Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[Robert Ian Smit]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 11:47:38AM +1000, David Pastern wrote:
> You guys are goddamn rude.  If this is linux helpfulness at it's best god
> help linux and open source.  To quote three dead trolls in a baggie' every
> os sucks.mp3:

Yep, some are, some are not. I don't want to get philosophical and
stuff so let me give an anecdote as well ;)

This week a big software company released an update to their main
os-product. This update is called SP1 and weighs in at 133mb. After
downloading said update, it refused to install. My key is not valid.

Did you know how much goddamn trouble I had to install the software
in the first place. I mean finding someone with a copy of the
software that allowed being installed was a big pain. Since the
cdrom was not sealed, had a hologram, or was blessed in another way,
it wasn't bootable. Man, the lenghts I had to go to make a bootable
iso that included the contents of the first disc...

Anyway, I am basically stuck. I could ofcourse spend a lot of money
on new hardware + software and hope things work then. They'd better,
because although being entitled to support I am sure nobody would
(or could) help.

Seriously, anyone making general statements on anything, just based
on personal experience are most likely not very interesting. When my
printer doesn't work in Linux (it doesn't at the moment), I'd rather
post to sucks.me_do than bash world + dog.

Bob



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Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[Robert Ian Smit]

On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 10:32:17PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> Quoting David Pastern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > You guys are goddamn rude.
> 
> I made sure I was rude to that lamer by cc'ing to his email address. 
> Damn straight I was rude to that disrespectful adolescent. Screw him, 
> poor baby, he can't deal with email lists; we don't do things his way. 
> Too fucking bad. 

You're funny, man. But from one Bob to another, please use smilies
or you run the risk of being misunderstood.

Bob


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Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[Tom Cook]

On  0, Josh Rehman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: Jerry Gaiser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > This is the third time I've subscribed to debian-user. Each time I
> leave
> > in disgust because of the attitude of a few posters. Debian is *not*
> the
> > easiest distribution to install, but some of you folks are not helping
> > your cause.
> 
> I agree with Jerry. Consider that as a new user of this list, I began
> with a post asking about ext3. I found the responses to be overall very
> helpful, although at first rather terse. Encouraged, I responded to a
> thread about the structure of the list itself, namely the use of
> reply-to headers. Instead of responding materially to my points, one
> poster, for example, made mention of my use of Outlook as a mail client,
> apparently attempted to embarrass or attack me. This is, of course, a
> variation of ad hominem. This argument is so common and recognizable in
> the computing field it can be given a special name, let us call it the
> 'ad technium' fallacy.
> 
> The 'ad technium' fallacy is that the technology that one *uses* implies
> something about the correctness of their argument. So when someone
> attacks a user of this list for using Outlook (e.g., me) they are not
> considering that that person might not want to be using outlook, and, in
> fact, are using this list in order to stop using Outlook. (But not all
> criticism of technology usage is 'argumentum ad technium', especially in
> advocacy debates.)

I suspect that I am the poster who made comment about your use of
Outlook (I certainly made comment on *someone's* use of outlook in
that thread, so it was probably you).  The comment was not supposed to
"embarrass or attack" you, it was a comment on a specific feature
missing in Outlook.  My argument boiled down to 'you can't do that
because your mailer is broken, not because the list is configured
wrong.'  How am I supposed to make such an argument without commenting
on which mailer you use?

> Despite this, I have stayed on to read, and for each arrogant, petty and
> bullying user of this list (perhaps tolerated because of some small
> sliver of actual knowledge), there are many more kind, courteous and
> patient experts (revered not only for great knowledge but also for just
> being Good People) more than happy to pass on some of the enormous and
> intricate wisdom of the field.
> 
> To those especially who consistently use 'argumentum ad technium' to
> bolster ego and effect an elitist posture, I say , ha! You just don't
> get it! This is a forum that admires reason and correctness, the
> ultimate antithesis of the logical fallacy you employ with such
> sophomoric glee.

I don't think I use such arguments frequently, and in the instance you
have quoted I think it is unfair to accuse me of it.  I agree with you
that such 'logic' is pretty pointless, but please actually understand
an argument before you label it 'argumentum ad technium'.

> Good day,
> Josh Rehman, Linux Guru Wannabe (LGW)
> 
> P.S. If any Latin speakers out there could help me come up with a better
> name for "argument from technological elitism" that would be great.

I know but one jot of Latin, so can't help, sorry.  An FM can be found
here:

http://www.nd.edu/~archives/latgramm.htm

but I suspect this will not tell you more than you know already.  I
can't find a babelfish that supports Latin...

Tom
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Re: I Can t Unsubscribe

[Tom Cook]

On  0, "Mark L. Kahnt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 13:44, Ezequiel Franca Santos/SAO/Geo wrote:
> > Hi Guys !!
> > I ´m trying to unsubscribe since 1 week ago, but i´m not succeed in doing.
> > 
> > Why ???
> > 
> > i send the messages to the unsubscribe, but don´t worked ...
> > 
> > i try a few times, but i the messages still come in !!1
> > 
> > 
> > sorry for my poor english !
> > 
> > 
> > Ezequiel
> > Debian User
> > São Paulo - Brazil
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RE: Installing new kernel

[Mark L. Kahnt]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 02:31, David Pastern wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> I think I just typed "make" to be honest.  That's my own idiocy there, I
> should have known that it was make config (or make xconfig in X).  It still
> seemed to work though.  Could I have accidently broken something and it's
> not appearing in any manifestations yet?  I did get options for
> video/sound/network.  make-kpkg is not recognised on my Debian system.  I'm
> not sure why.  I've reinstalled Debian 4 times in the past near week and a
> half (because on some stuff i'd cocked up, and I couldn't find any reference
> on how to fix my cock-ups) and make-kpkg has previously worked.  I'm at a
> loss as to why it's not working now.  

Okay, if you got options for various features, it sounds like Makefile
*evolves* depending on what else has been done to that point - can
anyone else confirm that?

Make-kpkg is a separate package to be, umm, apt-gotten, but once you
have it, it is great at consolidating and managing the main work of
building the kernel.

> 
> At what exact point of the process of compiling the new kernel would I do
> the make-kpkg.  After everything else i've done?  Or somewhere in between?
> I'd suspect between the make clean && make dep and the make bzImage.  That
> makes sense to my logic.

Do the make clean && make dep, and then the rest of the "make" tasks get
handled by make-kpkg, and the actual copies of the appropriate files
into the appropriate locations are handled by dpkg -i
kernel-whatever-version. This also allows you, down the road, to say
apt-get remove kernel-whatever-oldversion when you no longer need/want
the old one around.

> 
> But - woohoo! I've finally got X, networking and mount cdrom problem licked.
> So i'm rather tickled.  Oh and apt-get is awesome.  That has to be my fave
> thing about Debian so far.  I can't stop raving about it.  Anyways ta for
> advice, much appreciated.

X11 is not always immediately obvious - for me, it sent me scrambling
back to my memories of tweaking MS Windows 3.1 and earlier, and in those
days, configuration was done with a text program running on the console.
That said, I've never been able to get XDMCP working without it hanging
gdm - that is the ability to start up X11 on and actually be running all
of the programs on another machine. It may be that there is the old
saying that the language best known by computer programmers is
"Profanity", but once you have the activities understood and configured,
the control and the knowledge of what is happening gives the System
Administrator much more power over the machine and its performance -
much better than Microsoft's latest update so that they can take over
your machine whenever they find it convenient to disable non-MS
software.

> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark L. Kahnt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 September 2002 4:11 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern
> Subject: RE: Installing new kernel
> 
> 
>  
> On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 02:01, David Pastern wrote:
> > Bob,
> > 
> > Excuse my ignorance,
> > 
> > When I recently upgraded my kernel,  I was told by a friend to do:
> > 
> > apt-get install kernel-source-version (in my instance
> kernel-source-2.4.18).
> > 
> > What is the difference between apt getting the kernel-image versus
> > kernel-source?  I noticed that the kernel-source d/l to /usr/src.  Then I
> > untarred it and went into the newly created dir and ran make.  I then
> > compiled the kernel and modules.  After doing that I ran "make dep && make
> > clean".  Then I did "make bzImage".  I then did "make modules" and then
> > "make modules_install".  Once that was all done I did "depmod -a".  
> 
> I'm hoping that first make is something like "make config", "make
> menuconfig" or "make xconfig", so that you can adjust the kernel to the
> needs of your system, such as specific graphic, network or sound cards.
> Otherwise, everything you've done sounds like it is right out of the
> kernel source README, and what works fine for many people nearly every
> time.
> 
> That said, using kernel-image-version allows people to draw upon
> pre-built kernels with modules for all manner of equipment - many
> modules that individual machines likely *don't* need. It works for most
> situations as well, but there is the chaff and it may not be the *most*
> efficient configuration for your machine.
> 
> What is recommended with Debian, however, is to use make-kpkg after you
> do the configuring and "make dep" - it handles much of the individual
> aspects of preparing a kernel, including specific kernel source, headers
> and documentation for your configuration if you specify it, and creates
> .debs that you can install and remove with dpkg, which should make your
> future kernel management more efficient, and fit in with the overall
> Debian software management system.
> 
> > 
> > Once done I copied the System.map and bzImage files to the /boot dir and
> > then renamed them with appropriate n

RE: I Can t Unsubscribe

[DEBLON Eric (BMB)]

I have exactly the same problem. I try to unsubsribe since few days now, without 
success. I have tried four or five times, using the control mailing list. Each time I 
receive an ack, but there is no effect.

kind regards,

eric

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On  0, "Mark L. Kahnt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 13:44, Ezequiel Franca Santos/SAO/Geo wrote:
> > Hi Guys !!
> > I ´m trying to unsubscribe since 1 week ago, but i´m not succeed in > > doing.
> > 
> > Why ???
> > 
> > i send the messages to the unsubscribe, but don´t worked ...
> > 
> > i try a few times, but i the messages still come in !!1
> > 
> > 
> > sorry for my poor english !
> > 
> > 
> > Ezequiel
> > Debian User
> > São Paulo - Brazil
> 
> Are you sending your "unsubscribe" emails to the list posting address 
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), or to the list control address 
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])? As indicated in the automatic 
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Re: Printing problems....help???

[Matthew Claridge]

I agree the list is active - subscribed to the normal 'user' list I get 
hundreds of messages a day. However, the digest version sends me 
nothing. I got the confirmation email saying I was subscribed, and 
resubscribing has no effect.

Matt

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> This list is indeed active. I get from 25 to 100 messages a day. 
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Re: quickcam

[Mark L. Kahnt]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 02:45, jfcarvajal wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I've have installed a logitech quickcam express on my Debian Woody  box. It
> seems to work for a while, what is more if i use xawtv it works a little
> longer than unsing gqcam before it hangs.
> 
> Can any one give me a hint on what is going on, here the xawtv output.
> 
> 
> This is xawtv-3.72, running on Linux/i686 (2.4.18)
> Xlib:  extension "XVideo" missing on display ":0.0".
> /dev/video0 [v4l]: no overlay support
> v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
> config: invalid value for input: Television
> valid choices for "input": "Camera"
> v4l: timeout (got SIGALRM), hardware/driver problems?
> ioctl: VIDIOCSYNC(1): Interrupted system call
> v4l: timeout (got SIGALRM), hardware/driver problems?
> ioctl: VIDIOCSYNC(0): Interrupted system call
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Can you define "for a while" and "a little longer"? Are these 1 hour, 10
minutes, 5 seconds at maybe four frames a second? My STV680 based camera
does the latter - it takes 20 images for the 20 image slots, and then
crashes itself and my usb subsystem, which at present stays down until I
reboot (taking my second printer with it as it is also usb.) If you are
getting vastly more images, it is a different problem.
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Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[ben]

On Monday 09 September 2002 10:42 pm, Barney Wrightson wrote:
> David Pastern wrote:
> 
>
> > 10.  Remember that english is not everyones main tongue.  Writing skills
> > are always weaker for a person from a NESB (non english speaking
> > background).
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Dave W Pastern
>
> On the contrary, I tend to find that the worst English comes from people
>   who claim it as their first language. Normally if a post contains the
> words "please excuse my english" I am pretty confident of being able to
> understand it perfectly :)
>
> Barney.

i doubt that the op's problem had to do with a dearth of language skills. to 
judge by the quality of his post, i would have to conclude that he was less 
interested in admitting to a need of help than he was at blaming his 
frustration on anyone but himself. my first reaction was to think that his 
attitude proved why some people can't be cured of their affliction. on 
reflection, i simply appreciate his self-immolation. when you barge into a 
party, demanding a beer, you can't really be surprised when nobody feels 
inclined to point you in the direction of the keg, or by their relief when 
you leave. beligerence begets resentment. it's a sandbox lesson for most of 
us; then again, some seem deliberately inclined not to learn, at all.

this is the best support list i've ever experienced. i've got a running 
system that satisfies near all of my needs--except watching all of my dvd's, 
but even that isn't a fault in debian--that cost me five bucks for progeny 
disks a long while back. somebody once said that debian is not the place to 
start but it is where you will end up, or words to that effect. it's known 
for that. anyone who takes it on expecting it to be any other way just isn't 
paying attention. ending up here is a consequence of realizing that 
everything else sucks. it's like the reverse of hitting bottom, yet still 
finding that the only way to go is up. the first time i read this list, i was 
still trying to get the best out of suse, having done slack, rh, and fooled 
around with freebsd, even toying with mandrake for the week it took to get 
full-on bored, i knew that this was the place to be. i pounded on with suse 
for about another month, and then gave it up in submission to the one true 
path. i get so much out of debian, and, still, i know that i'm not yet 
getting anywhere near as much as it has to offer.

on the one hand, i feel sorry for mr. dumbass--what was his name? the beer is 
free, but he wasn't happy with that. on the other hand, i think, hey, maybe 
he'll find a cure and make it back here before he loses too much time being 
the way he is, now. the great thing about this list is that we can 
simultaneously wish the other os lusers the best on their way and still 
welcome them back, should they ever show up again. the good thing about mr. 
d's outburst is that it gives me the opportunity to muse on how great debian 
is, and on how much i appreciate the work of the developers and maintainers, 
and all the help i've had from the list. as much as i try no to, i can't help 
but pity the fool who misses the point of what we have here. elitist? what a 
load. this is the most democratic place i know. the world should be like this.

ben


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Aptitude and apt-get

[Mike Kuhar]

Hi everyone,

I've got a strange one.  As root, in aptitude, I'll do an update
successfully.  Then I do an upgrade, the files download, the progress bar
will not show total progress, just progress per file, then reset to 0% for
the next file.  When the files complete downloading, I hit a carrige return
to go to the installation phase, I get an error telling me that aptitude
couldn't lock the cache, and will open it read only, and the upgrade stops.

Using apt-get, I update successfully, I do upgrade, the files start
downloading, again, instead of getting a total progress percentage at the
begining of each line, I just get some bogus number.  When downloading is
complete, I get an error message telling me that every file I just watched
download is missing, and maybe I should try again with --fix-missing.

If I do something like 'apt-get --reinstall install apt', this works.  If I
use apt-get to install a new package, it installs the new package
successfully along with any dependancies.

I'm running unstable with the 2.4.19 kernel on three machines, and this
strange behavior only affects one machine.  Anyone one got any ideas as to
the problem?





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3D Acceleration in X not with framebuffer possible?

[Roman Joost]

I tried to boot up with the framebuffer and enabling the direct rendering
features for my ATI after recompiling the kernel. If i compile the framebuffer
thing into the kernel, boot up with the vga=XXX mode, the framebuffer works
great. But my system can't find any agp bridge :(

If i don't compile framebuffer into the kernel, i don't have the framebuffer
device available, but the system find my agp bridge. 

What is wrong? Is there a possibility to startup with the framebuffer and always
enable the direct rendering??
Allright, i know that the boot-logo thing is a kind of playing around. But looks
nice with my logo *G

Forgive me...

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RE: quickcam

[jfcarvajal]

>>Can you define "for a while" and "a little longer"? Are these 1 hour, 10
>> minutes, 5 seconds at maybe four frames a second?

"for a while" :   aprox 15 seconds
"a little longer":  aprox 45 seconds
Yes, about four frames per second

Besides the quickcam I have a  USB epson scanner that works properly. ...
Though I haven't tested it while the gqcam program is hanged. I'll try that
this afternoon.

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Re: Installing new kernel

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"Bob" == Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 >> 
 >> 2) will it add one more item inthe lilo for the new kernel and so that
 >> In can select the older kernel at boot time, in case I want?

 Bob> IIRC (I use grub), the older kernel gets labelled something like
 Bob> OldLinux, while the new one will be Linux.  Grub will show many more
 Bob> possibilities if the kernels exist.

Well, firstly, kernel-image packages don't use debconf yet,
 since I havent spent the time to grok debconf. Secondly, the image
 package _never_ modifies a lilo.conf file -- alll it does is
 maipulate symbolic links (nominally /vmlinuz and /vmlinuz.old). If
 you mention those links in lilo.conf, the entry pointing to /vmlinuz
 shall always refer to the last installed kernel image.
 >> 
 >> 4) do I have to install any other package apart from 
 >> kernel-image-2.4.19-686? like kernel-header, etc?

 Bob> No (some self-compiled programs get the headers from kernel-headers or
 Bob> kernel-source, however).


Well, initrd-tools may be important for kernel images that use initrd.

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Re: typo error

[Jan-Hendrik Palic]

Hi All ... 


On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 01:53:25PM +0200, Sebastien Chaumat wrote:
> schaumat@tosh:~$ ldd /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin
[...]
>libstlport_gcc3.0.so.4.5 => not found
>^
>
>libstdc++.so.3 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.3 (0x4013d000)
>libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x401ce000)
>libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x401ef000)
>libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x401f7000)
>/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)
>
>now:
>
>schaumat@tosh:~$ dpkg -L libstlport4.5gcc3.0
>  /.
>  /usr
>  /usr/lib
>  /usr/lib/libstlport_gcc_3.0.so.4.5 
> ^^
>instead of libstlport_gcc3.0.so.4.5 

Ok .. one thing ... 

we are now using the official unofficial debian-packages [1]from Torsten
Werner, libstlport Maintainer, to build OpenOffice.org.
There were some changes to our highly unofficial debian-packages of
libstlport. 

The problem is now, that Chris Halls builded OpenOffice.org againts
Torsten's libstlport packages, but they are older for apt-get, so
apt-get will not automaticly install the newer libstlport. We used
different versioning for our unofficial libstlport packages to Torsten's
official unofficial packages.

To solve that, please grap Torsten's libstlport packages from:
http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice/pool/main/stlport/

and then reinstall OpenOffice.org.

Then the problem, that libstlport_gcc_3.0.so.4.5 isn't found, should be
solved!


Regards

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RE: quickcam

[Mark L. Kahnt]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 04:10, jfcarvajal wrote:
> 
> >>Can you define "for a while" and "a little longer"? Are these 1 hour, 10
> >> minutes, 5 seconds at maybe four frames a second?
> 
> "for a while" :   aprox 15 seconds
> "a little longer":  aprox 45 seconds
> Yes, about four frames per second
> 
> Besides the quickcam I have a  USB epson scanner that works properly. ...
> Though I haven't tested it while the gqcam program is hanged. I'll try that
> this afternoon.
> 
> Cheers
> 
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Okay, remind me - can that model be used as a roving digital camera,
with the images then downloaded into a computer when it is reconnected?
If so, it sounds like it is taking individual images, putting them each
in a separate slot in the camera's memory, and when it runs out of that
memory, it can no longer answer the grabbing function of xawtv or gqcam.
It *shouldn't* really be running that way when functioning as a video
camera, but I haven't seen anything to switch either of them to "snap
image, transfer image, clear image" with my camera, and I suspect that
it is presently the same thing with yours :(
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Re: Installing new kernel

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"David" == David Pastern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 David> At what exact point of the process of compiling the new kernel
 David> would I do the make-kpkg.  After everything else i've done?


Please look at /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz, 
 man make-kpkg kernel-pkg.conf kernel-img.conf (the first mentioned is
 a HOWTO document, that should lead you through things [suggestions
 for improvement welcome], the latter are references for advanced
 usage). 

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Re: Installing new kernel

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>>"Mark" == Mark L Kahnt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 Mark> What is recommended with Debian, however, is to use make-kpkg after you
 Mark> do the configuring and "make dep" - 

That was an excellent post, but as a very very minor point --
 make-kpkg runs make dep for you, so you don't have to ;-)

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Re: Installing new kernel

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>>"David" == David Pastern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 David> What is the difference between apt getting the kernel-image
 David> versus kernel-source?

The former is the compiled kernel image, that can be used for
 booting the sytem, complete with modules and all, the latter is the
 siurce, that you can configu re yourself and build into a kernel
 image.

 David> I noticed that the kernel-source d/l to /usr/src.  Then I
 David> untarred it and went into the newly created dir and ran make.
 David> I then compiled the kernel and modules.  After doing that I
 David> ran "make dep && make clean".  Then I did "make bzImage".  I
 David> then did "make modules" and then "make modules_install".  Once
 David> that was all done I did "depmod -a".

 David> Once done I copied the System.map and bzImage files to the
 David> /boot dir and then renamed them with appropriate names.  I
 David> then had to manually update lilo.conf and then restart lilo.
 David> Reboot and hey presto!  Is the way i've done it wrong?  It
 David> seems to have worked for me, and it was advice I received from
 David> a friend (a debian user), reading from several books and man
 David> pages.  Please let me know if i'm doing things wrong.  It does
 David> seem to have worked, and corresponds to what I read in my
 David> books!

That does indeed work. But now the packaging system (dpkg)
 does not know you have that image isntalled, and can't be used to
 remove it. And you had to remember to do several things in sequence
 -- and I generally forget something crucial. 

If you install kernel-package, you get a command called make-kpkg.

Advantages of using make-kpkg
-- -- - -

I have been asked several times about the advantages of using
 the kernel-package package over the traditional Linux way of hand
 compiling kernels, and I have come up with this list. This is off the
 top of my head, I'm sure to have missed points yet. Any additions
 welcomed.

 i) Convenience. I used to compile kernels manually, and it
involved a series of steps to be taken in order;
kernel-package was written to take all the required steps (it
has grown beyond that now, but essentially, that is what it
does). This is especially important to novices: make-kpkg
takes all the steps required to compile a kernel, and
installation of kernels is a snap.
ii) It allows you to keep multiple version of kernel images on
your machine with no fuss.
   iii) It has a facility for you to keep multiple flavours of the
same kernel version on your machine (you could have a stable
2.0.33 version, and a 2.0.33 version patched with the latest
drivers, and not worry about contaminating the modules in
/lib/modules).
iv) It knows that some architectures do not have vmlinuz (using
vmlinux instead), and others use zImage rather than bzImage,
and calls the appropriate target, and takes care of moving the
correct file into place.
 v) Several other kernel module packages are hooked into
kernel-package, so one can seamlessly compile, say, pcmcia
modules at the same time as one compiles a kernel, and be
assured that the modules so compiled are compatible.
vi) It enables you to use the package management system to keep
track of the kernels created. Using make-kpkg creates a .deb
file, and dpkg can track it for you. This facilitates the task
of other packages that depend on the kernel packages.
   vii) It keeps track of the configuration file for each kernel image
in /boot, which is part of the image package, and hence the
kernel image and the configuration file are always together.
  viii) It allows you to specify a directory with config files, with
separate config files for each subarchitecture (even allows
for different config files for i386, i486, etc). It is really
neat for people who need to compile kernels for a variety of
sub architectures.
ix) It allows to create a package with the headers, or the
sources, also as a deb file, and enables the package
management system to keep track of those (and there are
packages that depend on the package management system being
aware of these packages).
 x) Since the kernel image package is a full fledged Debian
package, it comes with maintainer scripts, which take care of
details like offering to make a boot disk, manipulating
symbolic links in / so that you can make boot loader scripts
static (just refer to the symbolic links, rather than the real
image files; the names of the symbolic links do not change,
but the kernel image file names change with the version).
xi) There is support for the multitudinous subarchitectures that
have blossomed unde

Re: cups -newbie

[Setyo Nugroho]

my kernel is 2.4.18 
i typed "modprobe lp irq=7", but saw no change.

flwg command "#cat output.prn >dev/usb/lp0" worked well.But "#lpr
print.ps",  

found that either or both usb-uhci and/or printer modules are
indispensable. without one or both of them it would produce a warning
"bash: /dev/usb/lp0: No such device". 

# lpinfo -v
lpinfo: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused

"lspci -v -s 00:07.2" gave this:
"00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 16)
(prog-if 00 [UHCI])
Subsystem: Unknown device 0925:1234
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 9
I/O ports at d400 [size=32]
Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2" 

# "modprobe lp irq=9" produced this: 
"/lib/modules/2.4.18-k7/kernel/drivers/char/lp.o: invalid parameter
parm_irq
/lib/modules/2.4.18-k7/kernel/drivers/char/lp.o: insmod
/lib/modules/2.4.18-k7/kernel/drivers/char/lp.o failed"

and "#lpinfo -v" gave this:
"lpinfo: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused". Similar
warnings I got, when commands such as "#lpadmin -d printer" were typed. 
What does it mean? 

How to solve this problem? 

Setyo Nugroho


> if your using kernel 2.4 I believe you need to specify the
> option on the command line(or in modules.conf) something
> like:
> 
> modprobe lp irq=7
> 
> see if it speeds it up ??
> 
> nate
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: OT: storing laptop (Li-ion) batteries

[ben]

On Monday 09 September 2002 07:03 pm, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 08:05:57PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> | also sprach Joe Hendrix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.09.09.2003 +0200]:
> | > Seal them in bags so they stay dry and store them in the freezer.  They
> | > should stay charged quite a bit longer.
> |
> | Anyone ever done this?
>
> No, but it sounds reasonable.  Batteries create electricity as a
> result of a chemical reaction.  Chemical reactions are slower when the
> environment is cold, thus putting the batt. in a freezer will slow
> down the reaction.  Effectively you are looking for a "pause" button
> on the reaction until you are ready to use the battery, and slowing
> the reaction with a cold environment is the closest you'll be able to
> come.
>
> HTH,
> -D

i've had a store of [originally 24] lithium 3 volt desktop batteries in the 
freezer for about two years. the most recent one i pulled one from that stock 
was about three months ago, to replace a dead one in a friend's box, and it 
appears to be as fresh as the first one i put in one of my own machines back 
when i got them. so, although i'm not talking about laptop batteries, in my 
experience, the theory holds.

ben


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Re: modem <-> performance weirdness

[ben]

On Monday 09 September 2002 11:34 pm, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.09.10.0401 +0200]:
> > martin f krafft wrote:
> > > - as soon as the connection is started (i.e. the modem screams),
> > >   the system load just keeps climbing.
> >
> > This is a kernel bug, a pppd bug, or a hardware bug.  I'd bet on the
> > latter.
>
> i just swapped in another modem. same thing. and the hardware is old
> but flawless. then again, what other means to i have to test the
> serial controller?

have you checked the write permissions on /dev/modem? is the user in the 
approriate group? just guessing, since you seem to be struggling.

ben


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Re: Installing from a floppy disk

[Pat Colbeck]

Did you download the correct rescue.bin image ?
There are several for different processor types and floppy disk sizes (ed 
1.2Mb 1.44Mb).

Pat


On Monday 09 September 2002 4:03 pm, Sami Rayes wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When I boot my PC with the "Rescue.bin" floppy I get repeated lines
> saying that the kernel could not be found.
>
> I re-downloaded the file and re-copied it using rawrite, but I always
> get the same result.
>
> I am a first time user!
>
> Kindly advise.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Sami Rayes.
>
>
>
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Re: ssh problem

[Joerg Johannes]

OK, Thank you, I have removed "PARANOID" from the client's
/etc/host.deny and now I can connect. Only scp is not working, but this
seems to be a problem with my ssh installation:

scp file user@indy:~/
jorg@indy's password: 
scp: warning: Executing scp1 compatibility.
scp: FATAL: Executing ssh1 in compatibility mode failed (Check that scp1
is in your PATH).
lost connection

I then tried scp -2 file user@indy:~/
-> same error message
I saw that I do not have ssh1 in my PATH, in fact I don't have it at
all. 

On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 06:23:17PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
>   ping -nc1 indy | head -1
>   ping -nc1 real.silly.long.host.name | head -1

Those are identical.

> also, try doing a connect as follows:
> 
>   ssh -vv indy 2>&1 | gzip -9 > /tmp/ssh-debug-out.gz
> 
I dit that with scp, have a look at scp-debug-out-joerg.gz

> and upload the file /tmp/ssh-debug-out.gz to
> ftp://ftp.madduck.net/pub/incoming (don't forget to set binary mode).
> let me know when it's there...

Should be there now, thanks for your time

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Re: Installing new kernel

[Mark L. Kahnt]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 04:15, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >>"Mark" == Mark L Kahnt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>  Mark> What is recommended with Debian, however, is to use make-kpkg after you
>  Mark> do the configuring and "make dep" - 
> 
>   That was an excellent post, but as a very very minor point --
>  make-kpkg runs make dep for you, so you don't have to ;-)
> 
>   manoj

Shall we say "Oops!"

At least "make dep" is one of those steps that it doesn't hurt to do
multiple times at that point, iirc...

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Re: [woody] sendmail bug?. Yes, it is

[Davi Leal]

> > I have installed Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r0 (woody). I have updated it from
> > security and ftp.debian.org using apt-get.
> >
> > I have found troubles installing sendmail 8.12.3-4
> >
> > /usr/sbin/sendmailconfig: /usr/sbin/update-conf: No such file or
> > directory
> > Correct /etc/mail/sendmail.conf before continuing.
> > # ls -l /etc/mail/
> > Does not show any sendmail.conf file!.

> this bug has been around for a while, luckily its easily
> worked around:
>
> run locate update-conf
> and link to it from /usr/sbin
>
> i think it's in /usr/share/sendmail/bin or something


I have applied this work around: "ln -s /usr/share/sendmail/update_conf
/usr/sbin/update_conf", but the sendmail daemon does not run.

 * If I execute "/etc/init.d/sendmail start" the system shows:
Starting Mail Transport Agent: Sendmailsendmail has not been
configured, not started.
To configure sendmail, type sendmailconfig

 * So, I execute "sendmailconfig" again:
Configure sendmail with the existing /etc/mail/sendmail.conf? [Y]
Reading configuration from /etc/mail/sendmail.conf.
Validating configuration.
Writing configuration to /etc/mail/sendmail.conf.
Writing /etc/cron.d/sendmail.
Configure sendmail with the existing /etc/mail/sendmail.mc? [Y]
Reload the running sendmail now with the new configuration? [Y]
Reloading sendmail ...

 * I execute "ps -el | grep sendmail" and it does not show anything!


Reading
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=sendmail&archive
=no I have thought to install the package from testing or unstable.

http://packages.debian.org/stable/mail/sendmail.html
Package: sendmail 8.12.3-4

http://packages.debian.org/testing/mail/sendmail.html
Package: sendmail 8.12.5-1

http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/sendmail.html
Package: sendmail 8.12.6-4


Installing the sendmail package from "testing" or from "unstable" solves the
problem, that is to say, it gets the sendmail process running, but it shows
the below message. Is that message important?.

Starting Mail Transport Agent: sendmailWarning: Cannot use
HostStatusDirectory
 = /var/lib/sendmail/host_status: No such file or directory
.


Regards,
Davi Leal



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Re: typo error

[Torsten Werner]

On Tuesday, 2002-09-10 at 10:13:59 AM (+0200), Jan-Hendrik Palic wrote:
> we are now using the official unofficial debian-packages [1]from
> Torsten Werner, libstlport Maintainer, to build OpenOffice.org. There
> were some changes to our highly unofficial debian-packages of
> libstlport. 
> 
> The problem is now, that Chris Halls builded OpenOffice.org againts
> Torsten's libstlport packages, but they are older for apt-get, so
> apt-get will not automaticly install the newer libstlport. We used
> different versioning for our unofficial libstlport packages to
> Torsten's official unofficial packages.
> 
> To solve that, please grap Torsten's libstlport packages from:
> http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice/pool/main/stlport/
> 
> and then reinstall OpenOffice.org.
> 
> Then the problem, that libstlport_gcc_3.0.so.4.5 isn't found, should
> be solved!

For having some extra fun I can tell you that Debian revision -3 of
stlport never got installed into the ftp archive. I have uploaded a new
version -4 that does not support g++-3.2 (aka openoffice) any more. The
g++-3.2 transition is planned when a policy for the transition is
published.

Since I will have vacation until 2-Oct-2002 I am not sure if I can build
some experimental packages that support g++-3.2. All my stuff is
available at

deb http://twerner.debian.net/ stlport/
deb-src http://twerner.debian.net/ stlport/


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Re: pop server

[Tom Allison]

Sean wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> I'm currently running courier-imap-ssl and courier-pop-ssl for IMAP and POP3 
> on a smallish server I have sitting out there in the great beyond, and have 
> had good luck so far.
> 
> Sean
> 

courier...
That only supports Maildir (qmail) format.
Do you know of any that work with the mail-file formats?


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Re: typo error

[Chris Halls]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 10:13:59AM +0200, Jan-Hendrik Palic wrote:
> To solve that, please grap Torsten's libstlport packages from:
> http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice/pool/main/stlport/
> 
> and then reinstall OpenOffice.org.

Well, alternatively just downgrade libstlport in place; that way you do not
need to reinstall the openoffice packages.

I've uploaded a new openoffice.org package which conflicts with the problem
version of libstlport, to make this more obvious.

Chris



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Re: Whatever happened to "Unidentified Subject!"

[Nick Hastings]

* Tom Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020910 18:18]:
> On  0, Nick Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > However, Baloo asks an interesting question. It would be nice to send
> > emails with no subject to /dev/null. Anyone got a procmail rule for
> > finding empty headers?
> 
> Haven't tried it, but shouldn't:
> 
> :0:
> * ^Subject:[\ ]*$
> /dev/null
> 
> do it?

Ah, looks good but I guess ":0:" should be ":0".

Thanks,

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Re: pop server

[Sean]

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Actually, qpopper will give you pop3, and you can keep the mbox format. Of 
course I don't understand why you want to keep mbox  it's really not any 
better than Maildir (and vice versa), and MTAs like exim can easily deliever 
to either one.

Just a suggestion.

Sean

On Tuesday 10 September 2002 06:00 am, Tom Allison wrote:
> Sean wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > I'm currently running courier-imap-ssl and courier-pop-ssl for IMAP and
> > POP3 on a smallish server I have sitting out there in the great beyond,
> > and have had good luck so far.
> >
> > Sean
>
> courier...
> That only supports Maildir (qmail) format.
> Do you know of any that work with the mail-file formats?

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Re: OpenOffice failure

[Vittorio]

Javier Bertoli [debian-user] <06/09/02 16:20 -0300>:
> On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Phillip Hofmeister wrote:
> 
> > All,
> >
> > For some reason when I upgraded to syslog-ng some time ago (removing
> > sysklogd) my kern.log stopped showing.  My syslog-ng.conf file seems to
> > include a kern.log
> 
>   Yep. That happened to me too. Somebody, somewhere, sometime,
> posted a solution that helped me to get it working back again.
> 
>   All you need to do is to change the "source" line for the kernel
> log in syslog-ng.conf:
> 
>   source src { unix-dgram("/dev/log"); internal(); };
> 
>   Needs to be changed to
> 
>   source src {
>   internal();
>   unix-stream("/dev/log");
>   file("/proc/kmsg");
>   };
> 
>   And kill HUP syslog-ng (or restart it, whatever). And that's it.
> 
> > Can anyone think why it would not be showing anything in kern.log?
> 
>   Nop. Don't know. Notice, however, that it changes from a dgram to
> a stream socket type. Perhaps the reason is there:
> 
>   From syslog-ng.conf:
> 
>* unix-dgram  - reads messages  from  the  given
>AF_UNIX, SOCK_DGRAM socket (BSDi style)
> 
>*  unix-stream   - reads messages from the given
>AF_UNIX, SOCK_STREAM socket (Linux style)
> 
>   Anyway, it should work. Hope this helps.
> 
>   Saludos
> 
>   Javier
> 

Friends (and to whom it may concern), I solved my problem! Leafing
through OpenOffice mailing lists I've found that it is enough to add

unset SESSION_MANAGER


at the beginning of /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice file.









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Hi
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as requested at 
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Fvwm configuration

[Glyn Millington]

Greetings.  I'm running Woody with a 2.4.18 kernel.


Window managers - I've toyed with Windowmaker, stayed with Blackbox a
long time, but have come back to Fvwm - currently have the latest
unstable installed in /usr/local and it is wonderful!!  

I want to do this in the Debain way though - What I cannot completely
grasp is the Debian way with fvwm, where most of the user configuration
is done in "hook" files called from the system .fvwm2rc file.  I'm not
clear what should go into which hook file - and yes I have read the docs
but am just dim :-( 

Can anyone point me to a full sample configuration ?  Or maybe share
their own ?  


TIA


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mtent warning - newbie

[Setyo Nugroho]

I got 3 rows of the flwg msg during booting:  
"[mtent] warning: no final new line at the end of etc/fstab"

The same msg, when I mount /windows

the flwg is my /etc/fstab file

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
#  
/dev/hda1   /windowsvfatrw,user,noauto  0
/dev/hda6   /   ext2errors=remount-ro   0
/dev/hda3   noneswapsw  0
proc/proc   procdefaults0
/dev/fd0/floppy autouser,noauto 0
/dev/cdrom  /cdrom  iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0
/dev/hdd/dvdiso9660 ro,user,noauto 0   0
/dev/hda5   /boot   ext2defaults0
/dev/hda7   /home   ext2defaults0
/dev/hda8   /varext2defaults0
usbdevfs/proc/bus/usb   usbdevfs defaults   0

What does it mean? FYI: I still couldn't get my printer working well. 


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Re: modem <-> performance weirdness

[Edward Guldemond]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 08:33:22AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> here's the setserial output:
> 
> /dev/modem, Line 0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4
> Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0
> closing_wait: 3000
> Flags: spd_normal

That all looks normal, given the circumstances.  Now, since this is a
486, I'm betting that it as an ISA bus.  Make sure that the IRQ and port
settings are unique.  (They sound like they are, since the modem works
otherwise, just pulling at straws...)

> nope. none. probably because syslogd doesn't get any processor time to
> write...

Well, you've got me stumped.  As someone alluded to earlier, see if
there are any reports of that being a kernel bug.  Beyond that, double
check the options you set when you compiled the kernel and make sure
they aren't too far off the mark.

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Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[Edward Guldemond]

Sorry, couldn't stay out of this flame war, and yes, I do have my
asbestos armor on.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 11:47:38AM +1000, David Pastern wrote:
> You guys are goddamn rude.  If this is linux helpfulness at it's best god
> help linux and open source.  To quote three dead trolls in a baggie' every
> os sucks.mp3:

Rudeness begets rudeness.  If the person had brought constructive
criticism instead of flames, this never would have happened.
Apparently, he thinks he's a l33t d00d instead of stopping and thinking
that maybe this question has been asked before and that maybe someone
was working on it.  Instead he goes and attacks the structure of the
Debian system.  If he doesn't like it, he doesn't have to use it.
That's the beauty of open source.  Plus, show me one major vendor that
offers all of it's technical support through Usenet.  The Usenet groups
that exist for Linux are supposed to be distribution agnostic, and he
could always take his problem there.

If someone has to quote an MP3 instead of making constructive arguments,
then he needs to learn how to argue effectively.

> Please note the phrase "elitist nerdy schmucks".  I've fucked around with
> Debian linux now for nearly a week, spending countless hours trying to get
> it to work and it's still rooted.  MAN pages are pathetic.  They're great if
> you're a really experienced user.  If not, they are just downright plain
> confusing, quite often not even touching on the subject that you want to
> know about.

Man pages are documentation.  If someone tells you to RTFM, and you tell
them to STFU, then you're only exacerbating the problem.  RTFM, and if
you have questions about that, then ask them about the manual.  The
moment that you attack the source of your help, or the moment that you
become lame (such as asking if you can ask a question), then you're
going to be treated like you're lame.  Linux is not for morons.  Windows
is not for morons, but there are more morons using Windows than any
other operating system because it's 'perty'.

> Go visit a few IRC channels for help and you get rudely treated (i've tried
> 4 different IRC servers thanks and quite politely, i've had enough).  The
> RTFM attitude that most experienced linux users pervay is pathetic.  And
> counter productive to open source' image.  The thing is this attitude goes
> way to the top of linux developers, so it's not going to change.

You have to remember that all of us were newbies at some time.  I'll be
that 95% of us have been told to RTFM.  The manual is there for a
reason.  Coders have better things to do than listen to someone who
hasn't been considerate enough to read the manual or check a mailing
list archive before sending 15 email messages to him telling him that
the software doesn't work.  (Oh, and about 5 asking why he hasn't
responded yet because this software is 'important'.)  RTFM is not a bad
thing, and it should be required.  How would you like it if your heart
surgeon hadn't RTFM; would you trust him then?  In my opinion, open
source will never die, it will just clean itself, like the ocean before
it, of any people that can't understand that documentation is more than
a Spanish guy named Manual, and that mailing lists are for intelligent
discussion that some random person's bitching.

Oh, and tell me about the 'top' of the Linux Developers.  There is no
Linux Development team, per se.  Sure, there's the kernel team, but I
haven't seen anything too nasty coming for Linus or Alan lately, and if
you emailed them for support with fdisk or wine, then you're just lame.

> I'd recently bought (yes paid money) for Suse 8 pro.  I decided to trial it
> on my laptop, Compaq Armada 1750.  Eventually, I got it to work and install.
> After contacting Suse support that is.  Installation manual had nothing on
> my problem that I encountered.  Google search didn't find anything (hey i'm
> not going to search thru 25k of pages hoping to find something).  Search of
> Suse' dbase didn't find an answer.  So I relied on support.  Their reply was
> cryptic to say the least.  No mention of how to do it, just do this.  That's
> pathetic.  And i'm paying for support!  Once I finally got Suse installed
> sound was fux0red.  Odd.  Anyways I did check the Suse dbase and found what
> I thought was my answer - setup settings for my very laptop for Suse 8 pro.
> I copied the settings for the soundcard to the "T".  Wouldn't work.  So I
> emailed Suse ( by this time i'm rather pissed off with it all) and I get
> told "sorry we don't support soundcards in basic support).  Gee - get this
> guys - in any other business they'd go bust.  Big time.  That is PATHETIC
> support.  To a "T".  And the funny thing?  I've had redhat 7, 7.1 and 7.2 on
> that very said laptop without a single installation issue.  And i've had
> sound working on it on all occasions.  Funny that Suse couldn't manage it.  

Okay, why are you flaming SuSe on a Debian mailing list?  Because they
told you to RTFM, and you couldn'

Re: mtent warning - newbie

[Tom Goulet (UID0)]

> I got 3 rows of the flwg msg during booting:  
> "[mtent] warning: no final new line at the end of etc/fstab"

This should fix it:
echo >> /etc/fstab
Make sure there are two >>s.

> the flwg is my /etc/fstab file

Please spell words out in full.

> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
> /dev/hda6   /   ext2errors=remount-ro   0

Are you sure you are copying all of it?  Most of the lines are missing
the last field.

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Re: mtent warning - newbie

[Stephen Gran]

This one time, at band camp, Setyo Nugroho said:
> I got 3 rows of the flwg msg during booting:  
> "[mtent] warning: no final new line at the end of etc/fstab"
> 
> The same msg, when I mount /windows
> 
> the flwg is my /etc/fstab file
> 
> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
> #
> #  
> /dev/hda1   /windowsvfatrw,user,noauto  0
> /dev/hda6   /   ext2errors=remount-ro   0
> /dev/hda3   noneswapsw  0
> proc/proc   procdefaults0
> /dev/fd0/floppy autouser,noauto 0
> /dev/cdrom  /cdrom  iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0
> /dev/hdd/dvdiso9660 ro,user,noauto 0   0
> /dev/hda5   /boot   ext2defaults0
> /dev/hda7   /home   ext2defaults0
> /dev/hda8   /varext2defaults0
> usbdevfs/proc/bus/usb   usbdevfs defaults   0
> 
> What does it mean? FYI: I still couldn't get my printer working well. 
> 
> 
> Setyo

A newline is also known as a carriage return, enter, etc.  fstab wants
you to put one at the end of the last line, so it knows the line
terminates.  Just curious - is the above cut slightly off, or do you
really have only one number at the end of most columns?  There should be
two, like with /dev/hdd.

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Re: Fvwm configuration

[Udo Schlaepfer]

Glyn Millington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I want to do this in the Debain way though - What I cannot completely
> grasp is the Debian way with fvwm, where most of the user configuration
> is done in "hook" files called from the system .fvwm2rc file.  I'm not
> clear what should go into which hook file - and yes I have read the docs
> but am just dim :-( 

Mhm, the only hook file i am using is the debian menu hook file
/etc/X11/fvwm/menudefs.hook
and it is autoupdated by the package system.
 
> Can anyone point me to a full sample configuration ?  Or maybe share
> their own ?  

There should be several example configurations installed on your system:
/etc/X11/fvwm/system.fvwm2rc
/usr/doc/fvwm/sample.fvwmrc/*

The man page is quite detailed, just copy one of the config files (i
suggest /etc/X11/fvwm/system.fvwm2rc) to ~/.fvwm/.fvwm2rc and start
tailoring it to your needs.

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Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[klaus imgrund]

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:43:06 -0400
Edward Guldemond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I'd recently bought (yes paid money) for Suse 8 pro.  I decided to
> > trial it on my laptop, Compaq Armada 1750.  Eventually, I got it to
> > work and install. After contacting Suse support that is. 
> > Installation manual had nothing on my problem that I encountered. 
> > Google search didn't find anything (hey i'm not going to search thru
> > 25k of pages hoping to find something).  Search of Suse' dbase
> > didn't find an answer.  So I relied on support.  Their reply was
> > cryptic to say the least.  No mention of how to do it, just do this.
> >  That's
> > pathetic.  And i'm paying for support!  Once I finally got Suse
> > installed sound was fux0red.  Odd.  Anyways I did check the Suse
> > dbase and found what I thought was my answer - setup settings for my
> > very laptop for Suse 8 pro. I copied the settings for the soundcard
> > to the "T".  Wouldn't work.  So I emailed Suse ( by this time i'm
> > rather pissed off with it all) and I get told "sorry we don't
> > support soundcards in basic support).  Gee - get this guys - in any
> > other business they'd go bust.  Big time.  That is PATHETIC support.
> >  To a "T".  And the funny thing?  I've had redhat 7, 7.1 and 7.2 on
> > that very said laptop without a single installation issue.  And i've
> > had sound working on it on all occasions.  Funny that Suse couldn't
> > manage it.  
> 
> Okay, why are you flaming SuSe on a Debian mailing list?  Because they
> told you to RTFM, and you couldn't because you were too busy telling
> them that they sucked?  Maybe you should have installed RedHat, copied
> down the settings for the sound card, and replicated them under SuSe.
> Wait, did I just give useful help

I can see somebody being pi**ed at Suse by paying for it and expecting
support for it.
Those guys don't even tell you to RTFM but go right ahead and try to
sell you service you already paid for because almost nothing but help on
how to find the power-on switch is included there.
The fineprint was probably written by some guy the hired from M$.
What that got to do with Debian and the best mailinglist in Linux?
-No idea.

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Re: mtent warning - newbie

[Setyo Nugroho]

I am also surprised that the last column was not displayed. 

Here is the complete /etc/fstab file:

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
#
/dev/hda1   /windowsvfatrw,user,noauto  0  0
/dev/hda6   /   ext2errors=remount-ro   0  1
/dev/hda3   noneswapsw  0  0
proc/proc   procdefaults0  0
/dev/fd0/floppy autouser,noauto 0  0
/dev/cdrom  /cdrom  iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0  0
/dev/hdd/dvdiso9660 ro,user,noauto 0   0
/dev/hda5   /boot   ext2defaults   0  2
/dev/hda7   /home   ext2defaults   0  2
/dev/hda8   /varext2defaults   0  2
usbdevfs/proc/bus/usb   usbdevfs defaults   0  0


Setyo



On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 14:43, Tom Goulet (UID0) wrote:
> > I got 3 rows of the flwg msg during booting:  
> > "[mtent] warning: no final new line at the end of etc/fstab"
> 
> This should fix it:
> echo >> /etc/fstab
> Make sure there are two >>s.
> 
> > the flwg is my /etc/fstab file
> 
> Please spell words out in full.
> 
> > # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
> > /dev/hda6   /   ext2errors=remount-ro   0
> 
> Are you sure you are copying all of it?  Most of the lines are missing
> the last field.
> 
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RE: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[David Pastern]

well since you want to be rude and immature i'll respond in likewise - go
fuck yourself.  It's people like you that piss newbies off and turn them
away from linux and open source.  You have major attitude.  Most probably a
14 year old looking at your choice of l33t etc as words.  

For that matter I wasn't knocking the debian system, I was having a go at a
few users who were plain downright rude.  And at the general elitism that
i've personally found from a large % of linux users elsewhere (and that
appeared to initially be the case on the debian lists here).  

Thankfully most of the people who have voiced their opinion on this subject
have not been rude like yourself.  In fact several have agreed with my
voiced opinion.  There's an old saying son and it's "they can't all be
wrong".  

Oh and I don't being implied as being a moron either mate.  Oh and if you'd
bothered to read and comprehend my original post - with the Suse issue it
was purely an example of the poor linux support (and I had paid for support
by purchasing their product).  Every single person that I personally know
who works in the IT industry (10+) have been disgusted with the lack of
support by Suse.  My reference to them was an example.  You'd also realised
that I had in fact down research with my Suse problem (and I typically do
this as it is the only way to learn).  So please don't make assumptions
about

1. my intelligence

2. my efforts that I do make before resorting to asking for help.  

Oh and if i want to quote the lyrics from a song, then that's my goddamn
right.  If you don't like it tough.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Edward Guldemond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 September 2002 10:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern
Subject: Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)


 
Sorry, couldn't stay out of this flame war, and yes, I do have my
asbestos armor on.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 11:47:38AM +1000, David Pastern wrote:
> You guys are goddamn rude.  If this is linux helpfulness at it's best god
> help linux and open source.  To quote three dead trolls in a baggie' every
> os sucks.mp3:

Rudeness begets rudeness.  If the person had brought constructive
criticism instead of flames, this never would have happened.
Apparently, he thinks he's a l33t d00d instead of stopping and thinking
that maybe this question has been asked before and that maybe someone
was working on it.  Instead he goes and attacks the structure of the
Debian system.  If he doesn't like it, he doesn't have to use it.
That's the beauty of open source.  Plus, show me one major vendor that
offers all of it's technical support through Usenet.  The Usenet groups
that exist for Linux are supposed to be distribution agnostic, and he
could always take his problem there.

If someone has to quote an MP3 instead of making constructive arguments,
then he needs to learn how to argue effectively.

> Please note the phrase "elitist nerdy schmucks".  I've fucked around with
> Debian linux now for nearly a week, spending countless hours trying to get
> it to work and it's still rooted.  MAN pages are pathetic.  They're great
if
> you're a really experienced user.  If not, they are just downright plain
> confusing, quite often not even touching on the subject that you want to
> know about.

Man pages are documentation.  If someone tells you to RTFM, and you tell
them to STFU, then you're only exacerbating the problem.  RTFM, and if
you have questions about that, then ask them about the manual.  The
moment that you attack the source of your help, or the moment that you
become lame (such as asking if you can ask a question), then you're
going to be treated like you're lame.  Linux is not for morons.  Windows
is not for morons, but there are more morons using Windows than any
other operating system because it's 'perty'.

> Go visit a few IRC channels for help and you get rudely treated (i've
tried
> 4 different IRC servers thanks and quite politely, i've had enough).  The
> RTFM attitude that most experienced linux users pervay is pathetic.  And
> counter productive to open source' image.  The thing is this attitude goes
> way to the top of linux developers, so it's not going to change.

You have to remember that all of us were newbies at some time.  I'll be
that 95% of us have been told to RTFM.  The manual is there for a
reason.  Coders have better things to do than listen to someone who
hasn't been considerate enough to read the manual or check a mailing
list archive before sending 15 email messages to him telling him that
the software doesn't work.  (Oh, and about 5 asking why he hasn't
responded yet because this software is 'important'.)  RTFM is not a bad
thing, and it should be required.  How would you like it if your heart
surgeon hadn't RTFM; would you trust him then?  In my opinion, open
source will never die, it will just clean itself, like the ocean before
it, of any people that can't understand that documentation is m

gcc 3.2 on woody

[enrico]

Hello,

does someone know where to find gcc 3.2 packages compiled for woody?

Bye, Enrico


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RE: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[David Pastern]

Klaus,

My inclusion of the Suse anecdote was purely an example of what I considered
poor service from Suse.  I've had very good service from Redhat in the past
truth be told.  That sort of adds to my disappointment with Suse even more I
guess.  

I know debian is open source and is a non profit distribution.  After
playing with it for a week and a half (and learning a reasonable amount in
that time frame) i've managed to get it working.  And i'm happy.  I don't
have a problem with Debian mailing lists/help.  I do have a problem with
people like those that I replied to in my original post and their attitudes
to linux newbies.  

I will 100% stand by my original words on elitism being present in linux and
its users.  I know not everyone one of you guys is like this.  The vast
majority are nice, helpful and patient from what I have seen on the posts so
far, despite seeing the same questions being asked time and time again.  

I maintain that RTFM is not a suitable response.  

Tchau,

Dave

-Original Message-
From: klaus imgrund [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 September 2002 8:39 PM
To: Edward Guldemond; David Pastern
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)


 
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:43:06 -0400
Edward Guldemond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I'd recently bought (yes paid money) for Suse 8 pro.  I decided to
> > trial it on my laptop, Compaq Armada 1750.  Eventually, I got it to
> > work and install. After contacting Suse support that is. 
> > Installation manual had nothing on my problem that I encountered. 
> > Google search didn't find anything (hey i'm not going to search thru
> > 25k of pages hoping to find something).  Search of Suse' dbase
> > didn't find an answer.  So I relied on support.  Their reply was
> > cryptic to say the least.  No mention of how to do it, just do this.
> >  That's
> > pathetic.  And i'm paying for support!  Once I finally got Suse
> > installed sound was fux0red.  Odd.  Anyways I did check the Suse
> > dbase and found what I thought was my answer - setup settings for my
> > very laptop for Suse 8 pro. I copied the settings for the soundcard
> > to the "T".  Wouldn't work.  So I emailed Suse ( by this time i'm
> > rather pissed off with it all) and I get told "sorry we don't
> > support soundcards in basic support).  Gee - get this guys - in any
> > other business they'd go bust.  Big time.  That is PATHETIC support.
> >  To a "T".  And the funny thing?  I've had redhat 7, 7.1 and 7.2 on
> > that very said laptop without a single installation issue.  And i've
> > had sound working on it on all occasions.  Funny that Suse couldn't
> > manage it.  
> 
> Okay, why are you flaming SuSe on a Debian mailing list?  Because they
> told you to RTFM, and you couldn't because you were too busy telling
> them that they sucked?  Maybe you should have installed RedHat, copied
> down the settings for the sound card, and replicated them under SuSe.
> Wait, did I just give useful help

I can see somebody being pi**ed at Suse by paying for it and expecting
support for it.
Those guys don't even tell you to RTFM but go right ahead and try to
sell you service you already paid for because almost nothing but help on
how to find the power-on switch is included there.
The fineprint was probably written by some guy the hired from M$.
What that got to do with Debian and the best mailinglist in Linux?
-No idea.

Klaus


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Re: Whatever happened to "Unidentified Subject!"

[christophe barbé]

In a related topic, I would be interested by a procmail rule to filter
email with date in the future (or fix them with the current time).

Christophe

On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 09:00:55PM +1000, Nick Hastings wrote:
> * Tom Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020910 18:18]:
> > On  0, Nick Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > However, Baloo asks an interesting question. It would be nice to send
> > > emails with no subject to /dev/null. Anyone got a procmail rule for
> > > finding empty headers?
> > 
> > Haven't tried it, but shouldn't:
> > 
> > :0:
> > * ^Subject:[\ ]*$
> > /dev/null
> > 
> > do it?
> 
> Ah, looks good but I guess ":0:" should be ":0".
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nick.
> 
> -- 
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> Linux onefish 2.4.19-lavienx #1 Mon Aug 12 20:29:59 EST 2002
> i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
> 
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Re: What program to record from /dev/dsp

[Viktor Rosenfeld]

Hi,

Burkhard Ritter wrote:

> hallo.
> 
> you perhabs want to try out ecasound (www.eca.cx). in newer dev versions
> it supports large files. you might have to compile it yourself as this
> feature is configured at compile time. ecasound is able to record and
> convert to wave in one step (you won't need sox), it can even record
> 'directly' to mp3 (with an external program).

I've compiled ecasound-2.1dev11, but it still exited after 2G.  Darn.

Viktor
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[STOP THIS] Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear.;-)

[Matthias Szupryczynski]

He list,

just a small one, because I think this flamewar is 

1. getting out of hand

and

2. wasting our time.

Yes, probably it is tough for most newbies when they are told 'RTFM',
but being sort of a newbie myself I do not see a problem with that ...
it is one of the best advices somebody can give me, because being told
that I most often realize that the problem can be solved easily just by
reading more of the documentation. 

Yes, the manpages and most other documents out there are a little bit
hard to understand if you are new to the subject in question, but
without learning by doing you won't get anywhere. So keep on trying,
RTFM again and again, and you'll succeed. Maybe that will take a while,
but hey, nobody said it would be easy in the first place.

Just a thought, but let us please just stop this flamewar and get back
to business. We are suppose to help each other, not to fight useless
wars.

Thanks to all of you guys out there who are helping beginners like me.

Cheers

Matt 



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Dynamic hostname

[William Lacy]

I want to have my hostname assigned by the DNS server.  This should be 
set up for me but I'm not sure how it works on my end as far as my 
computer knowing how to name itself, etc.  In the past I have changed 
the hostname of a computer by editing a startup script but I can't seem 
to find it this time around.

Basically, I am getting a domain name assigned by the DHCP server that 
reserves my MAC address- will Debian automagically figure this out and 
call itself that name? Also, right now the computer names itself 
something else- do I need to change this and where do I do it?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!




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Re: Why replies are often sent to sender - was Re: KDE freezing

[Mike Dresser]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Barney Wrightson wrote:

> It's probably because by default reply-to is to the sender and not the
> list, I rememeber a debate about this on the list a while ago, but I
> can't remember why it was decided that this is a "Good Thing". I would
> have thought, if the policy was to reply to the list only (unless asked)
> then that hitting reply should give you this behaviour by default. 
>
> Barney

I happen to like it, because anything addressed to me with that cc to
the list shows up nicely with a "+" besides the email, in Pine.

Yes, I use Pine.

Yes, I _LIKE_ Pine.

(two strikes, am I almost out yet?)

When I download it to my netscape client for long term storage, I have
filters set to put everything in its own folder.   Until it hits there, I
sometimes have 5000 emails from the last couple days in my mailbox.  The
"+" stands out very nicely.

Mike


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Mice can not work in a new kernel 2.4.19

[Willy Sutrisno]

Hi,

I have installed a Debian Woody to my new system, the kernel default is 2.2.x. Since 
this kernel does not support Geforce 4. I need to have the latest kernel. So I 
downloaded the latest kernel from debian, it is 2.4.19. After I have configure the 
kernel according to my system, I compiled it and install it. Reboot and I am in. 

After compilation, I installed the Nvidia driver, and change the XFree86 config 
accordingly. Try to run 'startx', everything runs normal. I am now running IceWM, but 
my mouse has no reaction. So I thought maybe I have setup wrongly, I went back to the 
console and try every single possibility for the mouse section. By the way my mouse is 
Logitech Wheel Mouse Optical plug to the PS2 port. This mice can be plug to the USB 
port, but to make things simpler I dont do that.

The strange thing is that, when I load kernel 2.2 ,the gpm can detect my mouse and I 
can use my mouse in the console. But when I load kernel 2.4 , the gpm can not detect 
my mice so does X. Since I cant use kernel 2.2 to load my X, I cant tell you whether 
the mice will work in X environment.

Is it because I miss something when I compile the new kernel? Which modules should I 
load for this mice?

thank you

willy


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RE: [STOP THIS] Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear.;-)

[David Pastern]

Amen.  Good points Matthias.  

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Matthias Szupryczynski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 12:22 AM
To: Debian User; David Pastern
Subject: [STOP THIS] Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I
hear.;-)


 
He list,

just a small one, because I think this flamewar is 

1. getting out of hand

and

2. wasting our time.

Yes, probably it is tough for most newbies when they are told 'RTFM',
but being sort of a newbie myself I do not see a problem with that ...
it is one of the best advices somebody can give me, because being told
that I most often realize that the problem can be solved easily just by
reading more of the documentation. 

Yes, the manpages and most other documents out there are a little bit
hard to understand if you are new to the subject in question, but
without learning by doing you won't get anywhere. So keep on trying,
RTFM again and again, and you'll succeed. Maybe that will take a while,
but hey, nobody said it would be easy in the first place.

Just a thought, but let us please just stop this flamewar and get back
to business. We are suppose to help each other, not to fight useless
wars.

Thanks to all of you guys out there who are helping beginners like me.

Cheers

Matt 



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Script used in our messages archive

[A R]

Hi guys, can someone tell me what script we use in our
mail list archive? We need to develop a message board
similar to the one we got in the archives. It is the
best looking one (no bias here!)
Thanks a lot
TR

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Re: DSL with several PCs

[Axel Schlicht]

Stephen Gran wrote:
Hi Stephen

Someone (I read his mail, jotted down the path to the HowTo and somehow
happened to erase his posting) also advised me to read the PMasquerade
HowTo which also looks very promising and combined with your help should
aneble me to yonquer this problem. Being busy the next 8 to 10 days I
will use that little of my spare time to figure things out and come back
then with the next question about moving mail and stuff tu Linux

Thanks a lot to both of you (in lack of an address to respond to the
other poster)

Axel Schlicht

P.S.
> Q:  What is the difference between Texas and yogurt?
> A:  Yogurt has culture.
Nice one


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Re: [Fwd: Re: Login to home from work]

[Keith G. Murphy]

That leads me to this thought:  if you really want access to a GUI 
desktop on your home machine, and/or don't want to carry an Putty floppy 
with you...

What about installing (Tight)VNC on your Linux machine, and use its 
HTTP/Java capabilities to get to your machine from any 
Internet-connected machine that has a Java-capable browser?

The beauty of that is that that web page Kenneth proposes could then 
have an actual *link* to your X desktop!

That is perhaps not too secure, but you could always run apache-ssl, or 
apache + mod_ssl, with authentication, and use mod_proxy to forward 
requests to Xvnc.

Mind you, personally I'd rather just use Putty/SSH when possible, and I 
use DynDNS for the addressing.  I would think the above would be 
substantially slower - but it could help you out in a pinch.

Kenneth Macdonald Karlsen wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Subject:
> Re: Login to home from work
> From:
> Kenneth Macdonald Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:
> 09 Sep 2002 19:39:17 +0200
> To:
> Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> If your isp has possibilities for a homepage you can make cron.hourly
> and put a script there.
> Example of script is:
> 
> ken@pingu:~$ cat ip.script 
> #!/bin/bash
> wget www.showmyip.com -O /var/tmp/ip && grep nextgen /var/tmp/ip | cat>
> /var/tmp/test.html && ncftpput -u kennkarl -p xxxwhatever
> home.broadpark.no / /var/tmp/test.html
> ken@pingu:~$ 
> --
> 
> results :
> http://home.broadpark.no/~kennkarl/test.html
> 
> Im never more than a hour away from home
> 
> 
> Kenneth
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 15:43, Paul Johnson wrote:
> 
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>>>What needs to be set up in order to login to my home box from work?  At
>>>home there is a cable modem, then a router, then two linux boxes, with
>>>mine running debian (sid). I have a 192.168.2.xx ip address.
>>
>>You'll need some way of identifying your home machine remotely.  I use
>>dyndns.org's service to get DNS.
>>
>>You'll also need to install ssh if you intend on logging in remotely.
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Problem with RADEON 8500 and ADI E55+ Monitor

[Pierre Dupuis]

Hi all !
 
I'm a new user of debian 3 (i think too i'm only a 
newbie in linux)
 
Sothis is my problem :)
 
I have installed the release but Xwindows doesn't 
seem to load. I have tried SVGA server and Xfree server but always the same 
error : 'no screen found', by the way it seem it does not recognized my video 
card which is a Radeon 8500...
 
Anyone got an idea ?
 
Thanks for all to be here, debian is great 
:)
 
See ya
 
Pierre Dupuis
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Controlling the list?

[Dennis Wicks]

Greetings;

How do I get a list of commands for this list server?

What I am looking for is how to start/stop digest mode,
sending me a copy of my own posts, holding (stopping)
the posts while on vacation, things like that.

No matter what I try I get a message back on how to
retrieve things from the archive!

TIA,
Dennis


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Re: Dynamic hostname

[Jaye Inabnit ke6sls]

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On Saturday 10 August 2002 07:22 am, William Lacy wrote:
> I want to have my hostname assigned by the DNS server.  This should be
> set up for me but I'm not sure how it works on my end as far as my
> computer knowing how to name itself, etc.  In the past I have changed
> the hostname of a computer by editing a startup script but I can't seem
> to find it this time around.
>
> Basically, I am getting a domain name assigned by the DHCP server that
> reserves my MAC address- will Debian automagically figure this out and
> call itself that name? Also, right now the computer names itself
> something else- do I need to change this and where do I do it?
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Greetings William:

I think you can do this.  IIRC, I did this on my gateway when I was still 
attempting to get DHCP to actually work with my ISP via cable.  The best way 
is to RTM on whichever DHCP client you are currently using.  

The client I used then was dhcpcd about two years ago.  I don't know what is 
natively installed with a Woody install, but you should be able to learn it 
with:  dpkg -l dhcp,  then read the documentation that comes with that 
package.

gl
tatah
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Re: [woody] sendmail bug?. Yes, it is

[nate]

Davi Leal said:


> * So, I execute "sendmailconfig" again:
>Configure sendmail with the existing /etc/mail/sendmail.conf? [Y]
>Reading configuration from /etc/mail/sendmail.conf.
>Validating configuration.
>Writing configuration to /etc/mail/sendmail.conf.
>Writing /etc/cron.d/sendmail.
>Configure sendmail with the existing /etc/mail/sendmail.mc? [Y] Reload
>the running sendmail now with the new configuration? [Y] Reloading
>sendmail ...
>
> * I execute "ps -el | grep sendmail" and it does not show anything!

> Installing the sendmail package from "testing" or from "unstable" solves
> the problem, that is to say, it gets the sendmail process running, but it
> shows the below message. Is that message important?.
>
>Starting Mail Transport Agent: sendmailWarning: Cannot use
> HostStatusDirectory
> = /var/lib/sendmail/host_status: No such file or directory
>.

it's not critical, sendmail caches responses it recieves from
servers, so if a server is down it doesn't try to reconnect to
that same server for a set period of time. you can always make
the directory(be sure its writable by the sendmail program though).
about all that will happen is the server may slow down a bit if
you process a lot of email because if a remote server is down it will
keep trying to connect and time out ..

I had the same problem as you with sendmailconfig not working on
one system, even purging sendmail and rm -rf /etc/mail and reinstalling
didn't work, no matter what the config program would not generate
a .cf file for me. so i gave up and installed postfix(that was a while
ago, and since I have migrated much of my sendmail stuff to postfix+ldap)

nate




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Re: 3D Acceleration in X not with framebuffer possible?

[nate]

Roman Joost said:
> I tried to boot up with the framebuffer and enabling the direct rendering
> features for my ATI after recompiling the kernel. If i compile the
> framebuffer thing into the kernel, boot up with the vga=XXX mode, the
> framebuffer works great. But my system can't find any agp bridge :(

when loading X are you using the driver for your card and NOT the
framebuffer driver? The only limited experience I have with framebuffer
is on SuSE systems.. I had a SuSE 7.3 system a while back dual p2-233
with a Voodoo3 2000. It used framebuffer, and 3D acceleration was available
in X as well, Tuxracer, Tuxkart etc ran at amazing framerates(I was shocked
since it was only a 233mhz cpu), and with good quality, so it had to have
been full acceleration. GLTron and others worked good too.

wish I could help more, but since I don't use framebuffer support on any
of my debian systems(don't need it ..) I'm not sure what SuSE does(if
anything) to make it work(or maybe its the driver).

what card are you using and what kernel? and what driver in X? and
what kernel modules are you loading?

nate






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module parport_pc lsst sich nicht laden

[Elimar Riesebieter]

Hi,

I am running a selfmade 2.4.19. The printer devive isn't available:

lsmod 
[...]
lp  5920   0  (autoclean)
parport22784   0  (autoclean) [lp]
[...]

When I am loading the selfmade 2.4.18 on the same machine
my printer works perfect:

lsmod
[...]
parport_pc 21864   1  (autoclean)
lp  5920   1  (autoclean)
parport22784   1  (autoclean) [parport_pc lp]
[...]

In both kernels par support is compiled as a module.
/lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o is
available. 

modprobe parport_pc
/lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o:
init_module: Device or resource busy
Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters,
 ^^^?
including invalid IO or IRQ parameters
^^ ?
/lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o: insmod
/lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o failed
/lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o: insmod
parport_pc failed

Any Hints?

Thanks 

Ciao

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/dev/pts (aka UNIX98 ptys) needed?

[Shaya Potter]

Will anything break if I dont have /dev/pts support compiled into my
kernel?

thanks,

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Re: Controlling the list?

[Claudio Bley]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 17:28, Dennis Wicks wrote:
> Greetings;
> 
> How do I get a list of commands for this list server?

It seems to be a rather simple list server (actually, it's driven by
SmartList which is based on procmail). Try to send a message with a body
of "help" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you'll get back a summary of
available commands.
 
> What I am looking for is how to start/stop digest mode,
> sending me a copy of my own posts, holding (stopping)
> the posts while on vacation, things like that.

It seems all of this is not possible. There are seperate lists for
digest mails (debian-user vs. debian-user-digest etc.) - you need to
unsubscribe/subscribe to one or another to change the digest mode.

If you're on vacation you just have the option to unsubscribe and
re-subscribe later, AFAIK.

Be aware, that I've not read much of the documentation of SmartList.
Probably there are some commands I'm missing, so you might want to read
the manual and consult the FAQ about it.

HTH
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Re: module parport_pc lsst sich nicht laden

[nate]

Elimar Riesebieter said:
> Hi,
>
> I am running a selfmade 2.4.19. The printer devive isn't available:

> modprobe parport_pc
> /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o:
> init_module: Device or resource busy
> Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters,
> ^^^?
> including invalid IO or IRQ parameters
> ^^ ?
> /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o: insmod
> /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o failed
> /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o: insmod
> parport_pc failed
>
> Any Hints?


I'm no expert on 2.4.x, and have been curious why this message comes
up(I see it on SuSE 8 which uses 2.4.18 ..)

at least for this SuSE 8 system here to get parport_pc to load I have
to specify the IRQ and io address. with kernel 2.2.x it doesn't seem
to care 

e.g.
modprobe parport_pc io=0x378 irq=7

the above parameters are usually the defaults for the parallel port
on most systems.. check the bios of your system to be sure if it doesn't
work ..

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Re: /dev/pts (aka UNIX98 ptys) needed?

[Tom Goulet (UID0)]

> Will anything break if I dont have /dev/pts support compiled into my
> kernel?

Probably not.

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Re: Problem with RADEON 8500 and ADI E55+ Monitor

[Matt Miller]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 11:14, Pierre Dupuis wrote:
> I have installed the release but Xwindows doesn't seem to load. I have
> tried SVGA server and Xfree server but always the same error : 'no
> screen found', by the way it seem it does not recognized my video card
> which is a Radeon 8500...
>  
> Anyone got an idea ?

If I remember correctly, you need Xfree86 4.2 for 8500 support. You can
get the packages from the following list:
http://raw.no/x4.2/

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Re: Mice can not work in a new kernel 2.4.19

[Oliver Elphick]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 15:29, Willy Sutrisno wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have installed a Debian Woody to my new system, the kernel default
is 2.2.x. Since this kernel does not support Geforce 4. I need to have
the latest kernel. So I downloaded the latest kernel from debian, it is
2.4.19. After I have configure the kernel according to my system, I
compiled it and install it. Reboot and I am in. 
> 
> After compilation, I installed the Nvidia driver, and change the
XFree86 config accordingly. Try to run 'startx', everything runs normal.
I am now running IceWM, but my mouse has no reaction. So I thought maybe
I have setup wrongly, I went back to the console and try every single
possibility for the mouse section. By the way my mouse is Logitech Wheel
Mouse Optical plug to the PS2 port. This mice can be plug to the USB
port, but to make things simpler I dont do that.
> 
> The strange thing is that, when I load kernel 2.2 ,the gpm can detect
my mouse and I can use my mouse in the console. But when I load kernel
2.4 , the gpm can not detect my mice so does X. Since I cant use kernel
2.2 to load my X, I cant tell you whether the mice will work in X
environment.
> 
> Is it because I miss something when I compile the new kernel? Which
modules should I load for this mice?

you need CONFIG_PSMOUSE=y in /usr/src/linux/.config

If you use make xconfig, it is in Character Devices, Mice.

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Re: module parport_pc unloadable

[Elimar Riesebieter]

Sorry of my german subject!

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 the mental interface of 
Elimar Riesebieter told:

> Hi,
> 
> I am running a selfmade 2.4.19. The printer devive isn't available:
> 
> lsmod 
> [...]
> lp  5920   0  (autoclean)
> parport22784   0  (autoclean) [lp]
> [...]
> 
> When I am loading the selfmade 2.4.18 on the same machine
> my printer works perfect:
> 
> lsmod
> [...]
> parport_pc 21864   1  (autoclean)
> lp  5920   1  (autoclean)
> parport22784   1  (autoclean) [parport_pc lp]
> [...]
> 
> In both kernels par support is compiled as a module.
> /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o is
> available. 
> 
> modprobe parport_pc
> /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o:
> init_module: Device or resource busy
> Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters,
>  ^^^?
> including invalid IO or IRQ parameters
> ^^ ?
> /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o: insmod
> /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o failed
> /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o: insmod
> parport_pc failed
> 
> Any Hints?
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Ciao
> 
> Elimar 
> 
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Re: Mice can not work in a new kernel 2.4.19

[nate]

Willy Sutrisno said:
> Hi,
>
> I have installed a Debian Woody to my new system, the kernel default is
> 2.2.x. Since this kernel does not support Geforce 4. I need to have the
> latest kernel. So I downloaded the latest kernel from debian, it is
> 2.4.19. After I have configure the kernel according to my system, I
> compiled it and install it. Reboot and I am in.


Maybe it is Geforce4 specific, but I imagine 2.2.x would work fine
with the Geforce4, at least it works fine with my Geforce2 and Geforce3,
Geforce4 uses the same drivers ...(the drivers on nvidia.com)

http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=linux_display_1.0-2960

Where do you see that Geforce4 is not supportd by 2.2.x ?? Of course
they may not offer precompiled 2.2.x kernel modules, but it should
be supported ..and it is quite stable..

nate




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Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[Matus \"fantomas\" Uhlar]

-> > Why on earth (to stay local) doesn't Debian move the lists to a
-> > newsserver instead  That way it's much easier to follow threads and
-> > only download the messages that is of interest. And if Debian does not
-> > connect to other newsservers, they will not get obnoxious groups as
-> > alt.sex or comp.microsoft..

-> There is a newsgroup where this mailinglist is mirrored - check the
-> archives (or someone else might mention it)

I plan to try litttle news server for (possibly) all newsgroups, just for
myself for now but maybe I'll make it public (well, i need agreement from
list admins probably).

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dhcp/windoze question

[Cameron Matheson]

Hey,

I'm setting up a linux box for my friend (dual-booting actually), but 
i'm going to have to set up the network setting and i was looking for 
some advice first (because i can't change how the networking is done on 
his entire network).

First, his IP address is 'Obtained Automatically', does this mean i want 
to use DHCP?  Or does Windows have some proprietary method of 
automatically obtaining IP addresses?

If it is DHCP, i shouldn't need to know the default gw or nameservers 
right?  That would be a big relief too me...

Thanks,
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Sources for old Distributions

[Manfred Gahr]

Hello!

Does anobody know where I can get the sources for Debian 2.1 or 2.0?

Thanks in advance
Manfred Gahr



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helo

[Stefan]

I have a problem with my lq100
I`m using windows 2000 and i have problems 
printing
the self test printes ok but when I try to print 
enything in windows it apears with a space the letters are broken with a white 
space between 
please help
Stefan
 

RE: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[deFreese, Barry]

>[snip]I reviewed Kai Olsen in the archives of this list's postings, and he
had
>not asked any questions on the list since the start of August (where my
>search started.) Not stalking him - just wondering if we had failed to
>answer a question of his. His complaint, however, was that Usenet would
>be a better medium than a mailing list for this. I would suggest that
>among the vast majority of computer users, both mailing lists and Usenet
>are something of an unknown, and the same would apply to IRC - if it
>isn't the web or usual person-to-person email, it is a "Wuzzat?" type of
>black cyber-magic.[snip]

I have to take a little exception to this one Mark.  I have posted at least
two
different questions to this list with 0 responses.  Now, they were somewhat
developer related but I did not recieve so much as "please post to debian-
developer" etc.  Of course when every module has to be compiled or the
standard
answer is "recompile the kernel" then there is a fine line between developer
and user.

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Re: dhcp/windoze question

[nate]

Cameron Matheson said:

> First, his IP address is 'Obtained Automatically', does this mean i want
> to use DHCP?  Or does Windows have some proprietary method of
> automatically obtaining IP addresses?

that means DHCP..

>
> If it is DHCP, i shouldn't need to know the default gw or nameservers
> right?  That would be a big relief too me...

yeah. if this is a normal ethernet network you should have no problems.
HOWEVER, if the DHCP server is a win32 box you may quite likely have
DNS problems, as at least NT4 seems to add a line feed character or
something at the end of the nameservers it reports, so check /etc/resolv.conf
if your on such a network, you can modify the DHCP scripts to ignore
resolv.conf and you can configure it manually if this is the case.

if this is not a normal ethernet network(e.g. this is a computer with
DSL over PPPoE or soemthing) then additional configuration may be
required.

nate




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Re: substitute for dreamweaver's template/link tracking

[Keith G. Murphy]

Matt Price wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> So I have a couple of small websites I'm trying to move over to
> linux.  Up to now I've managed them with dreamweaver, which has two
> great features:
> 
> -- templates that you can update, i.e. you can build a site around one
>set of templates, with one 'look', and then change all your
>documents at once with a simple 'update' command.

Template Toolkit (www.template-toolkit.org) with ttree.
> 
> -- bits of code called 'library items' that are portable from place to place, whose 
>links you
>don't have to update.  This is managed, I guess, with some kind of
>database of all the file names and links in the site, so that yyou
>can iunsert these snippets (usually navigation bars and the like)
>into pages, and dreamweaver will set the links to the appropriate
>file.
> 
So it keeps track of where you move all your files, and updates the 
links accordingly?  This would be difficult to do in TT, since typically 
you're just moving files around in the Linux filesystem, using cp, mv, 
etc., so TT can't keep track.  Shouldn't be too hard to write your own 
scripts to do this sort of thing, though.

TT can be a hard slog to someone used to a GUI and Dreamweaver, but it 
works like a dream once you have it set up.


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Re: Sources for old Distributions

[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 06:07:44PM +0200, Manfred Gahr wrote:
> Does anobody know where I can get the sources for Debian 2.1 or 2.0?

Yes, all old Debian releases are stored at .
For 1.1 and 1.2, only the source code is kept; for the rest, both
sources and binaries are still available.

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Re: Sources for old Distributions

[James Troup]

Manfred Gahr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Does anobody know where I can get the sources for Debian 2.1 or 2.0?

archive.debian.org

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Re: helo

[nate]

Stefan said:
> I have a problem with my lq100
> I`m using windows 2000 and i have problems printing
> the self test printes ok but when I try to print enything in windows it
> apears with a space the letters are broken with a white space between
> please help
> Stefan
>

your post doesn't appear to have anything to do with linux or
debian in particular, if it does, then re-word it to include more
information.

if it does not related to linux you should contact the support group
or company responsible for the device you are using. in this case
I would reccomend contacting whoever makes the lq100 printer, unless
it came with your computer in which case contact whoever you got
the computer from.

nate




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Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 09:03:46AM -0700, deFreese, Barry wrote:
> I have to take a little exception to this one Mark.  I have posted at
> least two different questions to this list with 0 responses.  Now,
> they were somewhat developer related but I did not recieve so much as
> "please post to debian- developer" etc.

This is unfortunate, but it's not really anything to do with the current
thread. In any support situation, unless contracts are involved, it's
inevitable that some will get missed.

I'll have a look back and see if I know anything about the questions you
asked. The second, though, was pretty hardware-specific, so if you're
unlucky and none of the volunteers reading happen to own that hardware
then there's not much that can be done.

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Re: Compile 3c90x module prolem

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 01:57:28PM -0700, deFreese, Barry wrote:
> I am trying to compile the module for my 3c905B card.  When I compile
> the object and try to run "insmod 3c90x" I get an error saying that
> the module was compiled for version 2.2.20 and the kernel is 2.2.19.
> I am using the -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.19/include directive so I
> am lost as to where it is getting 2.2.20 from??

That version comes from whatever  is while compiling
the module. What does /usr/include/linux/version.h look like? I'm
wondering if that was accidentally used instead of the one in the kernel
source tree.

You'll need to run 'make dep' in the kernel source tree in order for
include/linux/version.h to be created there. A clean tree won't do.

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Re: module parport_pc lsst sich nicht laden

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 the mental interface of 
nate told:

> Elimar Riesebieter said:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am running a selfmade 2.4.19. The printer devive isn't available:
> 
> > modprobe parport_pc
> > /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o:
> > init_module: Device or resource busy
> > Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters,
> > ^^^?
> > including invalid IO or IRQ parameters
> > ^^ ?
> > /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o: insmod
> > /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o failed
> > /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o: insmod
> > parport_pc failed
> >
> > Any Hints?
> 
> 
> I'm no expert on 2.4.x, and have been curious why this message comes
> up(I see it on SuSE 8 which uses 2.4.18 ..)
Isn't SuSE`s 2.4.18 a 2.4.19-xxx?
> 
> at least for this SuSE 8 system here to get parport_pc to load I have
> to specify the IRQ and io address. with kernel 2.2.x it doesn't seem
> to care 
> 
> e.g.
> modprobe parport_pc io=0x378 irq=7
> 
> the above parameters are usually the defaults for the parallel port
> on most systems.. check the bios of your system to be sure if it doesn't
> work ..
I checked my bios. modprobe parport_pc io=0x378 irq=7 didn't work :(

Ciao

Elimar

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Re: converting root fs to ext3, get rid of .journal

[Jeff]

Andre Berger, 2002-Sep-09 20:02 -0400:
> * Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2002-09-09 15:31 -0400:
> > Heya folks,
> > 
> > I converted my filesystems to ext3 and now I want to get rid of the
> > .journal file on the root fs.  There's no .journal on the other fs
> > since I converted it unmounted.
> > 
> > I'm thinking I could boot to my installation CD, execute a shell and
> > run the tune2fs -j on the device while unmounted, but I don't know if
> > tune2fs is available that way, or if there are other issues.
> > 
> > I've done some googling but haven't found anything other that a
> > suggest to re-install the root fs from scratch using ext3.
> > 
> > Does anyone have suggestions as to whether this will work, or other
> > options to accomplish this task?
> > 
> > thanks,
> > jc
> 
> My /.journal disappeared when I booted the paud boot disk (featuring
> gparted), and ran "e2fsck -y -f" on my unmounted ext3 partition
> 
> -Andre

Thanks to all who replied.  I've got a few options to try.  I'm in no
hurry since it works fine as is.

jc


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Re: Motherboards

[Jeff]

Jeff Whitman, 2002-Sep-09 18:54 -0400:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm looking for information on P4 motherboards and chipsets for Woody?
> 
> Please share any success or failure information.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeff

Hey Jeff,

I've only have one P4 MB and it has the VIA chipset.  I'm having
trouble with the agpgart and the sound (via8233a) with woody and
2.4.19 kernel and ALSA, so I'd suggest avoiding it...Soyo P4VDA.

jc

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RE: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[deFreese, Barry]

I wasn't necessarily complaining, just rebutting his remark.

The main one I am concerned about at the moment was to see if anyone has set
up an 8 port digiboard before.

Thanks,

Barry deFreese
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From: Colin Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)


On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 09:03:46AM -0700, deFreese, Barry wrote:
> I have to take a little exception to this one Mark.  I have posted at
> least two different questions to this list with 0 responses.  Now,
> they were somewhat developer related but I did not recieve so much as
> "please post to debian- developer" etc.

This is unfortunate, but it's not really anything to do with the current
thread. In any support situation, unless contracts are involved, it's
inevitable that some will get missed.

I'll have a look back and see if I know anything about the questions you
asked. The second, though, was pretty hardware-specific, so if you're
unlucky and none of the volunteers reading happen to own that hardware
then there's not much that can be done.

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RE: Compile 3c90x module prolem

[deFreese, Barry]

Colin,

Thanks for the response.  Actually I ended up using the 3c59x module and it
seems to be working fine.  I actually got that one to compile by modifying
version.h with the correct release but couldn't get the module to work
properly (Still struggling trying to understand the modules thing, which I
think is part of my Digiboard problem).  Yes I am a newbie and not too proud
to admit it!!

Thanks for the reponse!!

Barry deFreese
NTS Technology Services Manager
Nike Team Sports
(949)-616-4005
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From: Colin Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:28 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: Compile 3c90x module prolem


On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 01:57:28PM -0700, deFreese, Barry wrote:
> I am trying to compile the module for my 3c905B card.  When I compile
> the object and try to run "insmod 3c90x" I get an error saying that
> the module was compiled for version 2.2.20 and the kernel is 2.2.19.
> I am using the -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.19/include directive so I
> am lost as to where it is getting 2.2.20 from??

That version comes from whatever  is while compiling
the module. What does /usr/include/linux/version.h look like? I'm
wondering if that was accidentally used instead of the one in the kernel
source tree.

You'll need to run 'make dep' in the kernel source tree in order for
include/linux/version.h to be created there. A clean tree won't do.

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Re: Aptitude and apt-get

[Jeff]

Mike Kuhar, 2002-Sep-10 04:03 -0400:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I've got a strange one.  As root, in aptitude, I'll do an update
> successfully.  Then I do an upgrade, the files download, the progress bar
> will not show total progress, just progress per file, then reset to 0% for
> the next file.  When the files complete downloading, I hit a carrige return
> to go to the installation phase, I get an error telling me that aptitude
> couldn't lock the cache, and will open it read only, and the upgrade stops.
> 
> Using apt-get, I update successfully, I do upgrade, the files start
> downloading, again, instead of getting a total progress percentage at the
> begining of each line, I just get some bogus number.  When downloading is
> complete, I get an error message telling me that every file I just watched
> download is missing, and maybe I should try again with --fix-missing.
> 
> If I do something like 'apt-get --reinstall install apt', this works.  If I
> use apt-get to install a new package, it installs the new package
> successfully along with any dependancies.
> 
> I'm running unstable with the 2.4.19 kernel on three machines, and this
> strange behavior only affects one machine.  Anyone one got any ideas as to
> the problem?

After you reinstall apt, do you get this problem again at all?  It
seems like you had dpkg, dselect, apt or aptitude running somewhere
else whily tried to do the update.  By reinstalling, that would stop
any other apt processess to reinstall, which would remove the lock.

just a thought...jc

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Re: install woody from netiso

[Florian Scandella]

hmm .. i'm not sure if it has something to do with the scsi host  i
tried "scsihost=sym53c8xx" and "sym53c8xx=save:y" but it doesnt work..
scsi_logging=1 shows nothing ...
the initialization of the ne2k-pci is the last message i see ...

flo

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: install woody from netiso


>
> thanks for the answers 
>
> is there a way to disable autoprobing of the scsi card on the lilo boot
> prompt ? I tried ncr53c8xx=save:y which was listed on the help screen of
the
> bf2.4 boot image but that didn't help.
>
> flo
>
> > On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:51:23 +0200 "Florian Scandella"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I tried to install debian woody from an netinst iso.
> > > First i used the bf2.4 boot image which hangs somewhere after the init
> > > of the kernel (after detection of network card) . The only image that
> > > worked for me was the idepci image ( except that it doesn't detect my
> > > scsi controller an my usb mouse ).
> >
> > The scsi controller was probably the cause of the lock with the other
> > kernel.  Many of the boot kernels have various scsi drivers built into
> > them, this can lead to a lock up if the wrong driver attempts to
activate.
> >
> > > After upgradeign to 2.2.20 kenel the
> > > system won't boot anymore (stops at md driver) . The 2.4.18 kernel
> > > starts, but it doesnt detect the network controller and throws some
> > > random error messages about interrupt 7 ..
> >
> > These messages probably look something like this:
> >
> >spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7.
> >
> > If so, you can ignore them.
> >
> > So, you've got everything working now (with a 2.4.18 kernel) except the
> > NIC?
> >
> > > NETWORK: Controller with Realtek RTL8029 chip
> >
> > The above card uses ne2k-pci module.
> >
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Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[Morten Bo Johansen]

Shri Shrikumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


SS> There is a newsgroup where this mailinglist is mirrored - check the
SS> archives (or someone else might mention it)

news.gmane.org is a bi-directional news interface to tons of mailing
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Re: install woody from netiso

[Florian Scandella]

could it be a problem with shared interrupts ?
my bios sets the following irqs:
sound : 12
usb: 11,12
network: 12
scsi: 12
ide 14,15
vga 5

flo


- Original Message -
From: "Florian Scandella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: install woody from netiso


>
> hmm .. i'm not sure if it has something to do with the scsi host  i
> tried "scsihost=sym53c8xx" and "sym53c8xx=save:y" but it doesnt work..
> scsi_logging=1 shows nothing ...
> the initialization of the ne2k-pci is the last message i see ...
>
> flo
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Florian Scandella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:23 PM
> Subject: Re: install woody from netiso
>
>
> >
> > thanks for the answers 
> >
> > is there a way to disable autoprobing of the scsi card on the lilo boot
> > prompt ? I tried ncr53c8xx=save:y which was listed on the help screen of
> the
> > bf2.4 boot image but that didn't help.
> >
> > flo
> >
> > > On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:51:23 +0200 "Florian Scandella"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I tried to install debian woody from an netinst iso.
> > > > First i used the bf2.4 boot image which hangs somewhere after the
init
> > > > of the kernel (after detection of network card) . The only image
that
> > > > worked for me was the idepci image ( except that it doesn't detect
my
> > > > scsi controller an my usb mouse ).
> > >
> > > The scsi controller was probably the cause of the lock with the other
> > > kernel.  Many of the boot kernels have various scsi drivers built into
> > > them, this can lead to a lock up if the wrong driver attempts to
> activate.
> > >
> > > > After upgradeign to 2.2.20 kenel the
> > > > system won't boot anymore (stops at md driver) . The 2.4.18 kernel
> > > > starts, but it doesnt detect the network controller and throws some
> > > > random error messages about interrupt 7 ..
> > >
> > > These messages probably look something like this:
> > >
> > >spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7.
> > >
> > > If so, you can ignore them.
> > >
> > > So, you've got everything working now (with a 2.4.18 kernel) except
the
> > > NIC?
> > >
> > > > NETWORK: Controller with Realtek RTL8029 chip
> > >
> > > The above card uses ne2k-pci module.
> > >
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Re: Problem with RADEON 8500 and ADI E55+ Monitor

[Nicos Gollan]

On Tuesday 10 September 2002 17:50, Matt Miller wrote:
> If I remember correctly, you need Xfree86 4.2 for 8500 support. You
> can get the packages from the following list:
> http://raw.no/x4.2/

You should also have a look at http://dri.sourceforge.net for 8500 
drivers. The daily radeon package tends to work very well.

However, if problems persist, you could post /var/log/Xfree.0.log. It 
should be possible to run at least VESA modes on that card.

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Gnome2

[Francois Chenais]

Hello, 

Where can I find Debian gnome2 packages for sarge ?
Thanks a lot.

François



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RE: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[Mark L. Kahnt]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:37, deFreese, Barry wrote:
> I wasn't necessarily complaining, just rebutting his remark.
> 
> The main one I am concerned about at the moment was to see if anyone has set
> up an 8 port digiboard before.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Barry deFreese
> NTS Technology Services Manager
> Nike Team Sports
> (949)-616-4005
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> "Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster."
> Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell
> 

I haven't set up a digiboard, but I remember reading up on how to do it
a couple years back - I think it was in the documentation for the module
in the 2.2.x kernel.

The absence of response wasn't the point of my paragraph there - I know
that various questions don't get answered. Probably a third or more of
my questions don't get answered, because I'm looking for information on
matters that others don't have experience with, or don't necessarily
care about. I don't worry about this as I know that this is a peer
support environment - it isn't mandated with the duty of solving all
problems that arise on any aspect of Debian software, but is a useful
resource if it can help. It can't help if people don't ask, or nobody
else has had experience with the problem. Kai Olsen hadn't asked.

A side note, Debian, at most, only can be implied to have any hint of
moral responsibility for supporting Debian specific matters -
adjustments that they make to packages, apt, dpkg, debiandoc, make-kpkg
and other items they have developed from scratch as part of Debian, and
installation and management problems with .debs, and their relative
currency. Any other support that arises is gravy. This place has plenty
of free gravy :)
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Colin Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:21 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 09:03:46AM -0700, deFreese, Barry wrote:
> > I have to take a little exception to this one Mark.  I have posted at
> > least two different questions to this list with 0 responses.  Now,
> > they were somewhat developer related but I did not recieve so much as
> > "please post to debian- developer" etc.
> 
> This is unfortunate, but it's not really anything to do with the current
> thread. In any support situation, unless contracts are involved, it's
> inevitable that some will get missed.
> 
> I'll have a look back and see if I know anything about the questions you
> asked. The second, though, was pretty hardware-specific, so if you're
> unlucky and none of the volunteers reading happen to own that hardware
> then there's not much that can be done.
> 
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Re: How to make kernel-modules-.deb?

[Eric Richardson]

Claudio Bley wrote:

> On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 19:15, Eric Richardson wrote:
> 
>>Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>
>"Eric" == Eric Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
>>> Eric> I've been able to to use make-kpkg kernel-image to create a custom
>>> Eric> kernel .deb file from a kernel source package. All the modules are
>>> Eric> compiled and I tried make-kpkg modules-image but no deb file gets
>>> Eric> created. How do I create the modules deb file?
>>>
>>> What moduls.deb file? Do you have stand alone modules packages
>>> installed? Which modules packages are these? The modules you
>>> designated that come with the kernel are part of the kernel imagfe
>>> deb itself.
>>>
>>Hi Manoj,
>>
>>I guess I'm totally confused. When I upgraded to 2.4.18, I had to 
>>install the kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18 so I guess I'm thinking of this.
>>
>>So let me see if I got this correct. Installing the kernel-image I 
>>created will install the modules compiled in /lib/modules/. 
>>This of course are not the modules I chose to compile into the kernel.
>>
>>Also, not sure why I get what seems to be an error when I do a make-kpkg
>>
>>modules_image. See end of message. What is that command suppose to do? 
>>
>>How do I include the pcmcia modules or is this a seperate think I need 
>>to make a deb for?
>>
> 
> Install the pcmcia-source package. Then, go to /usr/src and 'tar xvzf 
> pcmcia-cs.tar.gz'. Go into your kernel source directory and run
> 'make-kpkg -rev k6.1 modules_image'.
> 
> Btw, this is not an error you've seen before, there's just nothing to do
> because you haven't unpacked any sources into the /usr/src/modules
> directory.


I see now that I really didn't need the pcmcia modules as the new kernel 
uses yenta and normal net drivers which are included with the kernel 
source. Since I installed 2.4.18 version of the pcmcia utilites I really 
didn't need to compile the pcmcia package for the 2.4.7 timesys kernel. 
I did need to configure CONFIG_FILTER to get dhclient to work and make 
sure CONFIG_PCMCIA and CONFIG_CARDBUS where selected. Running 
dhclient-2.2.x eth0 gave me the clue as it said to make sure that 
CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER are included in the kernel. dhclient 
normally calls dhclient-2.2.x with a -q option which suppresses the 
output. Now pcmcia networking works!!

Just learning so I appreciate all the help.

Eric




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Re: Gnome2

[Amir Tal]

On Tuesday 10 September 2002 20:25, Francois Chenais wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Where can I find Debian gnome2 packages for sarge ?
> Thanks a lot.
>
>   François

try : 
deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main
deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main

tal.


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Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[Hubert Chan]

> "David" == David Pastern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

David> Ok for those that have replied to my post -

David> 1.  I'm relatively new to linux in general and totally new to
David> Debian

I hope that we'll be able to convince you that this list is, on the
whole, more helpful and more polite than what you may have seen in other
Linux forums.  Just remember that there we will always have jerks on
this list, and that we are all volunteers, and our time and abilities
are limited, so the amount of help that we can give out will be limited.

[...]

David> 9.  The sheer scope of inbound emails is enormous.  It's hard to
David> keep up with them all, and I think that's what the gentleman
David> mentioned in point 2.  was feeling.

Had he stayed around for an answer, he probably would have gotten a
proper one.  In any event, if anyone doesn't want to receive so many
emails a day, you can subscribe to the digest version of the list
(although I doubt it would be much better, since you just replace a lot
of smaller messages, with one huge message), or visit gmane.org, which
is a bi-directional mail:news gateway for many mailing lists.  It also
allows you to request lists to be added, if they are not already
provided, and provides an archive of old messages (only going back to
when the list was originally added, of course).

I personally use it for all the mailing lists that are more than a few
(for some value of "few") messages per day.

David> 10.  Remember that english is not everyones main tongue.  Writing
David> skills are always weaker for a person from a NESB (non english
David> speaking background).

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RE: Aptitude and apt-get

[Mike Kuhar]

Thanks for the reply, Jeff.

After reinstalling apt, aptitude and dpkg, I still had the same problem.

-mk

> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:55 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Aptitude and apt-get
> 
> 
> Mike Kuhar, 2002-Sep-10 04:03 -0400:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I've got a strange one.  As root, in aptitude, I'll do an update
> > successfully.  Then I do an upgrade, the files download, 
> > the progress bar will not show total progress, just progress per 
> > file, then  reset to 0% for the next file.  When the files 
> > complete downloading, I hit  a carrige return to go to the 
> > installation phase, I get an error telling me  that aptitude
> > couldn't lock the cache, and will open it read only, and 
> > the upgrade stops.
> > 
> > Using apt-get, I update successfully, I do upgrade, the files start
> > downloading, again, instead of getting a total progress  percentage
> > at the begining of each line, I just get some bogus number.  When 
> > downloading is complete, I get an error message telling me that 
> > every file I just watched download is missing, and maybe I should
> > try again with  --fix-missing.
> > 
> > If I do something like 'apt-get --reinstall install apt',  this
> > works.  If I use apt-get to install a new package, it installs 
> > the new package successfully along with any dependancies.
> > 
> > I'm running unstable with the 2.4.19 kernel on three machines, 
> > and this strange behavior only affects one machine.  Anyone one got 
> > any ideas as to the problem?
> 
> After you reinstall apt, do you get this problem again at all?  It
> seems like you had dpkg, dselect, apt or aptitude running somewhere
> else whily tried to do the update.  By reinstalling, that would stop
> any other apt processess to reinstall, which would remove the lock.
> 
> just a thought...jc
> 
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