV... :-)

But wouldn't it be cool if exim4-config could automatically configure 
SpamAssassin and e.g. some antivirus?

Say, exim4-daemon-heavy suggested spamc, spamassassin and clamav, and if 
one of them are present exim4-config would ask simply if you want to 
enable them, and for SA, ask if you want to reject spam at some level. 

It could also ask if you want to reject certain file extensions.

Has this been discussed somewhere?

Best,

Kjetil
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Re: Installing modem

[Hoyt Bailey]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kent West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 19:30
Subject: Re: Installing modem


> Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> > I installed minicom from KDE package manager.  It is very easy.  Issued
> > 'minicom -s' and was able to move around and inserted a telephone number
in
> > the calling option but couldnt make anything happen.  Red the man page
as
> > well. Got into initalization modem and couldnt get out without closeing
> > window. What am I doing wrong?
> > Regards;
> > Hoyt
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> You're having tremendous difficulties getting a modem working. Could I
> suggest that you beg/borrow an external serial modem (not USB, not
> internal) from a friend, even if it's a lowly 1200baud modem? Get that
> working; then when you're satisfied that you're making progress, then
> start struggling again with your internal PCI modem (which I despise,
> because they're always trouble in my experience).
>
> -- 
> Kent
>
Good Idea but the only person I know with a computer likely has a winmodem
and I already have 2 of those and I think the problem is deeper than the
modem.  Of course I cant prove it but there is somthing not right and I cant
put my finger on the difficulty too many things just happen and logic just
dosent permit that.  There is a cockroach in this system and I had hoped to
find it by fixing the basic problems first. Dont forget when I installed
this modem and put the case back together. Turned on power windows booted
and dialed my ISP.  No install no hassel of any kind,  the modem cant be
totally at falt.
Regards;
Hoyt



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modem trouble : olitech self memory v92 ready serie

[liane]

my modem who was working fine have now mysteriously a strange behaviour.
To have a connexion i must lauch pon something like 30 times.
;((
i put in my message a copy of the /var/log/syslog file and other useful
modem configuration file.
If anyone have any clues about what is wrong , it will be welcome.
I know nothing about modem configuration, but i can read man page and
understand it , and read howto

thanks

more /etc/ppp/peers/provider
# These are the options to dial out to your default service provider.
# Please customize them correctly. Only the "provider" file will be
# handled by poff and pon (unless with extra command line arguments).

# You usually need this if there is no PAP authentication
noauth

# The chat script (be sure to edit that file, too!)
connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider"

# Set up routing to go through this PPP link
defaultroute

# Default modem (you better replace this with /dev/ttySx!)
/dev/modem

# Speed
38400

# Keep modem up even if connection fails
persist


 more /etc/chatscripts/provider
# This is the chat script used to dial out to your default service provider.
# Please customize the entries enclosed in parenthesis to match your setup.
# Only the "provider" file will be handled by poff and pon (unless with
# extra command line arguments).
#
# Remember to edit /etc/ppp/peers/provider accordingly.
#
# ATZW2 as a default init string
# - On all hayes compatible modems, W2 will correctly report the connect
#   speed.
#
ABORTBUSY
ABORT"NO CARRIER"
ABORTVOICE
ABORT"NO DIALTONE"
""   ATZW2
OK   ATDT
ogin 
word \q
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more syslog.pppd
Nov 12 10:15:52 dyan pppd[983]: pppd 2.4.1 started by claude, uid 1002
Nov 12 10:16:22 dyan pppd[983]: Serial connection established.
Nov 12 10:16:22 dyan pppd[983]: using channel 1
Nov 12 10:16:22 dyan pppd[983]: Using interface ppp0
Nov 12 10:16:22 dyan pppd[983]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1
Nov 12 10:16:23 dyan pppd[983]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
  ]Nov 12 10:16:53 dyan pppd[983]: LCP: timeout 
sending Config-Requests
Nov 12 10:16:53 dyan pppd[983]: Connection terminated.
Nov 12 10:16:54 dyan pppd[983]: Exit.
Nov 12 10:19:10 dyan pppd[1019]: pppd 2.4.1 started by claude, uid 1002
Nov 12 10:19:44 dyan pppd[1019]: Serial connection established.
Nov 12 10:19:44 dyan pppd[1019]: using channel 2
Nov 12 10:19:44 dyan pppd[1019]: Using interface ppp0
Nov 12 10:19:44 dyan pppd[1019]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1
Nov 12 10:19:45 dyan pppd[1019]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
  ]Nov 12 10:19:57 dyan pppd[1019]: sent [LCP ConfReq 
id=0x1 
  ]Nov 12 10:19:59 dyan pppd[1019]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq 
id=0x1 
]Nov 12 10:19:59 dyan pppd[1019]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 
]
Nov 12 10:20:00 dyan pppd[1019]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
  ]Nov 12 10:20:12 dyan pppd[1019]: sent [LCP ConfReq 
id=0x1 
  ]Nov 12 10:20:15 dyan pppd[1019]: LCP: timeout 
sending Config-Requests
Nov 12 10:20:15 dyan pppd[1019]: Connection terminated.
Nov 12 10:20:16 dyan pppd[1019]: Exit.
Nov 12 10:28:56 dyan pppd[1123]: pppd 2.4.1 started by claude, uid 1002
Nov 12 10:29:43 dyan pppd[1123]: Serial connection established.
Nov 12 10:29:43 dyan pppd[1123]: using channel 3
Nov 12 10:29:43 dyan pppd[1123]: Using interface ppp0
Nov 12 10:29:43 dyan pppd[1123]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1
Nov 12 10:29:44 dyan pppd[1123]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
  ]Nov 12 10:29:44 dyan pppd[1123]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq 
id=0x1 
]Nov 12 10:29:44 dyan pppd[1123]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 
]
Nov 12 10:29:44 dyan pppd[1123]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x2 
   ]Nov 12 10:29:44 
dyan pppd[1123]: sent [LCP ConfNak id=0x2 ]
Nov 12 10:29:44 dyan pppd[1123]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 
   ]Nov 12 10:29:44 dyan 
pppd[1123]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x3 
   ]Nov 12 10:29:47 dyan 
pppd[1123]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
  ]Nov 12 10:29:47 dyan pppd[1123]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck 
id=0x1 
  ]Nov 12 10:29:47 dyan pppd[1123]: sent [LCP EchoReq 
id=0x0 magic=0x34062020]
Nov 12 10:29:47 dyan pppd[1123]: sent [PAP AuthReq id=0x1
user="fti/a7eHQUW" password=]Nov 12 10:29:47 dyan pppd[1123]: rcvd [LCP 
EchoRep id=0x0 magic=0x0]
Nov 12 10:29:47 dyan pppd[1123]: rcvd [PAP AuthAck id=0x1 ""]
Nov 12 10:29:47 dyan pppd[1123]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 
  ]Nov 12 10:29:48 dyan 
pppd[1123]: sent [CCP ConfReq id=0x1 
 ]Nov 12 10:29:48 dyan pppd[1123]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq 
id=0x1  ]Nov 12 10:29:48 dyan pppd[1123]: sent [IPCP ConfAck id=0x1 
 ]Nov 12 10:29:48 dyan pppd[1123]: rcvd [CCP ConfReq id=0x1 < 
11 06 00 01 01
03>]Nov 12 10:29:48 dyan pppd[1123]: sent [CCP ConfRej id=0x1 < 11 06 00 01 01
03>]Nov 12 10:29:48 dyan pppd[1123]: rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x1  ]
Nov 12 10:29:48 dyan pppd[1123]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x2]Nov 12 10:29:48 dyan pppd[1123]: rcvd [CCP ConfRej id=0x1 
 ]Nov 12 10:29:48 dyan pppd[1123]: sent [CCP ConfReq 
id=0x2]
Nov 12 10:29:48 dyan pppd[1123]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2]Nov 12 10:29:48 dyan pppd[1123]: Cannot determine ethe

Re: What is the password of "root" when first run after the installation of the base system!

[John Peter]

Nicolas Rueff wrote:

Ainsi parla Otto Wyss le 315ème jour de l'an 2003:

 

Since neither Sarge-i386-1 nor Knoppix nor Morphix was usable to
install a base system I took out Debian-3.0r1 and cleanly installed
it. Now I'm at the first run but I'm stuck at the Login prompt, I
simply don't know the password for root!?!
   

Hu, well, you should have entered it during the installation. Don't
remember ? Wow, Alzheimer is close ...
 

Can't this password just be written on the line before the Login?
   

Yes, of course. You can also send it to everyone on the Internet.

Another approach: echo "What's the password ?" | mail root  ;)
 

Sarcasm and funny lines don't help at all whoever is trying to
learn !
Those who have learned and know a lot now, please don't forget
that, at some stage, you had this and other kind of questions and
problems and they are all valid.
No one is born with infinit wisdom - some will learn quicker then
others, some will be more hardworking in learning then others - this
is one of the main features of humanity - diference !
Be human, help and get helped ( and don't expect a reward for it ) !

John

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Re: Identifying kernel soruce for 2.4.18-bf2.4

[John Peter]

Haines Brown wrote:

I need to have installed the kernel source in order to compile a
driver, but have difficulty finding the source for 2.4.18-bf2.4. Is
the answer that the "bf2.4" is just an addition, and that the kernel
source for my kernel is actually just 2.4.18?
Haines Brown

 

Could it be (and this is just a guess) that you forgot to include
a deb-src line in you souces.list file (/etc/apt/sources.list)?
John

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Re: Installing modem.

[John Peter]

Hoyt Bailey wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: "Kent West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 19:07
Subject: Re: Installing modem.

 

Hoyt Bailey wrote:

   

You say "ttyS3 is different from ttyS0 & ttyS1"; um, yes. They're
different files. Maybe you mean something else when you say they're
"different"?
   

Yes, from dmesg:
Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ
SERIAL_PCI enabled
ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
Redundant entry in serial pci_table.  Please send the output of
lspci -vv, this message (12b9,1008,12b9,00d3)
and the manufacturer and name of serial board or modem board
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ttyS04 at port 0xd000 (irq = 19) is a 16550A
 

It looks like you have two serial ports on your motherboard (00 & 01),
in addition to your modem on 04. Apparently the PCI bus is getting
confused somehow. You might want to go into the BIOS and temporarily
disable the built-in serial ports, and see what that does for you.
   

I have sent the requested message to the sourceforge.net. with a cc to
 

this
 

list.

 

Why are you trying to transfer dmesg to floppy? Without knowing the
exact command you used, as whom, in what directory, it's hard to say
what might have gone wrong with your copy attempt.
   

Because somewhere in the diddleing I came across dmesg as the log file
 

which
 

I didnt know and thought it might have something that would help.

 

But I'm unsure why you'd want to copy it to floppy. If you need it in a
file form, you can:
dmesg > dmesg.txt
and then copy dmesg.txt to wherever you want it, including floppy. If
you just want to see the dmesg messages, you can:
dmesg | more
   

I need to transport stuff to windows to make a hard copy &/or to include in
an emale.  Floppy is the only way I have to do that.
 

What happens with the command:
echo "ATDT555-1234" > /dev/ttyS3
   

Nothing absolutely nothing and I can hear my modem sending. Dont have
another number I can call.
 

This I don't understand; you say it's doing "nothing absolutely nothing"
and then immediately say you hear the modem sending, which means it's
doing something. Either it's doing nothing or it's doing something.
Which is it?
   

How about:  When and if the modem dials my ISP I can hear The modem output
untill a connection is made.  I can assure you the modem is doing nothing on
either ttys3 or ttys4.
 

I also assume you didn't really use the bogus number "555-1234"? You
want to use a real number, say to your cell phone, or a second line, or
to the local time & temperature (I didn't say that - no one can prove I
did) and listen to the modem speaker for the time/temp announcement. If
this works, that means the computer is seeing your modem, your modem is
seeing the phone line, and the modem can dial out.
   

I used both the bogus number and my ISP's number & nothing happened.  I dont
think the modem is smart enough to know wheather the number is valid or not
and a busy signal or error message from SBC is good enough. By the way the
town is too small for time & temp and cell phone service stops at my frount
door.  Outside it works inside forget it.
 

--
Kent
   

What program generated the connection between the modem's 8 I/O lines
d000-d007 and /dev/ttyS3 and what would happen if I rm /dev/ttyS4 and maybe
/dev/ttyS3 as well and remade, with MAKEDEV, ttyS3 and then run the program
that makes the original connection.
Regards;
Hoyt
 

I think it would be a good idea if you would try a diferent aproach.
Since you have some problems configuring it by hand, I suggest
using kppp wich is a very nice and userfriendly interface for configuring
modems and serial line connections.
In the times I used the phone line I used it and it would work on first
time ever !
Try it - apt-get install kppp
( I hope you have KDE, I don't kow if it will run as a standallone...)
John

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Re: regarding kernels

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 03:28:22PM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote:
> So, not compiling, is not a security risk ?

You should read the changelog to find that out.

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Re: kernel-2.6.0-test9 & USB 2.0 Question

[Peter Samek]

On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 05:12:43AM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
[...]
> Additional Problems with kernel-2.6.0-test9
>
>   Although I built the kernel with support for modules and ran
>   make modules and make modules_install the command lsmod reports
>   AP_MODULES are not installed.
>
>   Also there are serial ports, that is, no ttyS0 and ttyS1
>
> Tom

Do you have module-init-tools installed? You need this to be able to
load 2.6 modules.

Peter

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Re: file creation permissions

[Anita Lewis]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:38:38 -0800, Mike Egglestone wrote:
>
> I don't know if its possible to modify the ownership of a newly created file.
> He who creates, becomes owner. You can use the sgid bit to modify the group 
> permission to follow that of the parent directory.

I thought that is what the 's' bit in the owner part did.  What does it do
if it doesn't do that?

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update-rc.d

[Miguel Alvarez Blanco]

Hi,

I do not really know if this is a bug or a "feature", so I am not 
sending it as a bug report. The problem is fairly general, it has 
happened several times to me, although the last one was because of the 
ipmasq package.

I had the package installed in my system while I was using it to provide 
net access to another machine while on a single-IP net connection, but I 
no longer used it, so I just used update-rc.d to remove the links in 
rcS.d and avoid it running at startup. I did not want to erase it, since 
the machine is a laptop and I  may need it again sometime (I prefer not 
to remove packages, because I may need them in a circumstance in which I 
do not have net access).

However, it seems that there was some update in the woody package (maybe 
security related) in the last months, and so I automatically upgraded 
it. The update re-installed the scripts in rcS.d, but since I did not 
shut down the machine for some time, I did not notice it. Yesterday, I 
had to boot windoze to use the parallel port scanner (pity it does not 
work with sane or vmware), and after reboot I had no net connection. 
Now, it took me some time to realize that evverything was right in the 
net scripts, until I went to look with iptables, and notice that the 
ipmasq script was there again.

Sure, it took me less than five minutes to remove the script again and 
put everything in order, but I think that it is annoying. So, this is my 
question: is there another way of keeping a package around without it 
actually updating the startup scripts whenever it is upgraded? If not, 
it may be that some "update-rc.d record" file should be kept, in order 
not to change back startup files that the sysadmin may have modified or 
erased for some reason. As I said, it has happened several times, so 
this is not an isolated problem of the ipmasq package, but rather 
something in the general usage of the Debian system (which I really like 
in most other respects: brilliant job!). If I am missing something, 
please do tell me, preferably by answering this e-mail (I will follow-up 
to the list to keep everyone informed).

Thanks,

  Miguel

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Re: update-rc.d

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Miguel Alvarez Blanco wrote:
> I do not really know if this is a bug or a "feature", so I am not 

update-rc.d is working as intended. Read its manpage about how you as the
local admin should interact with it.

In particular, update-rc.d is to be used ONLY by the packaging system, not
by the local admin.

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Re: G550 and 3D acceleration

[Roberto Sanchez]

Piers Kittel wrote:
Hello Roberto;

 > nForce2 GART support is in 2.4.22 and newer kernels.  The nVidia
 > drivers have been modified (via a patch) to compile against 2.5.x and
 > 2.6.x kernels.  If you want I can email you the patch, or you can
 > Goolge for it, or search the threads at nforcershq.com.
Aha.  Got a bit confused there for a bit, as I've got the 2.4.20 kernel 
patched to 2.4.21, couldn't see the option in "make menuconfig", then 
realised you're talking about the .22 not the .21 kernel!  Doh. 
Compiling the 2.4.22 kernel at the moment, although can't reboot the 
computer as am at work and SSH'ing into my PC - can't recompile network 
card drivers without network card support ;)  But will sort it out 
tonight.  Hopefully that'll work now.

Hope it works out.

 > modeversions.h is only present after you make
 > [config|oldconfig|xconfig] and then 'make dep'
Aha.  But with the 2.6.0 kernel you don't have to do "make dep" - if I 
want modversions.h should I do a "make dep" or best get a patch for the 
nVidia drivers?  Might stick with the 2.4.22 kernel as it does have 
support for the NForce2 chipset.

Not sure on the 2.6 kernel.  I run it on my laptop, but it doesn't have
anything exotic that I use (I don't use the winmodem anymore).  So I
just compile and install at one shteo.

 > Also, what is in the Xfree86 log?

Which part exactly do you need to see?  If the whole lot, what's the 
best way to get it over?

Post it on the web. :-)

Thanks very much for your help so far :)

Cheers - Piers

-Roberto


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Exim4 configuration

[Papadopoulos Alexis]

Hi all! I'm somehow new to Debian and therefor new to exim (I've been
using sendmail which was actually configured by yast2). Now I'm trying to
set up exim to send my mails directly without using an external SMTP
server...

I an error message (I've used the internet option in Exim4 configuration
made by debconf) when trying to send a message (I don't have one right now
since I'm not on my computer but will have one tonight).

Anyway, someone knows how to get exim4 send mail outside without the use
of a SMTP server ? (I tried their site but it was much complicated, I
don't have enough strengh to read all the documentation, and even if I did
I don't know if I would understand everything).

Thanks in advance


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Re: mailfilter bug?

[Brian Walker]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:10:18 +0800, kmark+debian wrote:



> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> 
>> csj wrote:
>> > Before I file a bug report, I'd like to confirm the behavior I
>> > describe below.
>> >
>> > I have in my my ~/.mailfilterrc a DENY rule for "^Subject:.*Test" and
>> > ALLOW rules for "marssociety" and "marssocietynewsletter":
>> >
>> > $ grep -Ei 'test|marssociety' ~/.mailfilterrc DENY=^Subject:.*Test
>> > ALLOW=^To:.*marssocietynewsletter
>> > ALLOW=^Reply-To:.*marssociety
>> > ALLOW=^Subject:.*marssociety
>> >
>> > I found out this morning that an email with the word "Contest" in the
>> > Subject was deleted by mailfilter (according to my log).  The email
>> > also had "[marssocietynewsletter]" in the Subject and I suspect,
>> > given the format of previous communications, also "marssociety" in
>> > the Reply-To.  The email therefore should have passed two of my ALLOW
>> > rules.
>> >
>> > Shouldn't the ALLOW rule (allow all emails with "marssociety" in the
>> > Subject) take precedence over the DENY rule (delete all emails
>> > containing with the word or word part "test")?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> I don't know much about mailfilter, but it seems as though the rules
>> are being applied in the order encountered.  You may need to move yoru
>> DENY rule to a position after the ALLOW rules. Just a thought.
>>
>> -Roberto
>>
> Hi,
> Since swen, I started using mailfiter with differing degrees of success.
> I tried to look at the basic docs and there is no explicit mention of
> the way the rules are evaluated. top down, bottom up, allow then deny,
> etc. Unless someone knows of docs i've missed, i'd say peek at the
> source.
> -Kev
> 

I set up mailfilter in response to swen. I found that the ponly way to
stop them was by limiting size. All other rules set in DENY or ALLOW
seemed to be non-functional. In the end, I unset the size command, put a
local rule for spamassassin in ~./spamassassin/user_preferences/local.cf
for this:

score MICROSOFT_EXECUTABLE 10

Now then - why were the .mailfilterrc rules unable to screen the crap? 

All the best,

Brian


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Re: mailfilter bug?

[Clive Menzies]

On (12/11/03 20:53), Brian Walker wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:10:18 +0800, kmark+debian wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> >> csj wrote:
> >> > Before I file a bug report, I'd like to confirm the behavior I
> >> > describe below.
> >> >
> >> > I have in my my ~/.mailfilterrc a DENY rule for "^Subject:.*Test" and
> >> > ALLOW rules for "marssociety" and "marssocietynewsletter":
> >> >
> >> > $ grep -Ei 'test|marssociety' ~/.mailfilterrc DENY=^Subject:.*Test
> >> > ALLOW=^To:.*marssocietynewsletter
> >> > ALLOW=^Reply-To:.*marssociety
> >> > ALLOW=^Subject:.*marssociety
> >> >
> >> > I found out this morning that an email with the word "Contest" in the
> >> > Subject was deleted by mailfilter (according to my log).  The email
> >> > also had "[marssocietynewsletter]" in the Subject and I suspect,
> >> > given the format of previous communications, also "marssociety" in
> >> > the Reply-To.  The email therefore should have passed two of my ALLOW
> >> > rules.
> >> >
> >> > Shouldn't the ALLOW rule (allow all emails with "marssociety" in the
> >> > Subject) take precedence over the DENY rule (delete all emails
> >> > containing with the word or word part "test")?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> I don't know much about mailfilter, but it seems as though the rules
> >> are being applied in the order encountered.  You may need to move yoru
> >> DENY rule to a position after the ALLOW rules. Just a thought.
> >>
> >> -Roberto
> >>
> > Hi,
> > Since swen, I started using mailfiter with differing degrees of success.
> > I tried to look at the basic docs and there is no explicit mention of
> > the way the rules are evaluated. top down, bottom up, allow then deny,
> > etc. Unless someone knows of docs i've missed, i'd say peek at the
> > source.
> > -Kev
> > 
> 
> I set up mailfilter in response to swen. I found that the ponly way to
> stop them was by limiting size. All other rules set in DENY or ALLOW
> seemed to be non-functional. In the end, I unset the size command, put a
> local rule for spamassassin in ~./spamassassin/user_preferences/local.cf
> for this:
> 
> score MICROSOFT_EXECUTABLE 10
> 
> Now then - why were the .mailfilterrc rules unable to screen the crap? 
Some people on the list have used mailfilter successfully to filter
swen (without limiting size).  There have been a number of mailfilterrc
files posted and should be available through the archive.

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apt-get/xscreensaver problem

[Piers Kittel]

Hello all

Needed to do an "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and it finished, but 
noted an error, so did an "apt-get -f install", and get the following:

desire:~# apt-get -f install
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  xscreensaver
Suggested packages:
  xscreensaver-gl streamer
Recommended packages:
  xloadimage libjpeg-progs
The following packages will be upgraded
  xscreensaver
1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 60 not upgraded.
343 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B/2865kB of archives.
After unpacking 975kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
(Reading database ... 65787 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace xscreensaver 4.05-10woody1 (using 
.../xscreensaver_4.12-1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement xscreensaver ...
dpkg: error processing 
/var/cache/apt/archives/xscreensaver_4.12-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/share/xscreensaver/config/fireflies.xml', 
which is also in package fireflies
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/xscreensaver_4.12-1_i386.deb
localepurge: checking system for new locale ...
Some new locales have appeared on your system:

ne

They will not be touched until you reconfigure localepurge
with the following command:
dpkg-reconfigure localepurge

localepurge: processing locale files ...
localepurge: processing man pages ...
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
desire:~#
So what am I doing wrong here?

Thanks very much for your help in advance

Cheers - Piers

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Re: freelance sysadmining [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[Vikki Roemer]

On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 05:44:16PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
> great idea and plan ... but ... 
> 
>   - everybody can do this ??? and does ...

Not total newbies who view computers as a tool.  They don't know how to
compile a kernel or set up a firewall-- most of them prolly have barely
heard of firewalls.

> i see more things done, explicitly mentioned on the "basic plan" than on
> the "premium plan" ??

I'm still figuring out what a home user would need done on their computer
that I could do over ssh-- I just came up with this plan tonight, actually.
Also, note I'm mainly targeting home users at this point, though businesses
are welcome to subscribe. ;)

> > > Premium Plan:
> > > You get the basic plan, plus I will install/compile and configure any
> > > packages you want.
> 
> installing is anywhere from 5 minutes to 5 hrs ... or 5 days ( raidtesting )
>   - depending on who is installing it
>   - depending on the hardware you're trying to install it on
>   - depending on how much they're paying for installing
>   - depending on how the system will be used 
>   - depending on the buyers paranoia level
>   - depending on security and backup process/proceedures
>   - depending on network, computer use policies

Most of that only applies to businesses.

You mentioned backups-- how can I do backups over a network?  Do I use ftp?
I've heard of using ftp to backup computers, but I've never had any
experiencee using it.

Also, what do you mean by 'paranoia level'?  Whether the client wants
SELinux as opposed to a simple locked-down out-of-the-box install?

> and if you do want to muddy their pond waters with more "what ifs":
> 
> - how much for email support to convince me/them to go with you vs
>   other competitors

Email support is included in all plans. (Note to self: spell that out on the
website...)

> - how much for 1hr turn around vs 4hr turn around vs 8 hr turn around
>vs 1 weke turnaround

Hmm, I think I will have a third, 'emergency', option, where the customer
doesn't necessarily have to be a subscriber, and they get a response in
under 6 hours.  For subscribers, the longest they'll have to wait is 24
hours (unless something comes up, of course).

> - how much for tons of email questions vs once a week email questions

I'll have to think about that one.  As it is now, they'd both get charged
the same.

> - how much for phone calls vs did they already go thru the checklis first
>   before they made the phone tech support call  which is typically
>   10x more expensive than an email tech support incoming call

I'm not sure I'd give them the phone number (I don't answer my phone, though
I would start answering it if I had to).  I also don't know what should be
on this checklist-- suggestions?

> - how much for installation support vs come fix this after somebody 
>   else tried and failed vs  the box keeps crashing support

Same cost, ATM.

> - how much for one time support, vs ongoing monthly contracts, vs
>   task based contracts vs "emergency come fix it now" support

The numbers I've been thinking about are: basic subscription plan-- $30/mo.,
premium subscription plan-- $50/mo., emergency support-- $25/hr.

> - how much for daily backups ?? 
>   ( the only thing most people care about )

Depends on how/if I can do them over a network, since I'm prolly not going
to be making house calls for home users or for businesses (unless I get a
business in the RTP area-- that's only ~5 hours away).

> - how much for per-minute system security checking 
>   ( the only thing you should be worried about to protect their data)

What exactly do you mean by 'per-minute system security checking'?  Running
a security audit (either manually or with tiger), or just keeping tabs on
the system  logs with 'tail -f'?  Or both?

> and how about some free sample answers to the problems we're having ??

I'll think about it...

> and how about "my disk crashed 10 minutes ago", please come and fix
> it now, as we have a meeting in 3 hrs that i need to make a presentation
> of that data 

Well, I can't 'come and fix it' 'cause I'd be dealing with them over the
internet.  How would you deal with that situation?  I'd deal with it with--
I'd say I could restore the file from last night's backup (though he'd have
to retype what he did today) if he had another computer he could use.  And
I'd buy a new HD, reinstall whatever distro he was using, and restore it
with the backups, and fedex it to him.  Does that sound about  right?

> and how about security patches ?

Covered under both plans.

> and how about backups ?

I'd have to learn how to do that over a network.  As I said, would I use
FTP?

> and did the laywers on both sides bless the "contract"

What lawyer?  I'm just going to be dealing with (mainly) home users.  I
don't think they'd have a lawyer, unless  I totally screwed up and they
decided to sue me.  And I don't think I'd need a lawyer till then?

> and even if it was, can you c

Re: update-rc.d

[Miguel Alvarez Blanco]

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
update-rc.d is working as intended. Read its manpage about how you as the
local admin should interact with it.
In particular, update-rc.d is to be used ONLY by the packaging system, not
by the local admin.
Thanks for the quick response. However, I am not sure if I understand 
correctly. The manpage only states that:

a) if the sysadmin wants to fiddle with the links, he may do so 
(presumably by hand?) and the packaging system will not touch them 
*provided the sysadmin leaves at least one of the links*. Now, I can see 
how to use this to remove all but an unreachable link (i.e., a K99ipmasq 
link in an unused runlevel) so that the system does not touch them, but 
I do think that it is very ugly, tricking the system and not fixing it.

b) update-rc.d will remove its links if requested and the script is not 
there (well, or if -f is used as I do), if its first argument is purge, 
so that the user has requested the configuration to be removed. Now, 
this is just what I do not want to do: I want to leave the package in 
the system, so that re-activating it does not require net access (a bit 
silly with ipmasq, I know, but as I said this is general).

As I said in the first message, I do not know how to keep a package 
installed in the system and yet be able to de-activate its startup 
scripts, sort of like leaving it unconfigured. I am sorry, but although 
I try to read as much documentation as I have available, in many cases 
the problem is to know where to look. I have not seen anywhere that 
update-rc.d is intended only for the packaging system, for example, and 
indeed I only came across the update-rc.d script while trying to 
configure the startup behavior of the system and reading the /etc/init.d 
scripts directly.

I would really like to know if there is such thing as a Debian system's 
administration guide that documents all of the clever scripts and 
schemes that all of you implement: I really would like to know the way 
in which the /etc/network scripts are intended to be used or modified, 
for example, in order to couple them with things like netenv for laptop 
alternative startup configuration, or PCMCIA/hotplug interaction, or ... 
In summary, I need pointers to the appropriate documents, or, more 
properly, meta-documents that guide me through the sea of configuration 
scripts, not how each of them works. Man pages are fine for each one of 
the scripts, but the man pages are not very good for the interaction of 
many scripts.

Thanks again for your help,

  Miguel

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Re: freelance sysadmining [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[Vikki Roemer]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:03:12AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> 
> ..you lost your Wintendo-vs-Linux paper, url?

http://neuromancer.homelinux.com/~vikki/windowsvlinux.html

> > Basic Plan:
> > When a patch for your distro is released, I will patch the system. I
> > will also set up a firewall customized for your needs. Whenever you
> > feel you need a kernel upgrade, I'll custom-compile a new kernel for
> > your system.
> 
> ..cut this in 2 parts (basic and kernel?), KISS.  ;-)

Aight, that sound good.  $10 per kernel upgrade?

> > Two questions now: is there anything else I should offer with either
> > plan? And, how much do you think I should charge monthly (in USD)?
> 
> ..listen to Tom and Ron, start out low till you have "enough" work, 
> then hoist your prices to control the work flow.  Price yourself out of 
> the boring stuff.  No warranties, other than on hardware and "from a
> backup", or you'll have Bill Gates shills ram it down your throat.

Aight, that sounds  like a really good plan.

> ..and, do team up with somebody, your clients wants things fixed "right
> now" when you're busy, and you can sell your own vacant time.

That'll be tough-- I'm (AFAIK) the only person in my area who's ever used a
Linux box for any significant amount of time.   I have been thinking about
that, though, 'cause you're right-- there are times I'll want to go out or
something, and I need someone to work while I'm out.

> ..802.11 connectivity plans in your area?  Fast piping is not all that
> cheap.  ;-)  

Sometime within the first half of next year I'm going to be getting
home-class ADSL (I'll upgrade to business class when I start making some
money).  I should be done with high school and have ADSL by the time this
idea catches on.  I hope.

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Re: apt-get/xscreensaver problem

[Marc Wilson]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 01:31:24PM +, Piers Kittel wrote:
> Needed to do an "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and it finished, but 
> noted an error, so did an "apt-get -f install", and get the following:



> So what am I doing wrong here?

The unofficial package 'fireflies' is flawed.  This is not Debian's fault.
Remove it.  It is not the responsibility of an official package to attempt
to avoid conflicts with some hacked up unofficial package.

Why you think you need to use localepurge, I have no idea at all.

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ntop (Sid) dies...

[Wolfgang Lonien]

Hi group (list),

I have the following problem:

2 identical machines, both with ntop (on Sid). One of them runs like a
breeze, the other one dies frequently.

Syslog is telling me:

Nov 12 14:40:21 snint ntop[16427]: **FATAL_ERROR** webserver: 
caught signal 13 SIGPIPE
Nov 12 14:40:21 snint ntop[16427]: **FATAL_ERROR** webserver: 
BACKTRACE: backtrace is:
Nov 12 14:40:21 snint ntop[16427]: **FATAL_ERROR** webserver: 
BACKTRACE:   
1. /lib/libpthread.so.0 [0x404197f5]
Nov 12 14:40:21 snint ntop[16427]: **FATAL_ERROR** webserver: 
BACKTRACE:   
2. /lib/libc.so.6 [0x40624498]
Nov 12 14:40:21 snint ntop[16427]: **FATAL_ERROR** webserver: 
BACKTRACE:   
3. /usr/lib/ntop/libntopreport-2.2c.so(sendString+0x2e) [0x4003314e]

I checked the modules mentioned here (i.e. libpthread); they are identical,
too.

So my question is: how can I further investigate what's happening?

TIA,
wjl


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Re: mailfilter bug?

[Brian Potkin]

On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 07:43:42PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> Since swen, I started using mailfiter with differing degrees of
> success. I tried to look at the basic docs and there is no explicit mention of
> the way the rules are evaluated. top down, bottom up, allow then deny,
> etc. Unless someone knows of docs i've missed, i'd say peek at the
> source.

man mailfilterrc: ALLOW = expression
  DENY = expression
  SCORE value = expression

man mailfilterex: Defining Friends

If you think there is a lack of clarity in the documentation why not
devise changes and propose them to the developers?

Brian.


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Re: mailfilter bug?

[Brian Potkin]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 08:53:49PM +0800, Brian Walker wrote:

> I set up mailfilter in response to swen. I found that the ponly way to
> stop them was by limiting size. All other rules set in DENY or ALLOW
> seemed to be non-functional. In the end, I unset the size command, put a
> local rule for spamassassin in ~./spamassassin/user_preferences/local.cf
> for this:
> 
> score MICROSOFT_EXECUTABLE 10

Strange!  As an example the rules (amongst others)

DENY_CASE=^(FROM|^TO|SUBJECT)
DENY_CASE=^(From|FROM):.*(MS)
DENY=^From:.*(Microsoft)

did an excellent job here.  This was with REG_CASE=no and
REG_TYPE=extended.
 
> Now then - why were the .mailfilterrc rules unable to screen the crap?

You would have to reveal rather more information about what you had in
your .mailfilterrc to get a useful answer.

Brian.


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Re: kde in "testing" ?

[Henrik Christian Grove]

stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 03:28:30PM -0900, Greg Madden wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> > 
> > On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:55 pm, stan wrote:

> > > Calculating Upgrade... Done
> > > The following packages will be REMOVED:
> > >   ark kab karm kate kcalc kcharselect kchart kcoloredit kcron kdebase
> > > kdebase-libs kdepasswd kdf kdict kdm kedit kfind kformula kfract
> > > kghostview khexedit kiconedit kit kivio kjots kmail knewsticker knode
> > > knotes koffice koffice-libs konqueror konsole kontour korn koshell
> > > kpackage kpaint kpm kpresenter kruler kscreensaver ksirc ksnapshot
> > > kspread ksysv ktimer kugar kuser kview kword libarts libkdenetwork1
> > > libkmid libkonq3 libvorbis0 secpolicy xmmsarts
> > >
> > > That looks pretty bad to me.
> > >
> > > Am I mistaken?
> > 
> > It depends, do you have KDE 2.x installed, or some other backport ? If 
> > so KDE 3 went into testing about a week ago and will replace any 
> > existing KDE install. I don't know why it wants to remove as opposed to 
> > upgrade, not enough info.
> 
> Pure box stock Debain, no odd backports, or anything.
> 
> What addtioanl info can I provide?

I see almost the same thing (not quite the same list of packages). 
The only package `apt-get dist-upgrade` wanted to update was libarts1
which replaces libarts, but along with that it wanted to remove (almost)
everything related to kde. 

Trying to `apt-get install libarts1` it just wanted to remove libarts
(which is quite an obvious thing to do), kbattleship and libkmid. 

Finding that libarts1-dev replaces libkmid, I then tried `apt-get
install libarts1 libarts1-dev`, that wanted to remove libqt3-dev which
has been replaced by libqt3-compat-headers (which are
suggested/recommended by that apt-get command).

I finally decided to actually do an `apt-get install libarts1
libarts1-dev libqt3-compat-headers`, which resulted in the removal of
kbattleship. 

Then `apt-get dist-upgrade` wanted to upgrade libprm4 to a version that
conflicts with kpackage, I allowed that too. 

As far as I can tell the problems preventing an upgrade of kde is:

- koffice (e.g. kchart) is waiting for glibc. 
- kpm has been replaced by ksysguard, which depends on ksysguardd which
  in turn depends on the non-existant libsensors-1debian1
- kdemultiedia (e.g. kscd) is just a mess (0 days old, RC-bugs, lots of
  packages not yet compiled on non-i386).
- kdeartwork (e.g. kscreensaver) is out of date on arm and mips.
- kdepim (karm, knotes and korganizer) is out of date on mips.
- kfract only exists in stable (+security)

In the 'probably not a problem' category, are a few packages that have
been replaced:
- kenolaba replaces kabalone
- kdelibs-data replaces several packages (e.g. kontour)
- libkdenetwork2-dev replaces libkdenetwork1
- libkonq4 replaces libkonq3
The 'probably' is due to the fact that I can't tell if these packages
would be installed if the above problems were solved.

In the 'I don't really know how this should be' category, I wonder if
libkdegames1 should replace libkdegames.

.Henrik

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Re: freelance sysadmining [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[BruceG]

Vikki - your plan sounds god to me! I looked at your website a while back
and was pretty impressed. Along the way I decided to mess with Debian (I was
running Mandrake on my desktop and switched to SuSE 8.2 Personal, and
running dual-boot WinXP/Red Hat 9.0 on my work laptop).

Anyway - you might want to include a few distributions, as not everyone may
be interested in Debian. I found Mandrake, SuSE and Red Hatto have a very
good look and feel. With RHL moving towards Project Fedora, and Fedora Core
at 1.0 - you may see interest in both Debian and Fedora.

Anyway - as you get your home DSL line in, see if you can get some
expereince in home wireless networking. It sounds simple - buy a WAP and
your done. It's not that simple under Linux. I went through a wireless PCI
802.11B card for my laptop. Worked in Windows, not Linux. It was Linksys
version 2.6, and I needed version 2.5. Found the same with a wireless
802.11B USB adapter. Tested an 802.11A/B/G card and got it working on SuSE
8.2 with madwifi drivers. Response was slow. Finally bought a WET11 bridge,
and I just bridge it in.

Only reason I'm bringing it up is that once a client (or friend) has DSL in,
and if they have a laptop - they will bring up wireless.

The other thing to look at is volunteering at a church, or if you are part
of a homeschool group. Maybe put up a website or a forum, and use that
experience to fill out your resume.

I found that volunteering gives me experience in things I don't do that
often: replaced hard drives, PD's LAN infrasctructure and replaced defective
hubs (bad power and too many hits), replaced bad cable, set up a Payroll PC
(don't forget power-up passwords and disk passwords for those kinds of
animals).

Finally - it might be cool to do a desktop install on a PC for your church
or whatever civic group you might belong to. I found that our church got
some donated PC's and re-uses them. My next project is to install Linux on
one, just to give a taste of what it is and what it does.


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Re: Booting Sarge Netinst CD

[David Gaudine]

On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 08:25 PM, David Gaudine wrote:

Has anyone tried making and booting to a CD using
   
http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/sarge-i386-netinst-iso 
?
I forgot to specify that I mean the one that's dated Nov 9.

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SSH update problem?

[Piers Kittel]

Hello all

I note that I'm using SSH version 3.6.1p2 but I note there's version 
3.7.1 out - how do I update it to that?  I downloaded 3.7.1, compiled 
and installed it, while doing a "ssh -V" shows 3.7.1, doing an 
"/etc/sbin/sshd -v" shows version 3.6.1.  How do I update the server 
properly?  Or shouldn't I bother updating it?

Thanks very much for your advice in advance

Cheers - Piers

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Securing Debian

[Rick Weinbender]

I have an email server (qmail running on debian),
that I need to make as secure as possible.
Can anyone point me to some good links that
relate to security?

Has anyone used bastille?  What do you think
of it?

Thanks,
-Rick


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Re: SVGATextMode

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Pigeon wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 03:22:49PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:




You really need an answer from someone who uses svgatextmode on your
video card; I don't have an nvidia card so can't be specifically
helpful.
Do your other systems that still work use the same video card?

Can you give a more detailed description of how the display is "messed
up"?
I did at one point find that setting 100x37 on bootup failed because
the timings were out and the monitor wouldn't sync to it. The solution
was to modify the bootup script to set 100x37, then set 80x25, then
set 100x37 again, and it would get the timings right on the second
attempt.
Have you tried (a) experimenting with slower dot clocks while keeping
all other values the same, or (b) changing the width of the sync pulses?
Thanks for answering!

This is the DUMBEST... :-(

I started installing from scratch again.
The debian 3.01a root disk, because it is woody, first puts up all the 
woody sources.
I then change that to Sarge and run update again on a second vt.

Then... It occurred to me:
I forgot to run dist-upgrade on the basedebs of woody that got installed!
It has all the console stuff: console-tools-libs that doesn't exist in 
Sarge but libconsole does, console-date, console-common, console-tools, 
they all get replaced by Sarge.

So I just did an dist-upgrade on the already completed system with the 
bad looking SVGATextMode, and... bingo!~fixed!

Looks great...
I use s100x48, is super fast and looks great, have a red border around 
the console too...

Hugo.







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apt-get/xscreensaver problem

[Piers Kittel]

Marc,

> The unofficial package 'fireflies' is flawed.  This is not Debian's
> fault. Remove it.  It is not the responsibility of an official package
> to attempt to avoid conflicts with some hacked up unofficial package.
desire:~# apt-get remove --purge fireflies
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  xscreensaver: Depends: xscreensaver-gnome (= 4.05-10woody1) or
 xscreensaver-nognome (= 4.05-10woody1)
  xscreensaver-gnome: Depends: xscreensaver (> 4.09-3) but 
4.05-10woody1 is to be installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or 
specify a solution).
desire:~#

Thanks again

Cheers - Piers

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SCO binaries on Debian

[Marco Antonio V. Assad]

Hi all,

I'm trying to run some SCO Openserver 5 binaries on Debian 3.0r1, with kernel
2.4.18, in a Pentium machine. I've installed 'icbs-base', and tried to run the
binary, but all I get is 'cannot execute binary file'. If I run the 'file'
command on the binary, I get '80386 COFF executable'.

Any help? Maybe I have to manually load some module in this kernel version?

Thanks in advance.


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dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 question

[Jimmy Johansson]

Hi,

I tried to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 yesterday expecting it to
create a new XF86Config-4 file, but it didn't. I moved the old
XF86Config-4 to my /home/ directory and ran dpkg-reconfigure
xserver-xfree86. Am I supposed to do something else?

I am asking because I want to try some different settings but I don't
want to do it by hand...

Thank you in advance.

/Jimmy


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Re: SSH update problem?

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:48:47PM +, Piers Kittel wrote:
> I note that I'm using SSH version 3.6.1p2 but I note there's version 
> 3.7.1 out - how do I update it to that?  I downloaded 3.7.1, compiled 
> and installed it, while doing a "ssh -V" shows 3.7.1, doing an 
> "/etc/sbin/sshd -v" shows version 3.6.1.  How do I update the server 
> properly?  Or shouldn't I bother updating it?

Debian's ssh package is already patched with the security updates in
3.7.1. If you try updating it wholesale to 3.7 yourself, be very
careful; you'll likely run into problems with PAM support, which is why
the unstable package hasn't yet been upgraded.

Cheers,

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Re: apt-get/xscreensaver problem

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 03:10:20PM +, Piers Kittel wrote:
> Marc,
> 
> > The unofficial package 'fireflies' is flawed.  This is not Debian's
> > fault. Remove it.  It is not the responsibility of an official package
> > to attempt to avoid conflicts with some hacked up unofficial package.
> 
> desire:~# apt-get remove --purge fireflies

  dpkg --purge fireflies

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Re: Booting Sarge Netinst CD

[Greg Madden]

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On Wednesday 12 November 2003 05:45 am, David Gaudine wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 08:25 PM, David Gaudine wrote:
> > Has anyone tried making and booting to a CD using
> >
> > http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/sarge-i386-netinst-
> >iso ?
>
> I forgot to specify that I mean the one that's dated Nov 9.

http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/i386/sarge-i386-netinst.iso 

This one works here, it is dated Nov 9.
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Re: Securing Debian

[Kjetil Kjernsmo]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 16:19, Rick Weinbender wrote:
> I have an email server (qmail running on debian),
> that I need to make as secure as possible.
> Can anyone point me to some good links that
> relate to security?

Have you read 
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/
It was where I started, anyway...

> Has anyone used bastille? 

Yup, installed it...

>What do you think of it?

Did a manual setup and answered the questions to the best of my 
abilities... I didn't really understand a lot, but I guess it might 
help anyway... :-) 

(bad name for a hardening tool, BTW, or what do the French here think?)

Cheers,

Kjetil
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Re: Securing Debian

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Rick Weinbender (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> I have an email server (qmail running on debian),
> that I need to make as secure as possible.
> Can anyone point me to some good links that
> relate to security?

You might want to take a look at the securing debian howto that is part
of the harden-doc package.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Securing Debian

[Benedict Verheyen]

> I have an email server (qmail running on debian),
> that I need to make as secure as possible.
> Can anyone point me to some good links that
> relate to security?
>
> Has anyone used bastille?  What do you think
> of it?
>
> Thanks,
> -Rick

I used bastille in the past and found it to do
it's job quite well.
You may als look at:
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html

Personally i do this to harden a server:
- remove all unnecessary software
- add firewall script
- run bastille (hardening)
- install file integrity checker (i'm testing samhain at the moment)
- install snort
- install logchecker

Regards,
Benedict


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Re: Booting Sarge Netinst CD

[David Gaudine]

On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 10:42 AM, Greg Madden wrote:
http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/i386/sarge-i386- 
netinst.iso

This one works here, it is dated Nov 9.
Thanks.  That's the one I used (I mistyped the link).  Strange.  As a  
test
of my CD burning, and in a classic waste of bandwidth, I  burned the
unofficial full CD from the Hungary site.  It worked.  Then I tried and  
failed
again with the netinst CD.

David

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Re: Installing modem.

[Hoyt Bailey]

- Original Message - 
From: "John Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 05:36
Subject: Re: Installing modem.


> Hoyt Bailey wrote:
>
> >- Original Message - 
> >From: "Kent West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 19:07
> >Subject: Re: Installing modem.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> You say "ttyS3 is different from ttyS0 & ttyS1"; um, yes. They're
> different files. Maybe you mean something else when you say they're
> "different"?
> 
> 
> 
> >>>Yes, from dmesg:
> >>>Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ
> >>>SERIAL_PCI enabled
> >>>ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
> >>>ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
> >>>Redundant entry in serial pci_table.  Please send the output of
> >>>lspci -vv, this message (12b9,1008,12b9,00d3)
> >>>and the manufacturer and name of serial board or modem board
> >>>to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>ttyS04 at port 0xd000 (irq = 19) is a 16550A
> >>>
> >>>
> >>It looks like you have two serial ports on your motherboard (00 & 01),
> >>in addition to your modem on 04. Apparently the PCI bus is getting
> >>confused somehow. You might want to go into the BIOS and temporarily
> >>disable the built-in serial ports, and see what that does for you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I have sent the requested message to the sourceforge.net. with a cc to
> >>>
> >>>
> >this
> >
> >
> >>>list.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> Why are you trying to transfer dmesg to floppy? Without knowing the
> exact command you used, as whom, in what directory, it's hard to say
> what might have gone wrong with your copy attempt.
> 
> 
> 
> >>>Because somewhere in the diddleing I came across dmesg as the log file
> >>>
> >>>
> >which
> >
> >
> >>>I didnt know and thought it might have something that would help.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>But I'm unsure why you'd want to copy it to floppy. If you need it in a
> >>file form, you can:
> >>dmesg > dmesg.txt
> >>and then copy dmesg.txt to wherever you want it, including floppy. If
> >>you just want to see the dmesg messages, you can:
> >>dmesg | more
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I need to transport stuff to windows to make a hard copy &/or to include
in
> >an emale.  Floppy is the only way I have to do that.
> >
> >
> >
> What happens with the command:
> echo "ATDT555-1234" > /dev/ttyS3
> 
> 
> >>>Nothing absolutely nothing and I can hear my modem sending. Dont have
> >>>another number I can call.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>This I don't understand; you say it's doing "nothing absolutely nothing"
> >>and then immediately say you hear the modem sending, which means it's
> >>doing something. Either it's doing nothing or it's doing something.
> >>Which is it?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >How about:  When and if the modem dials my ISP I can hear The modem
output
> >untill a connection is made.  I can assure you the modem is doing nothing
on
> >either ttys3 or ttys4.
> >
> >
> >
> >>I also assume you didn't really use the bogus number "555-1234"? You
> >>want to use a real number, say to your cell phone, or a second line, or
> >>to the local time & temperature (I didn't say that - no one can prove I
> >>did) and listen to the modem speaker for the time/temp announcement. If
> >>this works, that means the computer is seeing your modem, your modem is
> >>seeing the phone line, and the modem can dial out.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I used both the bogus number and my ISP's number & nothing happened.  I
dont
> >think the modem is smart enough to know wheather the number is valid or
not
> >and a busy signal or error message from SBC is good enough. By the way
the
> >town is too small for time & temp and cell phone service stops at my
frount
> >door.  Outside it works inside forget it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-- 
> >>Kent
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >What program generated the connection between the modem's 8 I/O lines
> >d000-d007 and /dev/ttyS3 and what would happen if I rm /dev/ttyS4 and
maybe
> >/dev/ttyS3 as well and remade, with MAKEDEV, ttyS3 and then run the
program
> >that makes the original connection.
> >Regards;
> >Hoyt
> >
> >
>
> I think it would be a good idea if you would try a diferent aproach.
> Since you have some problems configuring it by hand, I suggest
> using kppp wich is a very nice and userfriendly interface for configuring
> modems and serial line connections.
> In the times I used the phone line I used it and it would work on first
> time ever !
> Try it - apt-get install kppp
> ( I hope you have KDE, I don't kow if it will run as a standallone...)
>
> John
>
Have KDE kppp not installed.  Installed with KDE Package Manager.  Ran it
and configured the modem. Pressed the connect button,  wouldnt you know, the
modem was busy.  That was a good idea how about another.
Regards;
Hoyt



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Re: apt-get/xscreensaver problem

[James Strandboge]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 10:10, Piers Kittel wrote:
> Marc,
> 
>  > The unofficial package 'fireflies' is flawed.  This is not Debian's
>  > fault. Remove it.  It is not the responsibility of an official package
>  > to attempt to avoid conflicts with some hacked up unofficial package.
> 
> desire:~# apt-get remove --purge fireflies
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>xscreensaver: Depends: xscreensaver-gnome (= 4.05-10woody1) or
>   xscreensaver-nognome (= 4.05-10woody1)
>xscreensaver-gnome: Depends: xscreensaver (> 4.09-3) but 
> 4.05-10woody1 is to be installed
> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or 
> specify a solution).
> desire:~#

Your xscreensaver appears to be from the gnome2.2 backport for woody. 
Either add the backport lines back into sources.list and run 'apt-get
update && apt-get -f install', or remove xscreensaver and install the
non-backport version.

Jamie  

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Re: ldconfig and hosing my system [SOLVED!]

[Bill Benedetto]

My original problem was that I had run ldconfig with a bogus
LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable setting and that hosed up my
/etc/ld.so.cache.

Matthias Hentges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and David Z Maze
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> both recommended booting knoppix and using
chroot to run ldconfig so as to update my hard disk's
/etc/ld.so.cache.  I did that very thing and it more or less
fixed my problem.

I say "more or less" because when I was trying to fix this
problem earlier, I had copied a libc.so.6 from another location
and had it in my /lib directory.  I also had my original
libc.so.6 in there.  What goofed me was that I had these
libc.6.so related files/links:
  libc.so.6 -> libc-2.2.5.so (link)
  libc.so.6-crap (file)

When I would run ldconfig, ldconfig would ignore the original
link and instead recreate the libc.so.6 link like this:
  libc.so.6 -> libc.so.6-crap (link)

When I rebooted with that combination, I would get the kernel
panic.  Once I figured that out, I just removed the
libc.so.6-crap and then ldconfig did the right thing.

So I pretty much shot myself in the foot early on trying to fix
this thing.

Thanks everyone for the help!

- Bill
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Re: update-rc.d

[David Z Maze]

Miguel Alvarez Blanco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> a) if the sysadmin wants to fiddle with the links, he may do so
> (presumably by hand?) and the packaging system will not touch them
> *provided the sysadmin leaves at least one of the links*. Now, I can
> see how to use this to remove all but an unreachable link (i.e., a
> K99ipmasq link in an unused runlevel) so that the system does not
> touch them, but I do think that it is very ugly, tricking the system
> and not fixing it.

You probably want the service to stop on shutdown if it's running,
right?  Then leaving /etc/rc0.d/K99ipmasq and /etc/rc6.d/K99/ipmasq is
consistent with what you want, and still lets update-rc.d believe the
package is "installed".

IMHO the Debian system makes a lot of sense here, though it's not
perfect.  Everybody knows how to use 'rm' and 'ln -s', and publishing
those as The Official Way To Tweak Runlevels makes things easy for
sysadmins; I don't know how to use update-rc.d (or, on RH, chkconfig)
without reading the man page.  OTOH, it does kind of seem like it'd be
nice to be do things like easily configure a package to never start a
service ('rm /etc/rc?.d/S??service') or recreate the symlinks at the
right sequence number; I know RH's chkconfig can do the last one.
Probably a good opportunity to write code to fix the UI problem and
submit it as a wishlist bug against sysvinit.  :-)

> b) update-rc.d will remove its links if requested and the script is
> not there (well, or if -f is used as I do), if its first argument is
> purge, so that the user has requested the configuration to be
> removed.

That invocation is intended for the *package* to request that the
configuration be removed.

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Clicking links from Thunderbird

[Roberto Sanchez]

I know this has been brought up before, but the thread simply died.
I am running Sid and using Mozilla Thunderbird 0.3 and Mozilla Firebird
0.7.  The problem I have is that I can't click on a link in an email in
Thunderbird and have it open in Firebird.  Basically, nothing happens,
forcing me to copy and paste.  It is not really a huge deal, really more
of an annoyance, but I would like to get it figured out.
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Re: Installing modem.

[Aaron W. Hsu]

> What program generated the connection between the modem's 8 I/O lines
> d000-d007 and /dev/ttyS3 and what would happen if I rm /dev/ttyS4 and maybe
> /dev/ttyS3 as well and remade, with MAKEDEV, ttyS3 and then run the program
> that makes the original connection.
> Regards;
> Hoyt

Alright, I am wondering, did you diff the dmesg before you put your
modem in with the one after?  That might help in figuring out some
things.  I think you can go ahead and remake the ttyS3 and 4 devices,
and try again.  I am also a little confused, when you dial out, do you
hear the dial tone and the phone number being dialed, then it cuts
out; or do you just get a "modem not responding" error?  What I am
asking is, exactly where does the initialization and dialing begin to
fail?

Instead of using ATDT###- you might want to look at some of the
scripts and try running some of the modem scripts, assuming your modem
is that far along, and see what happens.  It would be really nice to
see the exact errors that are happening, i.e.-the output from the
modem commands.  There is a program that allows you to manually enter
a shell like interface and run modem commands, you should be able to
see the output.  I only used this on OpenBSD a while ago though, so I
don't know what the program is.  You can also try WVDial, which is
essentially like kppp and some of the others, in that it auto-detects
and is pretty smart about getting things right; I found that it is a
nice program for debugging and general use, it's also console based.
;-)

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Debian version

[Drew]

Greetings,

FWIW I did search the archives first but...

I am trying to figure out what version of debian I am
running.  /etc/issue* and /etc/debian_version all
state unstable/testing, but I don't know when this box
was installed.  This box could be potato, from when
potato was unstable, but how to tell? 

I am attempting to determine what release this box is
slink, potato, woody, sarge? 

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks, 

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Re: Portable shell scripts

[csj]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:18:56 -0700,
Bob Proulx wrote:
> 
> csj wrote:
> > Is there a way to write portable shell scripts.  In
> > particular, I've problems with built-ins setenv (tcsh) and
> > export (bash).  How do I define variables in tcsh and have
> > them usable in bash too?
> 
> Your best option is "#!/bin/sh" at the top of all of your
> scripts.  Then you will always have a consistent syntax.  By
> your posting it sounds to me like you have not been putting a
> #! line in your scripts and have been taking "post-luck" over
> whatever shell the user is running at the moment.  That will
> cause you no end of grief.

I tend to write scripts which are tcsh-compatible.  So
"#!/bin/tcsh".  But its somewhat a waste of effort to write one
set of scripts for bash and another for tcsh.  My main problem is
handling the variables.  Is there a shell-portable way to specify
variables?  I write mostly convenience scripts that are generally
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Re: Debian version

[Lukas Ruf]

> Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-12 17:28]:
>
> Greetings,
>
> FWIW I did search the archives first but...
>
> I am trying to figure out what version of debian I am
> running.  /etc/issue* and /etc/debian_version all
> state unstable/testing, but I don't know when this box
> was installed.  This box could be potato, from when
> potato was unstable, but how to tell?
>
> I am attempting to determine what release this box is
> slink, potato, woody, sarge?
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>

what does
/etc/apt/sources.list
say?  Is there anything like
stable
unstable
sid
testing
...
in the deb-statements?  This could give a hint...

wbr,
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Re: Installing modem

[Hoyt Bailey]

I disabled com1 & com2 hardware ports in the BIOS and booted into Linux the
dmesg log concerning the serial ports is as follows:

Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ
SERIAL_PCI enabled
Redundant entry in serial pci_table.  Please send the output of
lspci -vv, this message (12b9,1008,12b9,00d3)
and the manufacturer and name of serial board or modem board
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ttyS04 at port 0xd000 (irq = 19) is a 16550A

I noticed while in BIOS the only IRQ1 thru 14 are listed.  Does this matter?

After extracting dmesg, I returned to command line and issued the following:
echo "ADTD3633070" > /dev/ttyS3
echo "ADTD3633070" > /dev/ttyS4

Niether command resulted in any sound from the modem and no errors were
reported.

Regards;
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openoffice.org 1.1 spellchequer & MS word look

[Ben Edwards]

Just upgraded to OpenOffice 1.1 (Debian).  

Cant work out how to get the spellcheck working, any ideas?

Also when talking to the developers at a conference they mentioned
something about havein a setting so it behaves & has menues like MS Word
(usefull for weening people of m$).  Anyway, anyone know how to do this.

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Re: Portable shell scripts

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 09:24:04AM +0800, csj wrote:
> I tend to write scripts which are tcsh-compatible.  So
> "#!/bin/tcsh".

Wow. You're mad. Sorry :) The C shell is too broken for serious
scripting.

> But its somewhat a waste of effort to write one set of scripts for
> bash and another for tcsh.

I don't understand. Why would you need to write two sets of scripts?

> My main problem is handling the variables. Is there a shell-portable
> way to specify variables?

Not if you want them exported to subprocesses, no.

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Re: Installing modem

[Aaron W. Hsu]

> I disabled com1 & com2 hardware ports in the BIOS and booted into Linux the
> dmesg log concerning the serial ports is as follows:
> 
> Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ
> SERIAL_PCI enabled
> Redundant entry in serial pci_table.  Please send the output of
> lspci -vv, this message (12b9,1008,12b9,00d3)
> and the manufacturer and name of serial board or modem board
> to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ttyS04 at port 0xd000 (irq = 19) is a 16550A
> 
> I noticed while in BIOS the only IRQ1 thru 14 are listed.  Does this matter?
> 
> After extracting dmesg, I returned to command line and issued the following:
> echo "ADTD3633070" > /dev/ttyS3
> echo "ADTD3633070" > /dev/ttyS4
> 
> Niether command resulted in any sound from the modem and no errors were
> reported.
> 
> Regards;
> Hoyt

Have you tried resetting your BIOS?  Have you tried using another
kernel as well?  Try also running the ppp scripts where you will see
output, I don't think echoing into the devices will out put anything
unless you are watching the ttyS's.  You might have to be dumping the
ttyS* output using cat or something similiar in order to see any
errors.

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Re: file creation permissions

[Mike Egglestone]

Quoting Anita Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:38:38 -0800, Mike Egglestone wrote:
> >
> > I don't know if its possible to modify the ownership of a newly created
> file.
> > He who creates, becomes owner. You can use the sgid bit to modify the group
> 
> > permission to follow that of the parent directory.
> 
> I thought that is what the 's' bit in the owner part did.  What does it do
> if it doesn't do that?

The SUID is only useable on files. 
Note: you can add SUID bit to a directory, but it never seems
to do anything. If anyone else on list knows, please explain.  :)

If suid bit is set on a file, then any user executing that file will
have user rights associated with the owner. It can be dangerous to put
suid bits on root owned files, thus giving the executor of the file root 
permissions.

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Re: freelance sysadmining [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[Vikki Roemer]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 09:32:46AM -0500, BruceG wrote:
> Anyway - you might want to include a few distributions, as not everyone may
> be interested in Debian. I found Mandrake, SuSE and Red Hatto have a very
> good look and feel. With RHL moving towards Project Fedora, and Fedora Core
> at 1.0 - you may see interest in both Debian and Fedora.

I was planning on working with whatever distro the customer already had
installed.  I have a little (granted, very little) experience with RH (7.2),
and if/when I get a laptop I'd put Slackware on it for a little while, just
to get some experience with  it, and I'd also put RH on it just to stay in
practice.

> Only reason I'm bringing it up is that once a client (or friend) has DSL in,
> and if they have a laptop - they will bring up wireless.

Hmm, I'll look into it.  First I've got to finish HS, get a job, and get
together some money to get a laptop, etc.  Meanwhile my parents have to get
DSL.

> The other thing to look at is volunteering at a church, or if you are part
> of a homeschool group. Maybe put up a website or a forum, and use that
> experience to fill out your resume.

I don't go to church anymore (used to be Catholic, now I'm an atheistic
Buddhist), but I do belong to a homeschool group  and I'm already
maintaining a website for them.  See http://bchomeschool.homelinux.com/

> I found that volunteering gives me experience in things I don't do that
> often: replaced hard drives, PD's LAN infrasctructure and replaced defective
> hubs (bad power and too many hits), replaced bad cable, set up a Payroll PC
> (don't forget power-up passwords and disk passwords for those kinds of
> animals).
> 
> Finally - it might be cool to do a desktop install on a PC for your church
> or whatever civic group you might belong to. I found that our church got
> some donated PC's and re-uses them. My next project is to install Linux on
> one, just to give a taste of what it is and what it does.

Hmm, if only the homeschool group had a place to keep the computer, it'd be
interesting to do that.  See, we don't have a permanent meeting place-- we
depend on nice churches in the area for a place to have our co-op classes
(parents teach various classes on various subjects-- everything from anatomy
for elementary schoolers to trivia (the class I'm taking this 6 weeks) to
chess), and we use the electric company's meeting room for our group's
monthly meetings.

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Re: openoffice.org 1.1 spellchequer & MS word look

[Emma Jane Hogbin]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:36:21PM +, Ben Edwards wrote:
> Cant work out how to get the spellcheck working, any ideas?

There was an extra package that I had to install, but I can't remember
what it was offhand. Do you have the following packages installed?
myspell-en-gb or myspell-en-us
I /think/ that was it...

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Re: openoffice.org 1.1 spellchequer & MS word look

[Chris Halls]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 17:36, Ben Edwards wrote:
> Just upgraded to OpenOffice 1.1 (Debian).  
> 
> Cant work out how to get the spellcheck working, any ideas?

apt-get install myspell-

where  is whatever language you want to spellcheck in.
'apt-cache search myspell' would give you a list of available
dictionaries you can install.

> Also when talking to the developers at a conference they mentioned
> something about havein a setting so it behaves & has menues like MS Word
> (usefull for weening people of m$).  Anyway, anyone know how to do this.

I've not heard of this at all; it is not something in our packages.

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smbfs and accented chars

[João Miguel Neves]

I haven't found a reference to this on the archives, so maybe someone
will help me:

I have a file on a Windows NT4 server called: encadernação.jpg

Going through smbclient, the filename is encadernação.jpg. If I go
through smbfs (either fstab, automount or smbmount directly), I see the
filename as encaderna?ao.jpg.

I've tested this, with the same results in 2 machines with different
locales: en_US.UTF-8 and pt_PT.ISO-8859-1.

I've tested passing iocharset and codepage parameters to smbmount.
iocharset with iso8859-1 and utf-8 and codepage with
437,850,860,cp437,cp850,cp860.

Any suggestions on how to configure or patch smbfs to show the right
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Re: Installing modem.

[Jesse Meyer]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Kent West wrote:

> Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> >Yes, from dmesg:
> >Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ
> >SERIAL_PCI enabled
> >ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
> >ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
> >Redundant entry in serial pci_table.  Please send the output of
> >lspci -vv, this message (12b9,1008,12b9,00d3)
> >and the manufacturer and name of serial board or modem board
> >to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >ttyS04 at port 0xd000 (irq = 19) is a 16550A
> 
> 
> It looks like you have two serial ports on your motherboard (00 & 01), 
> in addition to your modem on 04. Apparently the PCI bus is getting 
> confused somehow. You might want to go into the BIOS and temporarily 
> disable the built-in serial ports, and see what that does for you.

Same thing happens with my system:

# Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ
# SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled
# ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
# ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
# Redundant entry in serial pci_table.  Please send the output of
# lspci -vv, this message (12b9,1008,12b9,00aa)
# and the manufacturer and name of serial board or modem board
# to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
# ttyS04 at port 0x7fe0 (irq = 10) is a 16550A

Modem still works fine.

> >>What happens with the command:
> >>echo "ATDT555-1234" > /dev/ttyS3
> >
> >Nothing absolutely nothing and I can hear my modem sending. Dont have
> >another number I can call.
> 
> This I don't understand; you say it's doing "nothing absolutely nothing" 
> and then immediately say you hear the modem sending, which means it's 
> doing something. Either it's doing nothing or it's doing something. 
> Which is it?

Since the grandparent poster has the same modem as mine, and my modem
does not want to dial out by echoing that command to ttyS4, I would
assume that it's the wrong way to debug the modem.

Btw, if his dmesg log is correct, its ttyS4 he should be checking, not
ttyS3, unless I am misunderstanding something.

To debug, I would try these steps:

1) `wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf.test`
2) Assuming you get the line "Found a modem on /dev/ttyS4" then
continue, else post another message to debian user.
3) edit /etc/wvdial.conf.test and add in a null phone number (5551234)
and uncomment the phone number, username, and password lines.
4) `wvdial --config /etc/wvdial.conf.test`
5) If you hear it dial, congrats, your modem is working.  Try putting in
your real phone number, username, and password.  Then redo step #4.

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a2ps and page size -- driving me nuts!

[martin f krafft]

Help!

I am trying to use a2ps to print 2 pages onto one. Very simple:

  a2ps -2 file.ps

The paper is A4, libpaper is configured for A4, --medium=libpaper
is set, but the following problem prevails even if I set
--medium=a4. A4 is described as "Medium: A4  595 842",
basically it's all out of the box Debian without any changes.

When I print file.ps as I said above, it comes out unacceptably. The
odd pages (left part of the output page) are perfect, but the right
part (the even pages) are cut off. The width of the left page is
about 143mm, the right page is only 126mm. I am printing the
borders, and these widths are the spacings between the borders. So,
with ASCII art, it looks like this:

  <--143mm><126mm-->
  | text text text text text text || text text text text te|
  | text text text text text text || text text text text te|
  | text text text text text text || text text text text te|
  | text text text text text text || text text text text te|

It does seem like the printer (LJ 2200dn) has an exceptionally huge
top margin, but should that really affect the borders in this way?
I also tried to increase the LLY (top) border of the medium (c.f.
A4dj) from 24 to 50, but that changed nothing in the output.

I am confused. How can I print the two subpages qith equal width, so
that they fill the printable area on the sheet?

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Re: smbfs and accented chars

[João Miguel Neves]

BTW, doing an strace on smbclient, it loads codepage.850,
unicode_map.850 and unicode_map.ISO8859-1.

Doing an lsmod, the only loaded nls table is nls_utf8.
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Re: freelance sysadmining [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 11:11, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 09:32:46AM -0500, BruceG wrote:
[snip]
> maintaining a website for them.  See http://bchomeschool.homelinux.com/

It's empty

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Re: Securing Debian

[Geoff Thurman]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 3:54 pm, Benedict Verheyen wrote:
> > I have an email server (qmail running on debian),
> > that I need to make as secure as possible.
> > Can anyone point me to some good links that
> > relate to security?
> >
> > Has anyone used bastille?  What do you think
> > of it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Rick
>
> I used bastille in the past and found it to do
> it's job quite well.
> You may als look at:
> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html
>
> Personally i do this to harden a server:
> - remove all unnecessary software
> - add firewall script
> - run bastille (hardening)
> - install file integrity checker (i'm testing samhain at the moment)
> - install snort
> - install logchecker
>
> Regards,
> Benedict

There are a lot of links here:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45261

There was a good piece about security on the same site roughly a 
fortnight ago, but I can't find it now. I might post again if I track 
it down.

Cheers,

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Re: Clicking links from Thunderbird

[Kent West]

Roberto Sanchez wrote:

I know this has been brought up before, but the thread simply died.
I am running Sid and using Mozilla Thunderbird 0.3 and Mozilla Firebird
0.7.  The problem I have is that I can't click on a link in an email in
Thunderbird and have it open in Firebird.  Basically, nothing happens,
forcing me to copy and paste.  It is not really a huge deal, really more
of an annoyance, but I would like to get it figured out.
-Roberto


I found a reference to this in the Mozilla forums (but their search 
engine seems to suck worse than Debian's Mail Archives search, so I 
can't find it again); if I remember correctly, it was stated that this 
is a known problem on Linux, and there is not currently a solution.

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looking for Knotes type application

[Richard Kimber]

I don't use either the Gnome or the KDE desktops (just Blackbox, plus
whatever apps I need).

I find Knotes a very useful app, but it seems to use rather a lot of
memory for what it does (in terms of how I use it - mostly as a storage
space for copying and pasting between apps).  If I've understood top
correctly it takes about 30MB, about 5 times more than Bluefish.

Is there a similar stand-alone application, preferably gtk-based, that
will provide me with similar functionality, but that is more economical? 
I've Googled till I'm blue in the face, but can't find anything.  There's
a similar Gnome applet, but it seems that won't work on a stand-alone
basis, or at least I couldn't get it to.

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Re: a2ps and page size -- driving me nuts!

[martin f krafft]

also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.11.12.1818 +0100]:
> I am confused. How can I print the two subpages qith equal width, so
> that they fill the printable area on the sheet?

I should add that it works just fine when printing to a LJ2100tn
printer. magicfilter does the translation from postscript.

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kernel-source-2.6.0-test9 & linux-wlan-ng Problem

[Thomas H. George]

I compiled a new kernel from kernel-source-2.6.0-test9 and, after 
installing module-init-tools, most of my modules are loaded and working 
except for my pci wireless networking card.  This has always been 
something of a problem even with the 2.4.xx kernels.  apt-get install 
linux-wlan-ng reports the latest version is already installed but newly 
compiled kernels cannot install  the Netgear MA311 PCI Adapter.  I have 
a copy of  linux-wlan-ng-0.1.16-pre16  which successfully installs the 
adapter in for the 2.4.xx kernels but it aborts the make all command now 
that I have compiled the 2.6.0-test9 kernel.

Any suggestions?

Tom George

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Re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 question

[Kent West]

Jimmy Johansson wrote:

Hi,

I tried to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 yesterday expecting it to
create a new XF86Config-4 file, but it didn't. I moved the old
XF86Config-4 to my /home/ directory and ran dpkg-reconfigure
xserver-xfree86. 
 

So this did _not_ create a new /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? Odd.

You might try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common".

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Re: Portable shell scripts

[David Z Maze]

csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I tend to write scripts which are tcsh-compatible.  So
> "#!/bin/tcsh".  But its somewhat a waste of effort to write one
> set of scripts for bash and another for tcsh.  My main problem is
> handling the variables.  Is there a shell-portable way to specify
> variables?

...to what end?  I'm confused here: if you set variables inside the
script, they won't be visible to the parent of the script, but they
generally will be visible to children.

  #!/bin/tcsh
  setenv TESTVAR hi
  /bin/sh -c 'echo $TESTVAR'

  #!/bin/sh
  TESTVAR=hi
  export TESTVAR
  /bin/tcsh -c 'echo $TESTVAR'

will both print "hi" because that's the string being passed through
the environment; it doesn't care what shells are (or aren't) involved.

> I write mostly convenience scripts that are generally less than a
> console screen in length.

So do I, but that doesn't stop me from wanting to do

  make 2>/dev/null

occasionally.  :-)  Using a Bourne-like interactive shell is also
useful, since I wind up typing a lot of one-liners that might include
shell loops.  (I personally use zsh, but I think bash has about the
same feature set these days; at least, it has programmable completion,
which is the reason I originally switched to zsh.)

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Re: Debian version

[David Z Maze]

Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am trying to figure out what version of debian I am
> running.  /etc/issue* and /etc/debian_version all
> state unstable/testing, but I don't know when this box
> was installed.  This box could be potato, from when
> potato was unstable, but how to tell? 
>
> I am attempting to determine what release this box is
> slink, potato, woody, sarge? 

One thing you might try doing is looking at the version of the libc6
package, which has pretty reliably changed between releases, and
compare it to the version in the various releases.  I don't entirely
remember when testing appeared but I'm pretty sure that if your
/etc/debian_version mentions testing then you're post-slink.  :-)

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Re: freelance sysadmining [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[Vikki Roemer]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:51:42AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 11:11, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> > maintaining a website for them.  See http://bchomeschool.homelinux.com/
> 
> It's empty

*shrug*  I'm having no problems with it, and no one else seems to either--
people are going to my site and the server is sending data, and I haven't
had any complaints from the group.  Anybody else here having problems?

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"I hope I'll die before I have to use Microsoft Word."
-- Donald E. Knuth, Tuebingen, 02.10.2001

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Re: printer icon

[TeraLee2]

i can not find a print icon on web sight what should i do?

Re: Clicking links from Thunderbird

[Roberto Sanchez]

Kent West wrote:
Roberto Sanchez wrote:

I know this has been brought up before, but the thread simply died.
I am running Sid and using Mozilla Thunderbird 0.3 and Mozilla Firebird
0.7.  The problem I have is that I can't click on a link in an email in
Thunderbird and have it open in Firebird.  Basically, nothing happens,
forcing me to copy and paste.  It is not really a huge deal, really more
of an annoyance, but I would like to get it figured out.
-Roberto


I found a reference to this in the Mozilla forums (but their search 
engine seems to suck worse than Debian's Mail Archives search, so I 
can't find it again); if I remember correctly, it was stated that this 
is a known problem on Linux, and there is not currently a solution.

Thanks for the info.

-Roberto


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Re: kernel-2.6.0-test9 - Thanks

[Thomas H. George]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 12:34:40PM +0100, Peter Samek wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 05:12:43AM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
> [...]
> > Additional Problems with kernel-2.6.0-test9
> >
> >   Although I built the kernel with support for modules and ran
> >   make modules and make modules_install the command lsmod reports
> >   AP_MODULES are not installed.
> >
> >   Also there are serial ports, that is, no ttyS0 and ttyS1
> >
> > Tom
> 
> Do you have module-init-tools installed? You need this to be able to
> load 2.6 modules.
> 
> Peter

Thanks, module-init-tools solved the problem.

Tom
> 
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modprobe question

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi!

I just dist-upgraded a sarge partition.

Now the hid module for the usb mice will not load.

If you do "modprobe hid" he says "cannot find keybdev which is needed by 
hid".

Then if I do insmod /lib//hid.o it gets loaded and the mice 
can be used.

Sure enough when I do "modprobe -c" it shows:


# Above
above hid keybdev mousedev

I cannot find keybdev anywhere in the 2.4.22 kernel that I am using, 
except for traces in the documenation, but nothing in .config

Neither can I find where he gets his "above" information:
grepping through /lib or /etc yields nothing: I cannot find it in 
modutils or depmod.

I get around the problem by starting a script that does the insmod 
before gpm and gdm get started so they find their mice, but that is 
absurd of course.

Where does modprobe get his information about that above statement?

Thanks!

Hugo.

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Re: update-rc.d

[Ernest Johanson]

One suggestion here might be to put an exit statement on a line by itself
near the beginning of the script, before anything is executed. This will
prevent the script from running even though the rc.d links are in
place. When you update the package, the install script should detect
that the init script was modified and ask you if you want to keep your
current version of the script or use the new one. That way you don't have
to reconfigure the links.

Hope this is helpful 


Ernest Johanson
Systems Administrator
Fuller Theological Seminary


On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Miguel Alvarez Blanco wrote:

> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:42:57 +0100
> From: Miguel Alvarez Blanco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: update-rc.d
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I do not really know if this is a bug or a "feature", so I am not 
> sending it as a bug report. The problem is fairly general, it has 
> happened several times to me, although the last one was because of the 
> ipmasq package.
> 
> I had the package installed in my system while I was using it to provide 
> net access to another machine while on a single-IP net connection, but I 
> no longer used it, so I just used update-rc.d to remove the links in 
> rcS.d and avoid it running at startup. I did not want to erase it, since 
> the machine is a laptop and I  may need it again sometime (I prefer not 
> to remove packages, because I may need them in a circumstance in which I 
> do not have net access).
> 
> However, it seems that there was some update in the woody package (maybe 
> security related) in the last months, and so I automatically upgraded 
> it. The update re-installed the scripts in rcS.d, but since I did not 
> shut down the machine for some time, I did not notice it. Yesterday, I 
> had to boot windoze to use the parallel port scanner (pity it does not 
> work with sane or vmware), and after reboot I had no net connection. 
> Now, it took me some time to realize that evverything was right in the 
> net scripts, until I went to look with iptables, and notice that the 
> ipmasq script was there again.
> 
> Sure, it took me less than five minutes to remove the script again and 
> put everything in order, but I think that it is annoying. So, this is my 
> question: is there another way of keeping a package around without it 
> actually updating the startup scripts whenever it is upgraded? If not, 
> it may be that some "update-rc.d record" file should be kept, in order 
> not to change back startup files that the sysadmin may have modified or 
> erased for some reason. As I said, it has happened several times, so 
> this is not an isolated problem of the ipmasq package, but rather 
> something in the general usage of the Debian system (which I really like 
> in most other respects: brilliant job!). If I am missing something, 
> please do tell me, preferably by answering this e-mail (I will follow-up 
> to the list to keep everyone informed).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>Miguel
> 
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> 
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Re: freelance sysadmining [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[Mike Dresser]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Vikki Roemer wrote:

> *shrug*  I'm having no problems with it, and no one else seems to either--
> people are going to my site and the server is sending data, and I haven't
> had any complaints from the group.  Anybody else here having problems?

I just tried it here, because I was about to reply to Ron saying, "hey,
it's easy to maintain emptiness!"

But alas, the page works properly for me under Mozilla 1.5

Mike


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Maple9 and LD_ASSUME_KERNEL

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello List,

I am installing Maple 9
on my Debian box (testing/unstable kernel 2.4.22):
I have just noticed that the maple script (maple9/bin/maple)
set LD_ASSUME_KERNEL for red-hat boxes as fellows
<<
if [ -r "/etc/redhat-release" ]
then
	MR_CHECK=`perl -ane '$_ =~ /Mandrake Linux release (\d+)\.(\d+)/; print 
$1 if $1 >= 9;' /etc/redhat-release`

	RH_CHECK=`perl -ane '$_ =~ /Red Hat .* release (\d+)(\.\d+)?/; print $1 
if ($1 >= 7);' /etc/redhat-release`

if [ $MR_CHECK ]; then
export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5
fi
if [ $RH_CHECK ]; then
export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5
fi
fi
<<
As maplesoft does not support the Debian distribution
(this is really a shame) and as I never heard about LD_ASSUME_KERNEL 
before: I wonder if a similar stuff must be added on a Debian box.

Thanks inadvance,
Jerome BENOIT
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Re: G550 and 3D acceleration

[Piers Kittel]

Hello Roberto again;

Have rebooted and sorted out PC regarding to the new kernel - it loads 
the AGPGART module and detects the G550 card no problem.  Still OpenGL 
doesn't work on both heads of the G550, I get:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ glxgears
Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
on both heads.

Looking at someone's else post about OpenGL and glxgears, I get around 
200fps on the Nvidia card as well so hardware rendering seems not to 
work on that either..

Here's a copy of the XFree86 log and dmesg;

http://www.biased.org/log/XFree86.0.log
http://www.biased.org/log/dmesg
Thanks very much for your help again :)

Cheers - Piers

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Re: freelance sysadmining [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 12:14, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:51:42AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 11:11, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> > > maintaining a website for them.  See http://bchomeschool.homelinux.com/
> > 
> > It's empty
> 
> *shrug*  I'm having no problems with it, and no one else seems to either--
> people are going to my site and the server is sending data, and I haven't
> had any complaints from the group.  Anybody else here having problems?

Well, it works now.  Before, when it was empty, was just:
  

Maybe your webserver got overloaded?

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Re: printer icon

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 11:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> i can not find a print icon on web sight what should i do?

Run naked down the street, and then disembowel yourself with a 
short, dull knife? 

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correspondents" either have serious agendas that don't get shaken
by facts, or are dumb as dog feces.


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