Doing on Windows what dmesg does on Linux

[shyamk]

Dear members, 
  On Linux systems you can do a dmesg to
get what the system is chattering at the boot up.
What corresponding thing can I get done on 
Windows (98 or 2K/NT).

Warm Regards,
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Shyam

user profile script confusion

[Kurt Lieber]

I'm fairly new to linux in general and am confused about all the different 
login scripts.

I would like to have a single ssh command started when I login, be it to the 
console or to KDE.  If I put the command in .bash_profile, KDE doesn't 
execute it.  If I put it in .xinitrc, then bash won't execute it.  Then 
there's .xsession and .kderc which only add to my confusion.

So, two questions:

1. If I want a command executed whenever (and however) I log in, is there one 
userland file I can put this in? 

2.  Can anyone recommend a site that discusses all the different userland 
login/profile scripts and when to use one over the other to achieve whatever 
result you're trying for?

Thanks.

--kurt

Re: 2.4 -ac kernels with Adrian Bunk's potato packages?

[Russell Coker]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 02:10, Fred Gray wrote:
> For various reasons, I would like to set up a 2.4.13-ac4 (Alan Cox's tree)
> kernel-image package with the same highly modular structure as Adrian's
>
> However, when I try to boot this new kernel, the boot fails with the
> following messages:
>
> [...]
> RAMDISK: cramfs filesystem found at block 0
> RAMDISK: Loading 3332 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... done.
> Freeing initrd memory: 3332k freed
> cramfs: wrong magic
> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 01:00
>
> Can someone offer a suggestion on what might have gone wrong?  (Please cc
> me on replies, since I'm not subscribed to this list.)

Cramfs has been broken in the main kernel trees for ages and it's only the 
Debian patch in the kernel-source package that allows it to work.  Use romfs 
and you'll get a smaller initrd (compress the entire image with gzip -9 
instead of compressing each file separately), and it'll work with less 
problems.

Use the "genromfs" package to create the romfs.  The old version of 
initrd-tools needed /usr/sbin/mkinitrd to be hacked to get romfs to work, but 
I think that this has been fixed.

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Launching URL from Gnome-terminal

[Erik van der Meulen]

Dear all - I use mutt in a gnome-terminal. If I move my mouse pointer
over an URL, it gets automatically underlined. I would like to be able
to launche Mozilla with that link. Now I am copying and pasting...

Any suggestions?

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Re: Launching URL from Gnome-terminal

[David Rose]

Erik van der Meulen in message Launching URL from Gnome-terminal (Wed, 10/31 
07:53):

> Dear all - I use mutt in a gnome-terminal. If I move my mouse pointer
> over an URL, it gets automatically underlined. I would like to be able
> to launche Mozilla with that link. Now I am copying and pasting...
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
Hold down the  key and click the underlined link.

That said... how does one change the default browser for gnome-terminal links
to something other than Mozilla (as it is on my boxen)?

-David Rose

Re: Doing on Windows what dmesg does on Linux

[Dmitriy]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 11:17:35AM +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Dear members, 
>   On Linux systems you can do a dmesg to
> get what the system is chattering at the boot up.
> What corresponding thing can I get done on 
> Windows (98 or 2K/NT).
Install UNIX on it.

This list is about Debian, and not about windows or anything.

Please ask on Windows mailing list.


> 
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> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Shyam
> 
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Re: Patches applied to stock kernel to make deb kernel image

[Adam Warner]

On Wed, 2001-10-31 at 05:12, Timothy Webster wrote:
> What is procedure is used to make an "official" 2.4 deb kernel image?
> Such as are avialable in unstable.
> What additional patches are required, if any.

I'm not an expert on this but I understand that Debian stays as close to
the offical Linus kernel as possible. So if you want to compile your own
kernel you should be fine just using a Linus one from kernel.org (or
mirrors). In my experience you will only need to patch it if you have
non-standard hardware requirements (e.g. for one of my computers I
require the Parallel Port SCSI patch).

I just tar -jxvf the source to /usr/src/

cd linux

make menuconfig (and select the options I want)

run this script and I'm done:

make dep
make bzImage
make modules
make modules_install
make install

"make install" replaces vmlinuz and System.map (and renames vmlinuz to
vmlinuz.old and System.map to System.map.old). Plus it will run lilo for
you so you will all set for a reboot.

This isn't the standard Debian way of installing a kernel. However I
have non-standard requirements like ReiserFS compiled into the kernel
image which means I have to compile my own kernels.

> Thanks, maybe with this information I can get my much simpiler custom
> kernel image to find root and boot.

You may have to edit lilo.conf just once so make install will work
automatically in future (i.e. make sure you default boot image is
vmlinuz):

default=Linux

image=/boot/vmlinuz
label=Linux
read-only
#   restricted
#   alias=1

image=/boot/vmlinuz.old
label=LinuxOLD
read-only
optional
#   restricted
#   alias=2

I've just read some of the earlier comments at the bottom of your query.
I didn't realise I was missing anything! I haven't been adversely
affected by using the official Linus kernels (and I've gone through a
large number of them)--frankly I would rather have the freedom to be
able to do so (but I'll watch out for any nuggets of enlightenment).

Regards,
Adam

Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake

[Erik Steffl]

"Jeffrey W. Baker" wrote:
...
> ALSA is another package that is screwed up in unstable but you can blame
> ALSA developers for that, not Debian.

  also note that alsa itself is officially unstable, so it's expected to
be broken from time to time (the alsa itself, not only debian alsa
package). the API is still undergoing changes (even though that part
should be almost over now that they are at 0.9)

...
> GNOME without an X server (for which you need xserver-xfree86 package) and

  I think that's the package you have to explicitly install after
updating from X 3.x to X 4.x (not sure if that's still the case, but I
had to do it when I did the upgrade)

erik

Re: Launching URL from Gnome-terminal

[Erik van der Meulen]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 00:04:17 -0600, David Rose wrote:

> Erik van der Meulen in message Launching URL from Gnome-terminal (Wed, 10/31 
> 07:53):
> 
> > Dear all - I use mutt in a gnome-terminal. If I move my mouse pointer
> > over an URL, it gets automatically underlined. I would like to be able
> > to launche Mozilla with that link. Now I am copying and pasting...
> > 
> > Any suggestions?
> > 
> Hold down the  key and click the underlined link.

Thanks! That does not seem to do it for me, however it did make me
discover that if I right-click on such a line, I get a menu with an
option to launch the URL. So I am happy!

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Re: user profile script confusion

[Hans Ekbrand]

On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 10:33:51PM -0800, Kurt Lieber wrote:
> 
> 1. If I want a command executed whenever (and however) I log in, is there 
> one> userland file I can put this in? 
> 
> 2.  Can anyone recommend a site that discusses all the different userland 
> login/profile scripts and when to use one over the other to achieve whatever 
> result you're trying for?
> 

There is a discussion on .bashrc and .bash_profile in 
Bash-Prompt-HOWTO-2.html#ss2.6. Hope that helps.

/Hans Ekbrand


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Re: IMAP...

[Erik Steffl]

"Jaldhar H. Vyas" wrote:
...
> > If you want to encrypt your mail password, you can tunnel POP3 and/or IMAP
> > over SSH and obtain end-to-end encryption that way.
> >
> 
> Happily the need to do that is a thing of the past.  The UW and Courier
> imapds also support imaps (IMAP over SSL) natively.  Because of US crypto
> policy this support is available in seperate packages -- uw-imapd-ssl and
> courier-imap-ssl respectively.  Also if you are using pine with either of
> the UW packages, it can be configured to set up imap over ssh (or rsh but
> you don't want that) automatically.

  that's not the case with cyrus, right? at least I see no cyrus*-ssl
packages. I still need to tunnel it via stunnel or something like
that...

erik

Re: Newbie comments & queries

[Ian Balchin]

Karsten et al.


> We were all in withdrawal on Friday's downtime
> 
> > I use a dialup, am waiting for a s/h modem that is coming my way,
> > 28.8 whatever it was that compaq bought out and shut down. 
> 
> Hmm...28.8 is *really* slow.  You should be able to find 56.6
> either new or used, I'd strongly recommend it.

I live in the 3rd or maybe 4th world.  My ISP doesn't even have a 
56.6 modem rack to connect to and the phone lines can barely make 
it to 33.3. the 28.8 Microcom will do fine for email (used to have 
a 9600)

I've kept the Trident video card which lscpi shows nicely

Will stay in console mode until I find an old computer at an 
auction with some memory inside.  Plenty to learn.  I thought that 
one could have the mouse in midnite commander like in the old dos 
pctools, but probably not.

Will have go at the printing problem this w.e. dman made some 
suggestions to follow. Really need some hardcopy READMEs.

thanks a lot
Ian

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Re: allowing root X apps

[Osamu Aoki]

On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:24:32PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 07:24:21PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> > If root has to run the GUI file a bug against it.

Yep!

> Well, cdroast itself has to run as root or with root privs... just giving
> the user access to the device isn't enough as cdroast complains about
> system calls it can't use.

I never bothered to use this app but I understand this is nice GUI
wrapper for cdrecord as I see it.  cdrecord needs to be root unless you
know something more than I bothered to learn.

All cdroast has to be started by equivalent of 

  $ su -c "cdrecord ..."

from user prevs.

SOURCE code seems to call without "su" or "sudo".  YEP it is a bug.

I like this to be patched to use sudo.  Maybe spawn xterm or xconsole?
to enable password prompt. :-)

> OTOH, xcdroast will STOP you if you try to run it as root (it has a wrapper
> to get around it).



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Re: qmail -- supervise: fatal: unable to obtain lock

[Gerrit Pape]

Ben Hartshorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>   I am experiencing a problem mentioned many many times on various
> mailing lists (a google search turned up several), but I have not been
> able to find a resolution anywhere.

> I followed the instructions in the qmail HOWTO v2 (posted many places,
> one of which is http://www.flounder.net/qmail/qmail-howto.html).

Better use the most commonly used public documentation
http://www.lifewithqmail.org .

> When I start my computer (or manually start svscan or qmail) I get the
> error message:
> supervise: fatal: unable to acquire log/supervise/lock: temporary failure=
[...]
This looks like You have multiple instances of svscan run, You must have
done something wrong.

> I installed using the .deb packages for qmail, uscpi-tcp, dot-forward,
> etc. from
> ftp://ftp.innominate.org/pub/pape/Debian/potato/unofficial/binary-i386/
> and then configured them as instructed in the howto linked above.

This apt-source also includes a qmail-run package that sets up qmail as
default MTA on Debian GNU/Linux, just do
# apt-get install qmail-run
(undo the changes proposed by the howto first and read lwq)
On woody this package follows Life with qmail almost completely, see
http://innominate.org/~pape/Debian/qmail/qmail-run.html .

Regards, Gerrit.

Re: Power off at Shutdown

[Osamu Aoki]

On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 04:44:07PM -0800, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote:
> Some machines are simply unable to power off from Linux's APM support.
> Most SMP machines cannot, for example.

It ain't easy but this is mis-understanding.

For modular kernel with APM, you need "insmod apm power_off=1" or 
"apm power_off=1" in /etc/modules.

If you compile-in APM, then lilo's append for boot parameter should have
"apm=on apm=power-off"

(I may be wrong with _- but both may work.  Kernel 2.4.9 had buggy (at
least for me) apm.  2.4.12 works fine, I think.

> Fiddle with your BIOS settings to make it work.

BIOS, make sure not let BIOS kick in APM for SMP machine.  It kills 
you :-)

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Re: Power off at Shutdown

[Osamu Aoki]

On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 08:40:31PM -0500, dman wrote:
> for this laptop, and no "apm=on" in the kernel commandline.
Yep.  If you enable SMP on kernel, you also need "apm=power-off".

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Re: Patches applied to stock kernel to make deb kernel image

[Osamu Aoki]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 12:12:45AM -0500, Timothy Webster wrote:
> What is procedure is used to make an "official" 2.4 deb kernel image?
> Such as are avialable in unstable.
> What additional patches are required, if any.
Use source from kernel-source package which always solves issues related
to Linus kernel for initrd, I understand.  It patches obvious bugs only.
(I am no expert, I read this on list)
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Re: IMAP...

[Tarjei Huse]

>   that's not the case with cyrus, right? at least I see no cyrus*-ssl
> packages. I still need to tunnel it via stunnel or something like
> that...
Cyrus, hmm. download the .debss, edit the rules to include --with-ssl=/usr and
rebuild the deb. I think that is the way to go. 

IMHO Cyrus is the best IMAP server, once you got it running. 

Tarjei

Re: Newbie comments & queries

[Karsten M. Self]

on Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 10:22:01AM +0200, Ian Balchin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Karsten et al.
> 
> 
> > We were all in withdrawal on Friday's downtime
> > 
> > > I use a dialup, am waiting for a s/h modem that is coming my way,
> > > 28.8 whatever it was that compaq bought out and shut down. 
> > 
> > Hmm...28.8 is *really* slow.  You should be able to find 56.6
> > either new or used, I'd strongly recommend it.
> 
> I live in the 3rd or maybe 4th world.  My ISP doesn't even have a 
> 56.6 modem rack to connect to and the phone lines can barely make 
> it to 33.3. the 28.8 Microcom will do fine for email (used to have 
> a 9600)

OK, reality check.  I'm used to my friends looking down their noses at
my 56k dialup

> I've kept the Trident video card which lscpi shows nicely
> 
> Will stay in console mode until I find an old computer at an auction
> with some memory inside.  Plenty to learn.  I thought that one could
> have the mouse in midnite commander like in the old dos pctools, but
> probably not.

So long as you're doing console-mode work, you might as well pick up
some tricks that makes it a lot more feasible:

  - Emacs (or xemacs).  Before there were graphical interfaces, emacs
had windows, sessions, and a shell with the full strength of the
world's most powerful editor.  If you're doing console based
computing, it's a very, very powerful tool.

  - Screen.  If you can't wrap your head around emacs (and it does take
some getting used to), the 'screen' program will give you ten
terminals for each of your terminal consoles (that's 60 terminals
counting screen + 6 virtual consoles -- few windowing environments
can support as much, readily).  I use screen frequently, even in a
windowing environment.

  - SVGATextMode.  If 24x80 isn't enough display for you, SVGATextMode
should be ablet to get 40, 43, 50, or even 60 lines of text.  If
you're lucky (and I doubt it), you may be able to get screen widths
of up to 132 characters.  SVGATextMode is an additional package
you'll want to install.

  - vga modes.  Built into the Linux kernel is support for additional
video modes.  Add the line:

vga=ask

...to the general area of your /etc/lilo.conf, rerun 'lilo', and
reboot.  You'll be prompted for the display resolution, with a list
of possible displays listed.  Try several until you find one that
works for you.

  - Someone also posted here in the past couple of weeks with a link to
a consloe-based windowing system that works under GNU/Linux.  It's
not packaged for Debian, but you may (should?) be able to get it
running on your system.

> Will have go at the printing problem this w.e. dman made some 
> suggestions to follow. Really need some hardcopy READMEs.

I find I prefer the online copies these days.  There are a few books
which have compiled them, otherwise, you may be able to print some out.
The 'mpage' and 'psnup' utilities are your friend -- multiple pages per
physical sheet.

> thanks a lot

Not at all.

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Re: Two-button mice and pasting in X

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 05:53:46PM -0500, Mark Carroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> 
> > on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:28:17AM -0500, Mark Carroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> > wrote:
> > > I want to be able to paste in X from its clipboard with my two-button
> > > mouse. However, I want to be able to do so just by clicking the right
> > > button, instead of both, leaving the buttons' functions unchanged for
> > > anything other than X's pasting. How do I do this?
> >
> > You can remap your mouse buttons.  However, this generally breaks other
> > useful behavior.  IIRC, the copy (l) and paste (middle) bindings are
> > defined at low levels in X.
> 
> Thanks for confirming this! I feared that this was the case, given the
> lack of information I was finding on specifically reconfiguring them -
> thanks for saving me wasting any more time looking them up.

Don't absolutely take my word for it, but this is my understanding.  I
poked through the manpages briefly.  Not sure I've ever seen this
modified (and it would be very disorienting if it was).

> > I find that tapping the centerpoint on a two-button mouse generally
> > chords properly.
> >
> > Or...get a three-button mouse ;-)
> 
> Unfortunately, I'm using slightly dodgy buttons that are embedded into
> a laptop computer! (-: I can live with emulate3buttons, though - it's
> not all that hard to work like that, really.

Right.  My experiencde has been that it's usually possible to get the
timing right and/or rock fingers from one button to another.  Usually
you want to hit the left mouse button a fraction of a second earlier
than the right.  I usually get the rhythem right quickly on a new
system.

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Re: Patches applied to stock kernel to make deb kernel image

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
Adam Warner wrote on Wed Oct 31, 2001 um 07:28:19AM:

> I'm not an expert on this but I understand that Debian stays as close to
> the offical Linus kernel as possible. So if you want to compile your own
> kernel you should be fine just using a Linus one from kernel.org (or

No. mkcramfs on initrd is broken in Linus's tree, so please don't build
initrd-aware kernel-image packages without using the debianised source
package.

> mirrors). In my experience you will only need to patch it if you have
> non-standard hardware requirements (e.g. for one of my computers I
> require the Parallel Port SCSI patch).

BTW, ppscsi patch is available in the patch-package in Sid. And in
kernel-image-2.4.13-586-ext3 image.

> make menuconfig (and select the options I want)

Yes, which _you_ want. If someone uses the config file from the Debian
packages (with initrd), you will see the breakage when you try to boot
with it.

> make dep
> make bzImage
> make modules
> make modules_install
> make install

We have "make-kpkg" for such tasks. Makes your life easier.

> This isn't the standard Debian way of installing a kernel. However I
> have non-standard requirements like ReiserFS compiled into the kernel
> image which means I have to compile my own kernels.

E, this is not the reason for not using make-kpkg.

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Re: Launching URL from Gnome-terminal

[Karsten M. Self]

on Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 12:04:17AM -0600, David Rose ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Erik van der Meulen in message Launching URL from Gnome-terminal (Wed, 10/31 
> 07:53):
> 
> > Dear all - I use mutt in a gnome-terminal. If I move my mouse pointer
> > over an URL, it gets automatically underlined. I would like to be able
> > to launche Mozilla with that link. Now I am copying and pasting...
> > 
> > Any suggestions?
> > 
> Hold down the  key and click the underlined link.
> 
> That said... how does one change the default browser for gnome-terminal links
> to something other than Mozilla (as it is on my boxen)?

I would assume this is one of the gnome-handlers, though I don't use
GNOME.  Try mucking with ~/.gnome/Gnome under [URL Handlers].

...and if I'm wrong, let me know ;-)

Peace.

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Re: Get vesafb to work

[Jan Ulrich Hasecke]

Hi!

dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> What about bootloader config?  Add "vga=0x31A" to your kernel command
> line.

Thanks for that hint. After reading the Kernel-Documentation about
vesafb I finally inserted vga=0x314 for better reading.

Ciao!
juh

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Re: just deleted 11 144 files!

[martin f krafft]

* ae roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.10.30 13:47:52-0500]:
> is there anyway that I can extract the filenames of these?

do you have aide or tripwire?

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Which console configuration tools do exist?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello,

I'm a Debian newbie, and I got a question :)

Which console configuration tools do exist, for configuring and
installing hardware? Until now I found modconf and kbdconf - are there
any others, e.g. for setting NIC settings etc.? I know how to
configure them manually, but a frontend is always nice :)

Thanks,
Florian

gpm with two mice - how?

[Stefan Bellon]

I know of the -M switch, but /etc/gpm.conf and /etc/init.d/gpm don't
support it. What's the "official" Debian way of doing it?

TIA.

Greetings,

Stefan.

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installing on local hard drive, without boot floppies ?

[Hugo van der Merwe]

Hello,

I want to install on a local drive, without rebooting with boot floppies
(I want to keep the system running, while installing to a new drive). I
can use debootstrap to set up a chroot, but how can I find out what
other things I need to do, which would have been done by boot-floppies,
but won't be now? I have a good idea of all the ... "important" stuff,
but am afraid I will miss something.

If boot-floppies source was laid out really nicely, it probably would
have been easy to find out what I'd be missing. But unless I miss
something, it is a bit too complex for me to go to the trouble of
finding out that way. So out of interest, will the new installer that is
being worked on, make alternative methods of install like this a lot
easier? (As it is still being, "designed" in some ways, maybe this is
something that can be kept in mind if it is not already ...)

Thanks,
Hugo van der Merwe

Re: The linux and Debian operating systems

[Ken Williams]

   Hi Stuart,


  In addition to the helpful advice other people on the list 
have already given I'd also say it might be easier for you
to obtain a linuxdistro from a linux-related magazine. There's
quite a few around now in the UK, for instance,

http://www.linuxuser.co.uk
http://www.linuxformat.co.uk

  are both available from most newsagents, and usually come
with a CD or two on the cover that often contains a 
linuxdistro plus a load of other utilities. The magazines 
themselves also contain tutorials + more useful info to get 
you started.

   If you don't have a CD-writer and only a slow internet
connection (56k) then this might be the way to go.


   Regards

  Ken
 

> 
> Hello my name is Stuart,
> 
> Today I went to Dixons to ask the how much the new XP operating system
> cost, and after some discussion I was told that I could download an
> free Operating system called Linux.


ps: Dixons recommending Linux ? Wow, I'm impressed :-)


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XWindow

[Joewidere]

I'll start my problem w/a confession:  my new computer has a winmodem (which I'll replace).  
The Debian installation is amazingly smooth -- until I get to XWindow.  At that point, I can get nothing but Cannot Connect.  If the winmodem is the culprit, the solution is obvious.  But at this point I wonder if I missed something.  Can you advise me or give me a HOWTO link?  Anything that puts me back on the road will be appreciated.  TIA.

Re: Patches applied to stock kernel to make deb kernel image

[Adam Warner]

On Wed, 2001-10-31 at 22:35, Eduard Bloch wrote:

First off I'd just like to say it never ceases to amaze me what packages
are available for Debian. I'm really surprised that someone would have
packaged up ppscsi for instance!

> #include 
> Adam Warner wrote on Wed Oct 31, 2001 um 07:28:19AM:
> 
> > I'm not an expert on this but I understand that Debian stays as close to
> > the offical Linus kernel as possible. So if you want to compile your own
> > kernel you should be fine just using a Linus one from kernel.org (or
> 
> No. mkcramfs on initrd is broken in Linus's tree, so please don't build
> initrd-aware kernel-image packages without using the debianised source
> package.

Note I did say "your own" kernel. OK I now understand why this doesn't
affect me. My /initrd directory is empty. And I don't have mkcramfs
installed.

I can read "Description: Make a CramFs (Compressed ROM File System)
mkcramfs lets you construct a CramFs (Compressed ROM File System) image
from the contents of a given directory.  Cram file systems are used for
Debian INITRD images." but I still don't understand the purpose of an
INITRD image.

> > mirrors). In my experience you will only need to patch it if you have
> > non-standard hardware requirements (e.g. for one of my computers I
> > require the Parallel Port SCSI patch).
> 
> BTW, ppscsi patch is available in the patch-package in Sid. And in
> kernel-image-2.4.13-586-ext3 image.
> 
> > make menuconfig (and select the options I want)
> 
> Yes, which _you_ want. If someone uses the config file from the Debian
> packages (with initrd), you will see the breakage when you try to boot
> with it.

Thanks for enlightening me to another way to compile kernels under
Debian.

> > make dep
> > make bzImage
> > make modules
> > make modules_install
> > make install
> 
> We have "make-kpkg" for such tasks. Makes your life easier.

I can't imagine how it could be easier than my current setup but I'll
look into it.

> > This isn't the standard Debian way of installing a kernel. However I
> > have non-standard requirements like ReiserFS compiled into the kernel
> > image which means I have to compile my own kernels.
> 
> E, this is not the reason for not using make-kpkg.

Thanks Eduard. This is the first I've heard of make-kpkg.

Regards,
Adam

Re: Which console configuration tools do exist?

[Stuart_Luscombe]

Try linuxconf (apt-get install linuxconf). This will let you setup you NIC
settings and
various other things, services, users etc.

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"Florian Effenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 31/10/2001 10:13:27




To:   debian-user@lists.debian.org
cc:(bcc: Stuart Luscombe/COSS/CCenter)

Subject:  Which console configuration tools do exist?



Hello,

I'm a Debian newbie, and I got a question :)

Which console configuration tools do exist, for configuring and
installing hardware? Until now I found modconf and kbdconf - are there
any others, e.g. for setting NIC settings etc.? I know how to
configure them manually, but a frontend is always nice :)

Thanks,
Florian


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Re: 100hz in Xfree86-4.1?

[Victor Julien]

Hi,

I tried your suggestion, but it doesn't work. I starting to get the feeling 
that the nvidia driver (the commercial one), doesn't work as it should. When 
I use the modeline tool to generate a modeline it does work with the nv 
driver, but not with the nvidia. Anyone else got this problem?
Any suggestions?

Victor

On Thursday 25 October 2001 00:53, you wrote:
> Hey,
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 07:55:42PM +0200, Victor Julien wrote:
> > I recently bought a monitor capable of doing 1280x960x100hz, but X uses
> > 85hz. Now i was wondering how i can tell X to use 100hz instead.
>
> Yeah, just edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file (/etc/X11/XF86Config if
> you're using a version of X < 4.0) and under the Monitor section, add the
> line:
>
> VertRefresh 100Hz
>
> Then restart X and it should work.
>
> Cameron Matheson
>
> _
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

X 4.1.0, Matrox & refresh rate > 85 Hz

[Oki DZ]

Hi,

Would it be possible?
How?

TIA,
Oki

Re: Which console configuration tools do exist?

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Stuart,

> Try linuxconf (apt-get install linuxconf). This will let you setup
you NIC
> settings and
> various other things, services, users etc.

Thanks, I know linuxconf :-)
Are there any other "Debian-own" tools?

Thanks again,
Florian

kernel-package fails on kernel 2.4.13 (on potato)

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

Hello.

I was trying to compile kernel 2.4.13 on a potato box (with Adrian Bunk's 
packages installed), and ran into this problem:

nice fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=ext3 kernel-image modules-image
dpkg: warning, architecture `i386-none' not in remapping table
 (...)
 Makefile:242: arch/i386-none/Makefile: No such file or directory
 make[1]: *** No rule to make target `arch/i386-none/Makefile'.  Stop.

Looks like kernel-package is setting the architecture to "i386-none"... That
seems to be in the following code that make-kpkg generates in debian/rules:

# The default architecture (all if architecture independent)
ifdef ARCH
  architecture:=$(ARCH)
  ifndef CROSS_COMPILE
KERNEL_CROSS:=$(ARCH)-linux-
  else
KERNEL_CROSS:=$(CROSS_COMPILE)-
  endif
else
  architecture:=$(shell CC=$(HOSTCC) dpkg --print-architecture)
endif

KERNEL_ARCH:=$(architecture)
  

But:

~$ CC=$(HOSTCC) dpkg --print-architecture
bash: HOSTCC: command not found
dpkg: warning, architecture `i386-none' not in remapping table
i386-none

So... Did anyone else have such a problem? I'll change debian/rules manually, 
but
I also would like to know if I should file a bug report (or if I did something
wrong here).

(I checked the BTS and did a search in lists.debian.org and found nothing...)

J.

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X with one and optionally two mice

[Stefan Bellon]

Hi!

I've got a Debian Potato notebook with Adrian Bunk's 2.4 kernels, thus
gaining USB support (amongst others).

Now I'd like to set up my XF86_SVGA 3.3.6 in a way that the internal
touchpad is always working and the external trackball connected via USB
is working when plugged in, but no error is generated when not plugged
in.

At present I have an additional XInput section (with AlwaysCore) in the
XF86Config file. But this prevents the XServer from starting if the
trackball isn't plugged in.

Is there any neat solution?

Can the same be done for gpm?

TIA.

Greetings,

Stefan.

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Potato to Woody Upgrade:WARNING

[Sebastian Canagaratna]

I attempted to dist-upgrade from potato to Woody, and I got the
following message:

THe following essential packages will be removed:

sysvinit util-linux (due to sysvinit)

This should NOT be done .

How does one proceed from here?

Thanks.


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Re: SMTP banner timeout

[Jan Paul Schmidt]

OK, I don't have the answer to the problem I send some days ago, but a
solution. The problem seems to be in the kernel 2.2.19. After downgrading
to 2.2.17 it works. I don't know it it is the kernel 2.2.19 or just the
debian package as I don't have currently the time to test this.

jps

Re: Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake

[hallstevenson]

DvB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To be more explicit, "apt-get upgrade" will not, under 
> any circumstances, install new packages...

'apt-get upgrade' will install new packages if they're required by another 
package that you have installed (and is being 'upgraded'). This will happen if 
package 'A' now requires package 'B' when with the previous version it didn't.

'apt-get upgrade' will, of course, prompt you about the additional package(s).

Hall

automate maildelivery

[proftpd]

Hi,

I would like to have my linuxbox sending me the /var/log/messages file on a
regular bases.

Creating the syslog correct is not the problem, neither to run cron.
But how do i produce the mail including the attachment?

Many thanks

markus

Re: automate maildelivery

[martin f krafft]

* proftpd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.10.31 14:31:42+0100]:
> Creating the syslog correct is not the problem, neither to run cron.
> But how do i produce the mail including the attachment?

e.g.:

mutt -a /var/log/syslog [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null

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Re: automate maildelivery

[Peter Ross]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 02:31:42PM +0100, proftpd wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to have my linuxbox sending me the /var/log/messages file on a
> regular bases.
> 
> Creating the syslog correct is not the problem, neither to run cron.
> But how do i produce the mail including the attachment?
> 
cat /var/log/messages | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This is not as an attachement, but very similar.

Also look at the package mime-construct if you want to send attachments.

Pete

Re: Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 08:30:22AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> DvB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > To be more explicit, "apt-get upgrade" will not, under 
> > any circumstances, install new packages...
> 
> 'apt-get upgrade' will install new packages if they're required by
> another package that you have installed (and is being 'upgraded').
> This will happen if package 'A' now requires package 'B' when with the
> previous version it didn't.
> 
> 'apt-get upgrade' will, of course, prompt you about the additional
> package(s).

The apt-get(8) man page claims differently:

   upgrade
  upgrade is used to install the newest  versions  of
  all packages currently installed on the system from
  the sources  enumerated  in  /etc/apt/sources.list.
  Packages  currently  installed  with  new  versions
  available are retrieved and upgraded; under no cir­
  cumstances   are   currently   installed   packages
  removed,  or   packages   not   already   installed
  retrieved  and installed. New versions of currently
  installed packages that cannot be upgraded  without
  changing the install status of another package will
  be left at their current version.

Is the man page wrong?

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Re: Newbie comments & queries

[Lance Simmons]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 01:30:55AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> 
>   - Someone also posted here in the past couple of weeks with a link to
> a consloe-based windowing system that works under GNU/Linux.  It's
> not packaged for Debian, but you may (should?) be able to get it
> running on your system.

I think you're referring to twin (a Text mode WINdow environment), which
is packaged for Debian, for sid at least. The packages pages at
www.debian.org aren't working right now, so I can't tell whether twin is
available for potato or woody.

-- 
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Re: Launching URL from Gnome-terminal

[Shaya Potter]

changing the gnome-url handler doesn't change it?

this is in the control-center Document Handler->URL Handler

On Wed, 2001-10-31 at 01:04, David Rose wrote:
> Erik van der Meulen in message Launching URL from Gnome-terminal (Wed, 10/31 
> 07:53):
> 
> > Dear all - I use mutt in a gnome-terminal. If I move my mouse pointer
> > over an URL, it gets automatically underlined. I would like to be able
> > to launche Mozilla with that link. Now I am copying and pasting...
> > 
> > Any suggestions?
> > 
> Hold down the  key and click the underlined link.
> 
> That said... how does one change the default browser for gnome-terminal links
> to something other than Mozilla (as it is on my boxen)?
> 
> -David Rose
> 
> 
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Re: IMAP...

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Tarjei Huse wrote:

> Cyrus, hmm. download the .debss, edit the rules to include
> --with-ssl=/usr and rebuild the deb. I think that is the way to go.
>

You should file a wishlist bug (if there isn't one already) asking for a
cyrus-ssl package.

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Re: newline in terminal??

[Simon Law]

> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Simon Law wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Rohan Deshpande wrote:
> > 
> > > Hey again,
> > > 
> > > ASDF JLK;
> > > 
> > > This bug is really annoying me.  I use the terminal just like everyone
> > > else and having my text be rewritten over as I type is just plain
> > > annoying.  Anyone discovered a solution yet?
> > 
> > I've got a question for you.  Is your prompt set to use
> > non-printing characters (like ANSI escape codes for colours?)  If so,
> > your shell may be confused about the number of characters you actually
> > have on a line.  If so, you will want to escape your non-printing
> > characters by surrounding them with \[ and \].
> > 
> How do I know if my prompt is set up that way? I use the 'out of the box'
> version of woody.

An out-of-the-box install of woody should be just fine.  You
only have to worry about non-printing characters if you edit your shell
prompt.

Simon

about the gcc-3.0 package..

[Rune Elvemo]

I downloaded the gcc-3.0 i386 package (to do a little check), it could
seem like it would add a file called "gcc-3.0" in /usr/bin. (using debian
woody here) Anyone who could confirm whether this is true?

If so I guess I could safely install gcc-3.0, and use the normal
gcc-2.95.4 for everyday use, and just change to gcc-3.0 when a program
neeeds it...

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X with ssh cannot open display

[Jan Ulrich Hasecke]

Hi!

I fear this is a faq.

It is said that ssh tunnels the x-connection and that all you have to
do is:

To login with
% ssh -X -l username host
% password
and type 
% xterm 

Nothing about removing -nolisten tcp in xserverrc and so on.

But when I do it, I get the error

cannot open display

I have the default settings in the ssh-configs on woody.

Ciao!
juh

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Re: New ssh v2 and authentication

[Gary Hennigan]

"Bill Wohler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Gary Hennigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I'm a bit confused by the fact that OpenSSH now defaults to using
> > version 2. How do I use ssh-agent as I have in the past to do
> > password-less logins?
>   
>   I posted a bug about the inconsistency, but apparently the "upstream
>   authors" are dead set against making the utilities consistent. So,
>   what to do...
> 
>   You've probably already figured it out since you were on the right
>   track. But if not:
> 
> > In the past I'd  do this once with my pass phrase:
> > 
> > % ssh-keygen
> > 
> 
>   Now you run "ssh-keygen -t rsa"
> 
> > and copy the contents ~/.ssh/identity.pub to the remote machine
> > ~/.ssh/authorized_keys.
> 
>   Now you copy the contents of ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the remote
>   machine's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2.
> 
> > then when I log in to my machine, which runs my window manager via
> > ssh-agent, I'd do
> > 
> > % ssh-add
> > 
> 
>   Now you do "ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub".
> 
>   What were those upstream authors thinking?

That did the trick! The worst part about it is there's no mention of
this in the man page. It talks about using identity.pub as default but
nothing about specifying a different file.

>   p.s. Now that you're running version 2, you may still need to get to
>   version 1 hosts. In this case, add this to your ~/.ssh/config:
> 
> remote-host-still-running-version1.domain
> Protocol 1

Got it, and thanks again!
Gary

OT: Merry Christmas!

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Why do we geeks celebrate Christmas today?
Because Oct 31 = Dec 25

(8r31 = 10r25)

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Re: XF86Setup for woody?

[George Karaolides]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, D. wrote:

> > Best regards,
>  George if when you did the dist-upgrade you got
> xfree4.1.x do a apt-get install xserver-xfree86
> Then do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
> that should bring up a set of configuration screens
> for XFree86-4
> HTH
> Don

Thanks,

Have done as above.  The configuration screens ask me to choose a driver. 
Where can I find info on which driver to choose for my card?  (Nvidia
TNT2 w.32MB RAM).  xf86config and xf86setup used to show a card database
so you could choose, but not here.

Best regards,

George Karaolides   8, Costakis Pantelides St.,
tel:   +35 79 68 08 86   Strovolos, 
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Re: Debian as multimedia system - startup and shutdown

[David Roundy]

On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 06:29:49PM +0200, Meir Kriheli wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm setting up a computer as a multimedia center using Debian (Sid).
> 
> The machine is connected to the TV for display and to the receiver for
> sound.  I have a wireless keyboard/mouse to access it. It'll serve as
> DVD/CD/MP3/Ogg player.
> 
> I have no problem setting it up and using it, but the rest of the house
> hold (actually my wife and our 2 dogs :-) have problems starting/shutting
> it down.
> 
> Is there a way to log in and start a X session (I prefer not to use
> KDM/GDM etc. I know I can use them-at least KDM), and when exiting the
> session shutdown the machine ?

I'm not clear why you prefer not to use kdm, as it does precisely what you
want, except for the automatically shutting down bit).  You can configure
it to automatically log into X without passwords, which sounds like
precisely what you want.

As far as training your two dogs to turn on and off the computer, I think
you'd have to buy some special hardware with a large on/off button.  Maybe
you could hack one of those apple USB mice, in which the whole mouse is one
large button?  :)
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XFree86 Upgrade

[Marcel Figuerola Estrada]

Does anyone know how to upgrade XFree86 in Debian Potato to version 4.x.x 
without upgrading to Woody?

Marcel

Re: Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake

[hallstevenson]

Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 08:30:22AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > DvB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > To be more explicit, "apt-get upgrade" will not, under 
> > > any circumstances, install new packages...
> > 
> > 'apt-get upgrade' will install new packages if they're required by
> > another package that you have installed (and is being 'upgraded').
> > This will happen if package 'A' now requires package 'B' when with the
> > previous version it didn't.
> > 
> > 'apt-get upgrade' will, of course, prompt you about the additional
> > package(s).
> 
> The apt-get(8) man page claims differently:
> 
>upgrade
>   upgrade is used to install the newest  versions  of
>   all packages currently installed on the system from
>   the sources  enumerated  in  /etc/apt/sources.list.
>   Packages  currently  installed  with  new  versions
>   available are retrieved and upgraded; under no cir­
>   cumstances   are   currently   installed   packages
>   removed,  or   packages   not   already   installed
>   retrieved  and installed. New versions of currently
>   installed packages that cannot be upgraded  without
>   changing the install status of another package will
>   be left at their current version.
> 
> Is the man page wrong?

I'll have to find a package that has a new dependency vs what the old, 
installed package has and try it...

If 'upgrade' doesn't do this, you will end up with a non-working program. Don't 
you agree ??

Regards
Hall

RE: apt-get & firewall

[Davi Leal]

Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Frederico.S.Muñoz wrote:
> > AFAIK either the HTTP, the FTP, or both; it depends on what you
define in
> > your sources.line.
> >
> > If you only define http sites you would only need the http port
open, the
> > same with the ftp.
>
> 2 things:
>
> 1) If you're blocking connections anal retentively, non-passive FTP
may
> break anyway.
>
> 2) Why are you blocking *outgoing* connections, anyway?  If you don't
> trust people inside your network to make an outbound connection, do
they
> really need to be on the network at all?

I am not an expert, anyhow, I think the *outgoing* connections are
allowed. See below:

# Output rules
#
# ipfwadm -O -l
IP firewall output rules, default policy: deny
type  prot source   destination   ports
acc   ALL  X.X.X.0/25   0.0.0.0/0 n/a
acc   ALL  0.0.0.0/0X.X.X.0/25n/a



And the machine which has the issue has the below allowed:

# Input rules
#
# ipfwadm -I -l | grep 5
acc   TCP  0.0.0.0/0X.X.X.5* -> 80
acc   TCP  0.0.0.0/0X.X.X.580,443 -> 1024:65535
acc   TCP  0.0.0.0/0X.X.X.5119,81,20,21 -> 1024:65535
   ^
   ^


The X.X.X.5 host is behind the firewall. Why pointing apt-get to
ftp.de.debian.org raises a "Connection time out" message after
Login-Connecting successfully?. The "Packages" file is not downloaded
any byte (0%). Note: I can use "lynx" and "ftp" rightly on the X.X.X.5
host. I can even download the "Packages" file using the "ftp" command.
Uhmm, ... Is it needed enable the UDP protocol to use "apt-get"?.

# ipfwadm -I -l | grep 5
acc   TCP  0.0.0.0/0X.X.X.5* -> 80
acc   TCP  0.0.0.0/0X.X.X.580,443 -> 1024:65535
acc   TCP  0.0.0.0/0X.X.X.5119,81,20,21 -> 1024:65535
   ^
   ^



Do you know any SMTP, FTP, firewall, DNS, POP3, ... server which uses
Debian and  "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" in cron to fix the
security bugs automatically?. Is it usual?.


Davi

Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake

[Paul Smith]

%% [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  >> upgrade
  >> upgrade is used to install the newest  versions  of
  >> all packages currently installed on the system from
  >> the sources  enumerated  in  /etc/apt/sources.list.
  >> Packages  currently  installed  with  new  versions
  >> available are retrieved and upgraded; under no cir-
  >> cumstances   are   currently   installed   packages
  >> removed,  or   packages   not   already   installed
  >> retrieved  and installed. New versions of currently
  >> installed packages that cannot be upgraded  without
  >> changing the install status of another package will
  >> be left at their current version.

  h> If 'upgrade' doesn't do this, you will end up with a non-working
  h> program. Don't you agree ??

No... re-read the description.

If the package can't be upgraded without adding new packages (or
removing existing packages), then it won't be upgraded.

Thus, everything will still be consistent after the upgrade.  But, you
might not have all the latest available versions of all the packages.


If you explicitly ask for a package to be installed (or upgraded), using
"apt-get install", then it _will_ add/remove packages if it needs to do
so in order to get that package installed.  If any packages need to be
added or removed, apt-get will tell you and ask you if you want to
proceed or not.

Also, if you use "apt-get dist-upgrade", then it will attempt to change
your package set to as close to the latest packages as it can, and that
may well include adding new packages or removing older ones.  Again,
apt-get will notify you and ask for confirmation.


HTH!

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Re: Debian as multimedia system - startup and shutdown

[Ulf Rompe]

Meir Kriheli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is there a way to log in and start a X session (I prefer not to use
> KDM/GDM etc. I know I can use them-at least KDM), and when exiting
> the session shutdown the machine ?

Maybe you want a system that logs you on when switched on and powers
down on logout? You may be able to build it like this (untested, check
man pages):

Install rungetty and configure it to start an X session for your user
instead of running login. Then configure your X session to run
"sudo shutdown -h now" after the window manager. You could do this in
/etc/X11/Xsession but there should be a better place for it.

If you want to have the ability to switch the system off by pressing a
button on the case you have to work on the hardware. One solution for
those having a game port but no use for it is to stick the wires of
the reset switch into button1 of the game port, install jslaunch and
configure "shutdown -h now" as an action for a single press of
button1. There should be equivalent solutions for other ports like the
serial port - as I think about it, it could be possible to configure a
UPS monitor program like upsd to recognize the button press as a
signal to shut down the machine since many UPS devices signal a power
lossage via a status line of a serial port. So this should be nearly
plug&play. :-)

[x] ulf

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Re: automate maildelivery

[Stephen Ryan]

On 31 Oct, proftpd wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to have my linuxbox sending me the /var/log/messages file on a
> regular bases.
> 
> Creating the syslog correct is not the problem, neither to run cron.
> But how do i produce the mail including the attachment?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> markus
> 
> 

Maybe you also want to take a look at logcheck:

# apt-get install logcheck

Logcheck will filter out "uninteresting" messages and highlight
potential security violations - both types of messages are very
configurable, and it comes with several default configurations.
-- 
Stephen RyanDebian GNU/Linux
Technology Coordinator
Center for Educational Outcomes at Dartmouth College

Re: installing on local hard drive, without boot floppies ?

[David Roundy]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 12:51:29PM +0200, Hugo van der Merwe wrote:
> 
> I want to install on a local drive, without rebooting with boot floppies
> (I want to keep the system running, while installing to a new drive). I
> can use debootstrap to set up a chroot, but how can I find out what
> other things I need to do, which would have been done by boot-floppies,
> but won't be now? I have a good idea of all the ... "important" stuff,
> but am afraid I will miss something.

I installed a second copy of debian on a second partition using this
method, and the only trick that I think I had to do was to copy
start-stop-daemon.REAL (in either /sbin or /usr/sbin) to start-stop-daemon,
as debootstrap disables start-stop-daemon by replacing it with a dummy.
Other than that, installing using debootstrap worked beautifully for me.

On the other hand, it could be that there is some other problem lurking
beneath the surface...
-- 
David Roundy
http://civet.berkeley.edu/droundy/

RE: Returning system to vanilla Woody

[Kris Huber]

Reading the how-to on apt-get may provide some help.  I think you need the
apt package from sid to use the /etc/apt/preferences file described in
Chapter 3 of
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/.

I have only read about this, so take it for what it's worth.
-Kris  

-Original Message-
From: Geoff Beaumont [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:38 PM
To: Debian User List
Subject: Returning system to vanilla Woody


Is there any way to downgrade packages to those provided by the archives
in /etc/apt/sources.list?

The reason I'm asking is that I recently added Ximian Gnome to my
sources.list and installed it on my Woody system, but it proving very
unreliable. I suspect this may be because I upgraded a number of packages
to those from Sid in order to install Evolution, and the Ximian packages
are intended to upgrade Potato, so expecting this to work was maybe a bit
much... in particular, I'm getting exactly the same crashes (every time I
try to view an email) as I did with the Evolution from Sid.

What I'd like to do is return my system to vanilla Woody then try adding
Ximian Gnome back in...is this possible or would I have to resort to a
clean install?

-- 
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lost sysvinit! What to do?

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

Er... Hello.

I did a very stupid thing... Removed sysvinit from a potato box, and now 
dpkg doesn't run anymore:

~# dpkg --force-depends --unpack   /export/jeronimo/sysvinit_2.78-4.deb 
dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH.
dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH.
NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin.


BTW, this is dpkg 1.9.17, from unstable...

So... Is there any chance I can install sysvinit again? I thought I could try

dpkg -x sysvinit_2.78-4.deb /

But I don't know if that would work... (Would it?)

Thanks a lot for any help!
J.

= 1000 times:
I will not remove essential packages.
I will not remove essential packages.
.
.
.

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RE: apt-get & firewall

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Davi Leal wrote:

> The X.X.X.5 host is behind the firewall. Why pointing apt-get to
> ftp.de.debian.org raises a "Connection time out" message after
> Login-Connecting successfully?. The "Packages" file is not downloaded

ftp.de.d.o has been flaky for me for as long as I remember.  Try some
other one, like debian.oanet.com...

-- 
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Re: lost sysvinit! What to do? [FIXED]

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

Ok, sorry for the alarm. Got it working.

I had copy update-rc.d from another box, and put it in /usr/sbin. Then
I just downgraded dpkg and installed sysvinit again...

J.

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Re: X with ssh cannot open display

[Jan Ulrich Hasecke]

Jan Ulrich Hasecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


> I fear this is a faq.

Umpf! Sorry. Its vica versa. I can shh -X from a potato-box to a
woody-box but not from the woody-box to the potato-box.

Sorry for that
juh

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Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake

[DvB]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I'll have to find a package that has a new dependency vs what the old, 
> installed package has and try it...
> 
> If 'upgrade' doesn't do this, you will end up with a non-working program. 
> Don't you agree ??
> 


As I said, if a currently installed package requires a package that
isn't currently installed before it can be upgraded, that package is
"kept back" I.e. supposing there are 2 packages on the system that have
new versions but require new dependencies that aren't currently
installed on said system, after running apt-get upgrade apt will say "0
packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded and
proceed to do nothing. You will then have to upgrade the packages
separately and resolve dependencies (I suppose a dist-upgrade would also
accomplish that).

Re: X with ssh cannot open display

[Jan Schlesner]

Hi,

what is with the sshd_config on the remote host. Perhaps the remote
host doesn't permitted X11 forwarding. I think the default value
for X11Forwarding in the sshd_config is 'no'. 

Jan

On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:10:41PM +0100, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote:
> To login with
> % ssh -X -l username host
> % password
> and type 
> % xterm 
> 
> Nothing about removing -nolisten tcp in xserverrc and so on.
> 
> But when I do it, I get the error
> 
> cannot open display
> 
> I have the default settings in the ssh-configs on woody.

-- 
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than to serve in heaven...

Re: Launching URL from Gnome-terminal

[Craig Dickson]

Karsten M. Self wrote:

> on Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 12:04:17AM -0600, David Rose ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
>
> > That said... how does one change the default browser for gnome-terminal 
> > links
> > to something other than Mozilla (as it is on my boxen)?
> 
> I would assume this is one of the gnome-handlers, though I don't use
> GNOME.  Try mucking with ~/.gnome/Gnome under [URL Handlers].
> 
> ...and if I'm wrong, let me know ;-)

You want ~/.gnome/gnome-moz-remote :

[Mozilla]
filename=mozilla

Change the filename= line to be whatever browser you want to launch.

There are also some things in the Gnome Control Center that may affect
this. I recall there's a panel in there for URL handlers. You could
probably sidestep gnome-moz-remote altogether that way. Unfortunately,
I'm not at my Debian machine at the moment, so I can't check.

Craig

DHCP and Adelphia Cablemodem (dhcpcd)

[Michael Patterson]

Yesterday I finally got my cable modem (Adelphia). Hooked it up to windows,
and it worked wonderfully. I was told that, in general, Adelphia doesn't
change the IP information, and it would be safe to copy it to the Debian
box. So I wrote down the information, moved the cable modem over to my
debian box, and set it up.

It worked for about 2 hours. Presumably, the DHCP server switched my
information on me.

So I installed the dhcp-client package and set it up. Didn't work. So I
removed that package and tried dhcpcd, which I actually had documents for.
That didn't work either.


Here's the information I have. It's somewhat sparse, but it's all that I
could find. (information seperated by )


# /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)

# The loopback interface
iface lo inet loopback

# The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian
installation
# (network, broadcast and gateway are optional)

iface eth0 inet dhcp
hostname "cy119366-a"
#leasehours 1
#leasetime 3600


white:/etc/dhcpc# more config
# List here the interface that the dhcpcd daemon should use.
# The default is to assign an IP address to eth0.
# If you want to disable the daemon, enter "none" here.
IFACE=eth0

# Add options here, examples are:
#  OPTIONS='-h "foo"'  set hostname (needed by some cablemodem
providers)
#  OPTIONS='-l 12345'  set leasetime
OPTIONS='-h cy119366-a'

syslog:
Oct 31 00:03:14 white dhcpcd[274]: timed out waiting for a valid DHCP server
response


Also, ifconfig doesn't show eth0. When I was running DHCP-client, eth0 did
show up, but without an IP address (not even 0.0.0.0, which is what I was
lead to believe would happen).

dhcpcd doesn't show up in a ps, and when run manually eventually exits
without any output.


All help is appreciated.

--Mike

Screen res; modelines; XF86 ???; ATI 3DPro Turbo

[Gianguido Cianci]

hi,

I am wondering if anybody can help:

It's my 1st time installing Linux and I am having problems...
I have reached a point where the size o fthe screen fits well on the monitor
by tweaking the monitor settings. Now my problem is that the resolution is
too low.
SO how do I find what res I am at? how do I find the best (highest) res I
can support with my hardware? and finally how do I set it up?

I would be very gratefull for any help


Thanks a lot

g





Here is some extra data:

card
ATI 3D Pro Turbo, 4Mb

driver
Mach64

screen
Gateway EV700
res range: 640x480 to 1280x1024
res: 1280x1024 @60hz
display colors: unlimited   (?)
Scan freq: H30-69 V50-120
video bandwith 70MHz nominal





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Re: IMAP...

[Justin R. Miller]

Thus spake Erik Steffl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> that's not the case with cyrus, right? at least I see no cyrus*-ssl
> packages. I still need to tunnel it via stunnel or something like
> that...

I believe packages are still of Cyrus 1.5.x, which needed stunnel or
similar for SSL support.  Cyrus 2.0.x supports SSL natively if compiled
to do so.  

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Re: 100hz in Xfree86-4.1?

[Dimitri Maziuk]

* Victor Julien ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> Hi,
> 
> I tried your suggestion, but it doesn't work. I starting to get the feeling 
> that the nvidia driver (the commercial one), doesn't work as it should. When 
> I use the modeline tool to generate a modeline it does work with the nv 
> driver, but not with the nvidia. Anyone else got this problem?
> Any suggestions?
 
Perhaps nvidia driver queries your monitor for supported refresh rates
and the monitor reports <100Hz? Check nvidia-glx's README, there may be
an option to disable that.

Dima
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RE: Merry Christmas!

[Brooks R. Robinson]

Okay, I claim to be geeky, but I've missed it.  Huh?

-Original Message-
From: Peter Hugosson-Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October, 2001 09:32 AM
To: Debian user list
Subject: OT: Merry Christmas!


Why do we geeks celebrate Christmas today?
Because Oct 31 = Dec 25

(8r31 = 10r25)

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Re: Latest GnuCash for potato?

[Brian Nelson]

"Stan Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue Oct 30 19:23:39 2001 Brian Nelson wrote...
> > "Stan Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> Are ther any .debs avaialable for the latest version of GnuCash,
> >>for a potato based system?
> > Why even bother to run potato if you want to install a whole load of
> >unstable (in the literal sense, not as in sid) libraries with shaky
> >dependencies?
> >
> 
> 
> I just want a more modern version of GnuCash, than is in potato. Are
> you saying potato has the latest STABLE version of GunCash?
> 
> I'm confused.

Stability in the Debian sense has to do with the entire system, not
just a single package.  Sid is unstable because its packages are
constantly changing and the system is always mutating.  Potato is
stable because it *never* changes, except for security updates.
Potato is finished.

There is very little reason to update packages on potato, because
you're really undermining the stability of the system.  Potato exists
to be an extremely reliable system that doesn't break.  Therefore,
it's great for servers that need the uptime and minimal maintenance.

However, it sucks as a desktop system for most people because the
packages are so out of date.  It is against Debian's policy to even
fix any of the bugs in these packages that are of "important" priority
or lower, so many of the out-of-date packages don't even work very
well.

If you want more up-to-date packages, by definition you want to run a
less "stable" distrobution--in other words, sid or woody.  In the
Debian world, up-to-date is inversely proportional to stable.

Trying to install an up-to-date gnucash on potato is like trying to
fit a square peg in a round hole.

-- 
Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: about the gcc-3.0 package..

[Josh McKinney]

On approximately Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:47:02PM +0100, Rune Elvemo wrote:
> I downloaded the gcc-3.0 i386 package (to do a little check), it could
> seem like it would add a file called "gcc-3.0" in /usr/bin. (using debian
> woody here) Anyone who could confirm whether this is true?
> 

Yes, you are correct.

Josh
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Re: about the gcc-3.0 package..

[Eric G. Miller]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:47:02 +0100 (CET), Rune Elvemo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I downloaded the gcc-3.0 i386 package (to do a little check), it could
> seem like it would add a file called "gcc-3.0" in /usr/bin. (using debian
> woody here) Anyone who could confirm whether this is true?

It does.

> If so I guess I could safely install gcc-3.0, and use the normal
> gcc-2.95.4 for everyday use, and just change to gcc-3.0 when a program
> neeeds it...

You can.  /usr/bin/gcc will point at gcc-2.95 by default.

-- 
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Re: DHCP and Adelphia Cablemodem (dhcpcd)

[Josh McKinney]

On approximately Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 09:50:27AM -0700, Michael Patterson wrote:
> 
> Yesterday I finally got my cable modem (Adelphia). Hooked it up to windows,
> and it worked wonderfully. I was told that, in general, Adelphia doesn't
> change the IP information, and it would be safe to copy it to the Debian
> box. So I wrote down the information, moved the cable modem over to my
> debian box, and set it up.
> 
> It worked for about 2 hours. Presumably, the DHCP server switched my
> information on me.
> 

Hot sure about the dhcp th ing, but I have a cable modem, from
Adelphia even!  I have used the same IP address that I was given when
I first signed up.  I have never used dhcp, and all has been well for
a very long time.  I am going on 2 yesrs with the same IP address.

Josh
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[OT] Re: Merry Christmas!

[DvB]

"Brooks R. Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Okay, I claim to be geeky, but I've missed it.  Huh?
> 



> 
> Why do we geeks celebrate Christmas today?
> Because Oct 31 = Dec 25
> 

Oct=October=Octal (base 8); Dec=December=Decimal (base 10)

If you convert the octal number 31 to base 10, you get 25... Or, you can
always run kcalc and switch radio buttons for the different bases :-P

So, as was stated, Oct 31=Dec 25

Re: 100hz in Xfree86-4.1?

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
Victor Julien wrote on Wed Oct 31, 2001 um 12:21:02PM:

> I tried your suggestion, but it doesn't work. I starting to get the feeling 
> that the nvidia driver (the commercial one), doesn't work as it should. When 

Yes, the non-free driver requires many special requirements to be met,
so they often fail on Modelines produced for "normal" Xservers,
including the free "nv" driver. See Nvidia's READMEs, I put a warning
into the README of the videogen package.

Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.
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RE: Merry Christmas!

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Brooks R. Robinson wrote:

> Okay, I claim to be geeky, but I've missed it.  Huh?

> Because Oct 31 = Dec 25

31 in Octal is 25 in Decimal...horribly bad math pun.  Hurt whoever
wrote it.  8:o)

-- 
Baloo

Re: XFree86 Upgrade

[Frank Zimmermann]

Does anyone know how to upgrade XFree86 in Debian Potato to version 
4.x.x without upgrading to Woody?


Marcel


Yes,
at http://people.debian.org/~cpbotha/ and follow the instructions.
More usefull unofficail apt-sources:
http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/apt-sources/

Frank
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funny ps output (resolution)

[Jonathan B. Leffert]

I had a question regarding why I was seeing

{netlink_unicast} {netlink_unicast_R__ver_netlink_unicast}   
Warning: /boot/System.map-2.4.13 does not match kernel data.  
{netlink_unicast} {netlink_unicast_R__ver_netlink_unicast}
Warning: /usr/src/linux/System.map does not match kernel data.
  PID TTY  TIME CMD
   1421 pts/200:00:00 zsh  
1439 pts/200:00:00 ps
  
whenever I did a ps.  This seems to be resolved by getting a new copy of
the kernel source code and building it cleanly.  I don't know why, but this
problem has gone away.

Jonathan

Re: 100hz in Xfree86-4.1?

[Victor Julien]

Hi Dima,

Thanks for the suggestion, i tried it using:

Option "IgnoreEDID" "boolean"
Disable probing of EDID (Extended Display Identification
Data) from your monitor.  Requested modes are compared
against values gotten from your monitor EDIDs (if any)
during mode validation.  Some monitors are known to lie
about their own capabilities.  Ignoring the values that
the monitor gives may help get a certain mode validated.
On the other hand, this may be dangerous if you don't
know what you are doing.  Default: Use EDIDs.

Option "NoDDC" "boolean"
Synonym for "IgnoreEDID"

From: the NVIDIA readme.

But it still doesn't work.

This is a piece of my log:

(**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
(==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888
(==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor
(==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "NoDDC" "1"
(**) NVIDIA(0): Ignoring EDIDs
(--) NVIDIA(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xD000
(--) NVIDIA(0): MMIO registers at 0xD800
(--) NVIDIA(0): VideoRAM: 32768 kBytes
(--) NVIDIA(0): Display Device 0: maximum pixel clock at  8 bpp: 350 MHz
(--) NVIDIA(0): Display Device 0: maximum pixel clock at 16 bpp: 350 MHz
(--) NVIDIA(0): Display Device 0: maximum pixel clock at 32 bpp: 300 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not probing EDIDs.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Sony: Using hsync range of 30.00-107.00 kHz
(II) NVIDIA(0): Sony: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-120.00 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0): Clock range:  12.00 to 300.00 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (hsync out of range)
(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range)
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "[EMAIL PROTECTED]":
(WW) NVIDIA(0):   horizontal sync width (2176 - 1360 = 816) greater than 256
(**) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes for Display Device 0:
(**) NVIDIA(0):  Default mode "1280x960": 148.5 MHz, 85.9 kHz, 85.0 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):  Default mode "1024x768": 94.5 MHz, 68.7 kHz, 85.0 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):  Default mode "800x600": 56.3 MHz, 53.7 kHz, 85.1 Hz
(**) NVIDIA(0):  Default mode "640x480": 36.0 MHz, 43.3 kHz, 85.0 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1280 x 960
(==) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (75, 75)

The modeline was created using the modeline command:
modeline -W 1280 -H 960 -z 100:
ModeLine"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 232.368 1280 1360 2176 2256 960 962 974 1030

As you can see it is ignoring the EDID, but to no effect.
Thanks for any suggestions, if you still have some.

Victor

On Wednesday 31 October 2001 18:17, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> * Victor Julien ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I tried your suggestion, but it doesn't work. I starting to get the
> > feeling that the nvidia driver (the commercial one), doesn't work as it
> > should. When I use the modeline tool to generate a modeline it does work
> > with the nv driver, but not with the nvidia. Anyone else got this
> > problem?
> > Any suggestions?
>
> Perhaps nvidia driver queries your monitor for supported refresh rates
> and the monitor reports <100Hz? Check nvidia-glx's README, there may be
> an option to disable that.
>
> Dima

Re: Patches applied to stock kernel to make deb kernel image

[Morbo]

Hi,

I havn't been able to compile or install a 2.4.x kernel at all for my system
would
just reset itself when trying to boot.

I have posted several messages regarding this to this list, but havn't got
any answers.
So I'm wondering whether I'm the only one with such problems.

Maybe you have an idea where I can start to look.

Here's what happens:
Lilo statrs booting then after putting some dots on the screen it
the computer just resets itself. No matter what I've tried it's always the
same.

Here's what I have:
a Shuttle FV24 Mainboard with a VIA C3 processor.
The motherboard chipset has an integrated Savage4 video chip,
some VIA audio chip, ATA100 IDE controllers, realtek 100Mbps ethernet,
and a Lucent FireWire chip.
I was running Potato then dist-upgraded to Testing (woody).

Here's a list of things I've tried.

- installing the shrink wrapped 2.4.10-I686 kernel package from testing
  did the initrd=/boot/initrd stuff
- compiled about a dozen kernel versions on my own using make-kpkg
- first from the debian kernel-source package for 2.4.10 with or without the
ext3 patch
- then downloaded 2.4.12 + ac6 patch from kernel.org

- tried compiling with the least possible options (kernel size ca. 560k)
- disablind ram disk, initrd support
- disabling loadable modules alltogether
- then explicitly compiling with make-kpkg --initrd

- at lilo prompt adding boot parameters: noinitrd, then initrd=/boot/initrd
...

- downgrading modutils

Also this may be not realated but somebody mentioned a kernel panic 21.05 or
21.95 in some other
post. (sorry I don't remember).
I've also vaguely recall having seen some 21.something before the dots
started after LILO a couple of times...
Sorry again, but my Linux box is currently in pieces, so I can't check the
exact message.

Does any of this make sense?
If you have any ideas, I'd be very, very greatfull, as I don't really know
what to try next!

Many thanks for your help in advance!
best regards,
Balazs



- Original Message -
From: "Eduard Bloch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:35
Subject: Re: Patches applied to stock kernel to make deb kernel image


> #include 
> Adam Warner wrote on Wed Oct 31, 2001 um 07:28:19AM:
>
> > I'm not an expert on this but I understand that Debian stays as close to
> > the offical Linus kernel as possible. So if you want to compile your own
> > kernel you should be fine just using a Linus one from kernel.org (or
>
> No. mkcramfs on initrd is broken in Linus's tree, so please don't build
> initrd-aware kernel-image packages without using the debianised source
> package.
>
> > mirrors). In my experience you will only need to patch it if you have
> > non-standard hardware requirements (e.g. for one of my computers I
> > require the Parallel Port SCSI patch).
>
> BTW, ppscsi patch is available in the patch-package in Sid. And in
> kernel-image-2.4.13-586-ext3 image.
>
> > make menuconfig (and select the options I want)
>
> Yes, which _you_ want. If someone uses the config file from the Debian
> packages (with initrd), you will see the breakage when you try to boot
> with it.
>
> > make dep
> > make bzImage
> > make modules
> > make modules_install
> > make install
>
> We have "make-kpkg" for such tasks. Makes your life easier.
>
> > This isn't the standard Debian way of installing a kernel. However I
> > have non-standard requirements like ReiserFS compiled into the kernel
> > image which means I have to compile my own kernels.
>
> E, this is not the reason for not using make-kpkg.
>
> Gruss/Regards,
> Eduard.
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Debugger DDD with gdb

[xucaen]

Hi all.

I have installed DDD, and it looks neet, however when I am stepping
thru a simple program it fails on an ifstreem. This same executable does not
fail when run from xterm.

Is there an option that I missed to tell DDD not to fail when opening input 
files?
Or is there a better graphical front end?
Maybe this is a limitation with GDB?

I am running Stable version of Debian, using g++

Thanks!

xucaen

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Re: about the gcc-3.0 package..

[Brian Nelson]

Rune Elvemo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I downloaded the gcc-3.0 i386 package (to do a little check), it could
> seem like it would add a file called "gcc-3.0" in /usr/bin. (using
> debian woody here) Anyone who could confirm whether this is true?
> 
> If so I guess I could safely install gcc-3.0, and use the normal
> gcc-2.95.4 for everyday use, and just change to gcc-3.0 when a program
> neeeds it...

The general answer to this would be to 'apt-cache show gcc-3.0' and
check the Conflicts: line.  If it doesn't conflict with gcc-2.95, then
it'll coexist just fine.  If it doesn't, then it's a bug.

There's documentation in /usr/share/doc/gcc-3.0 about this as well.

-- 
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libexpat1 (1.95.2-2.1) broke PHP4

[Makaveli]

I don't know exactly where to post this, so forgive if this is the wrong list.

I did an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade today. After this my PHP4 package
didn't work correctly anymore.
When I run a PHP4 script on the console I got the following error:
php4: error while loading shared libraries: libexpat.so.0: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory

The file libexpat.so.0 doesn't exist anymore. Before the upgrade to libexpat1
(1.95.2-2.1) I had no problem with running scripts.
After I made a symlink from libexpat.so.1 to libexpat.so.0, my scripts did work
again. But I don't know if this is a good solution.

FYI: I run Woody on a Pentium 60 with 16 MB ram.
Woody was installed by a net-install about a month ago.

Re: XF86Setup for woody?

[Brian Nelson]

George Karaolides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, D. wrote:
> 
> > > Best regards, George if when you did the dist-upgrade you got
> >xfree4.1.x do a apt-get install xserver-xfree86 Then do a
> >dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 that should bring up a set of
> >configuration screens for XFree86-4 HTH Don
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Have done as above.  The configuration screens ask me to choose a
> driver.  Where can I find info on which driver to choose for my card?
> (Nvidia TNT2 w.32MB RAM).  xf86config and xf86setup used to show a
> card database so you could choose, but not here.

I don't know about a card database, but you want the "nv" driver.

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Re: 100hz in Xfree86-4.1?

[Victor Julien]

So i guess there is nothing left to do but filing a bugreport to Nvidia?

On Wednesday 31 October 2001 18:35, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include 
>
> Victor Julien wrote on Wed Oct 31, 2001 um 12:21:02PM:
> > I tried your suggestion, but it doesn't work. I starting to get the
> > feeling that the nvidia driver (the commercial one), doesn't work as it
> > should. When
>
> Yes, the non-free driver requires many special requirements to be met,
> so they often fail on Modelines produced for "normal" Xservers,
> including the free "nv" driver. See Nvidia's READMEs, I put a warning
> into the README of the videogen package.
>
> Gruss/Regards,
> Eduard.

RE: Merry Christmas!

[Frederico . S . Muñoz]

> Okay, I claim to be geeky, but I've missed it.  Huh?


31 in Octal == 25 in Decimal :)

Cheers,

fsm


> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Hugosson-Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October, 2001 09:32 AM
> To: Debian user list
> Subject: OT: Merry Christmas!
> 
> 
> Why do we geeks celebrate Christmas today?
> Because Oct 31 = Dec 25
> 
> (8r31 = 10r25)
> 
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Re: XF86Setup for woody?

[George Karaolides]

> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, D. wrote:
> 
> > > Best regards,
> >  George if when you did the dist-upgrade you got
> > xfree4.1.x do a apt-get install xserver-xfree86
> > Then do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
> > that should bring up a set of configuration screens
> > for XFree86-4
> > HTH
> > Don
> 

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, George Karaolides wrote:

> Thanks,
> 
> Have done as above.  The configuration screens ask me to choose a driver. 
> Where can I find info on which driver to choose for my card?  (Nvidia
> TNT2 w.32MB RAM).  xf86config and xf86setup used to show a card database
> so you could choose, but not here.
> 

Sorry to be replying to my own post, but info on xfree86.org pointed me to
the "nv" driver.

I now seem to be on the right track, thanks for the pointer,

George Karaolides   8, Costakis Pantelides St.,
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Re: Debugger DDD with gdb

[Jeffrey W. Baker]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi all.
>
>   I have installed DDD, and it looks neet, however when I am stepping
> thru a simple program it fails on an ifstreem. This same executable does not
> fail when run from xterm.
>
> Is there an option that I missed to tell DDD not to fail when opening input 
> files?
> Or is there a better graphical front end?
> Maybe this is a limitation with GDB?
>
> I am running Stable version of Debian, using g++

Probably this version of gdb is quite old.  Newer 5.0 versiond of gdb and
the corresponding ddd seem to work without troubles.

-jwb

Re: 100hz in Xfree86-4.1?

[Dimitri Maziuk]

* Victor Julien ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
...
> As you can see it is ignoring the EDID, but to no effect.
> Thanks for any suggestions, if you still have some.

Well, the only other suggestion is to use xvidtune and fiddle
with modeline until you get the desired refresh rate.

Note that your monitor may not be able to do 100Hz at high
resolutions/colour depths.

Dima
-- 
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DDD with gdb Answer

[xucaen]

Hi all...  somehow just asking the questions enables me to figure out
the answers! ;-) 

I had thought that in DDD, File=>Open also changed into directory but it does 
not.
That's why the input failed. it couldn't find the file. It's working now
that I run DDD from current directory.(instead of from fvwm menu, and I am 
certain
that File=>Change Directory will work also) 

hmmm..  how do I get color syntax to work in vim 5.6.070-1??
(I figure if I ask, I'll figure it out.  ;-)

Thanks all!!!

Xucaen

Re: DDD with gdb Answer

[Danie Roux]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 02:17:21PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> hmmm..  how do I get color syntax to work in vim 5.6.070-1??
> (I figure if I ask, I'll figure it out.  ;-)
 
I highly suggest getting vim 6. Try people.debian.org/~wakkerma for the
debs.

But you get it to work by putting this into your ~/.vimrc and starting vim by
typing 'vim'. Not vi:

syntax on

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Re: Minimized windows do not display icons under Sawfish

[descdata]

> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:13:55PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Since changing from  WindowMaker to Sawfish, minimized 
> > windows do not display icons.
> 
> Good... then sawfish is working properly.
> 
> > Are others showing icons properly? Is this one of this, slip a line into
> > the rc file things?
> 
> There is no "properly".  Sawfish doesn't display icons.  You need something
> like the Gnome panel or fspanel if you want to be able to see iconized
> applications.
> 
> Or if you like the icons, perhaps you should continue to use WindowMaker.
> ^_^
> 
> -- 
> Marc Wilson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
Thanks for correcting me in. :-}. However, can you tell me why the hint text 
for the minimize button says ‘Button1-Off iconify-window’? Being excessively 
literal minded, I expected to see an icon!

Thanks,

Gary

something wrong with my fonts

[Philipp Bliedung]

Hi,

Since I fixed my problem with the fonts in RealPlayer 8 I get a 
different fonts when I start gimp from the xterm then when I start it 
from the menue (gnome or blackbox). This doesn't apply only to gimp - I 
get the same effect with gnumeric, gcalc, dia, gnp, etc. 
The menue-bar is just huge when I start it from the menue. When I start 
it from the xterm everything is just fine.


See for yourself! I attached a little screenshot.

Thanks,
Philipp
<>

Re: Debugger DDD with gdb

[J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 13:37:05 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   I have installed DDD, and it looks neet, however when I am stepping
> thru a simple program it fails on an ifstreem.

That's not a very clear description of your problem.

I guess you're trying to step into a function call to a library function and
that your executable has not been built against a debugging version of that
library. If that's the case, you should use "Next" to treat such a call as
one instruction rather than do "Step" and get "source not found" errors.

> Is there an option that I missed to tell DDD not to fail when opening
> input files?

DDD does not fail. Just use "Finish" when you've stepped into a function for
which you don't have the source and you'll end up outside of the function
call.

> Or is there a better graphical front end?

Not that I'm aware of. There's "xxgdb", but that does not add much to gdb in
my opinion. In unstable, ther are "gvd" and "kdbg" which I haven't used yet.
DDD is very useful, but like every program, you need to invest time to learn
how to use it.

HTH,
Ray
-- 
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Larry Wall on common fallacies of language design

Re: screen rocks (was Re: potato on 486)

[Vineet Kumar]

* Brian May ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011014 01:03]:
> > "Karsten" == Karsten M Self  writes:
> 
> Karsten> $ man screen $ screen -x 
> 
> Ok, Thanks. I looked up "man screen", but couldn't find anything. -x
> seems to be what I was looking for.
> 
> I am still not quite sure how you allow different unix users access to
> the screen though (see ACL commands in screen man page), as each user
> needs access to the socket (I think).  but screen will refuse to run
> unless the socket directory is only readable by the owner.

Screen's proper multiuser mode can only be used if screen is installed
setuid root. Weak, IMO. It does add a lot of functionality (like you
mentioned, ACLs), but doesn't seem worth it. So far, screen -x is enough
for me to do newbie walkthroughs and the like. You just have to share
your account with them temporarily, and don't get the advantage of
read-only access and stuff, but it's more convenient (easier setup, and
no setuid install).

good times,

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Re: New ssh v2 and authentication

[Vineet Kumar]

* Oleksandr Moskalenko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011030 17:34]:
>  I use the same setup. In my authorized_keys2 I only have my sshd
> machine's public key (cut and paste from id_rsa.pub in its entirety).
> Then I copied both id_rsa and id_rsa.pub to ~/.ssh on my remote machine.
>  It is maybe wrong to copy both, but my ssh-agent complains if I don't
> have id_rsa.pub on the remote machine. Then it basically started
> working. I have 

The private key is only required on the "local" machine. It's safest to
only keep it there, and then have your public key in the
authorized_keys2 file of all machines on which you have accounts. (You
don't need to keep separate files for each public key also; it just has
to be in authorized_keys2).

Also, if you're having trouble getting it working, also ensure that your
local ssh is looking the correct place for the private key. This can be
specified manually with -i on the command line or persistently with an
IdentityFile directive in the configuration file (/etc/ssh/ssh_config or
~/.ssh/config)

good times,

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