Re: Init dependency between nfs-kernel-server and name server
[Tollef Fog Heen] > It seems quite inappropriate to limit this information to just a > single init system when we have more than one in Debian. We should > strive to move that information into a init-agnostic place, and I > don't see why it would be wrong to just have the relevant init > scripts Provide the relevant facility. The simple issue is that this do not work with insserv, the first and as far as I have tested only system using the headers. I suspect that it would be better to list the provided virtual facilities in the scripts themselves, but believe it is a bad idea to do so until the LSB clearly state that this is the way that it should be done and insserv have been changed to handle it. I brought this topic up with the insserv upstream developers, but they believe it is a bad idea. Did not find time to work any more on the topic. A patch for insserv and a discussion within the LSB standardization framework would be a good way to bring this topic forward. :) Feel free to look into it if you got the spare time to spend on it. :) Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2fl1v7gdlg0@login1.uio.no
History ...: [RFC] disabled root account / distinct group for users with administrative privileges
Hi, Let's not reinvent the "wheel" :-) (Let's use old "wheel" group in line with current documentations.) On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 09:44:41PM +0200, Arthur de Jong wrote: > On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 16:48 +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > > If we decide to reject 'admin', I think we should use sudo. I find the > > argument that admin is confusing given the presence of adm fairly > > convincing -- It's all too easy to say something like "could you add > > fred to the adm group" over the phone and pronounce 'adm' as 'admin'. Very true. > > Sadly, we are not the first to make this decision though, and having > > admin on Ubuntu and sudo on Debian would be a pain for people that have > > mixed sites, or even for admins that just have access to some of each. > > The admin group is already used in update-notifier though (#502392) and > perhaps also other software coming from Ubuntu. If we talk about previous practices, the use of "wheel" predates "admin" to describe group for users with administrative privileges. This fact can be seen many current core packages although they are mostly in documentation only, thanks to RMS. Let me list few references. Most notable on is still in our current squeeze "info su" as: | 23.6.1 Why GNU `su' does not support the `wheel' group | -- | | (This section is by Richard Stallman.) | ... Since we use PAM version of su in Debian, this is not true. But it clearly states "wheel" group is intended for such use. The current su can be configured to support the "wheel" group now as described in /etc/pam.d/su despite RMS's wish. | # Uncomment this to force users to be a member of group root | # before they can use `su'. You can also add "group=foo" | # to the end of this line if you want to use a group other | # than the default "root" (but this may have side effect of | # denying "root" user, unless she's a member of "foo" or explicitly | # permitted earlier by e.g. "sufficient pam_rootok.so"). | # (Replaces the `SU_WHEEL_ONLY' option from login.defs) | # auth required pam_wheel.so Here, the use of "root" group is implied. It could be made to use the "wheel" group as long as root is also its member. Odd old history of GNU by RMS here. In the current sudoers(5) manpage, the use of "wheel" group is also implied for as such root access group in its example. | The User specification is the part that actually determines who may run | what. |root ALL = (ALL) ALL |%wheel ALL = (ALL) ALL | We let root and any user in group wheel run any command on any host as | any user. As I see in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_(Unix_term) , the "wheel" group seems most traditional name for such administrative privileges from pre-Unix days. (I thought wheel was from BSD thing but these are much older.) So let us not to reinvent a new group name. Let's use old "wheel" group. Whatever we choose, it may be good idea to have some consistency across our system and documentation. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101024090545.ga10...@debian.org
Re: bind runs apt-cache during shutdown????
Mike Bird writes: > On Sat October 23 2010 18:20:11 Brian May wrote: >> On the other hand, so what if it calls apt-cache policy - does that >> matter? Maybe apt-cache policy is broken on Mike's system? > > It takes about fifteen seconds for apt-cache to run on a system > that hasn't previously accessed those files. That's a significant > fraction of the overall reboot time. Much longer when the cached files need to be rebuild and again much longer with multiple architectures. Rebuilding the caches for an apt-cache policy run on kfreebsd-amd64 (with kfreebsd-i386, amd64 and i386 archs added) takes forever. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87iq0retgg@frosties.localdomain
Re: [MBF proposal] Empty packages in the archive
I've just submitted relevant bugs, list can be found here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?users=debian...@lists.debian.org;tag=empty-package -- .''`. : :' : Luca Falavigna `. `' `- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#601230: ITP: fritzing -- Easy-to-use electronic design software
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Enrique Hernández Bello" * Package name: fritzing Version : 0.4.3b Upstream Author : Fritzing Developers * URL : http://www.fritzing.org/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : Easy-to-use electronic design software Fritzing is an open source project designed to help one transition from a prototype to a finished project. Aimed at users who want to produce or document circuits and experiments, one starts by building a physical prototype, then recreating it with Fritzing’s graphical editor. From there one can generate a schematic, PCB artwork, and PCB production files. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101024133551.5660.49518.report...@toruk
Bug#601248: ITP: caneda -- open source EDA software focused on easy of use and portability
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer" * Package name: caneda Version : 0.0.1 Upstream Author : Michael Margraf , Stefan Jahn , Jens Flucke , Gopala Krishna A , Pablo Daniel Pareja Obregon * URL : http://caneda.tuxfamily.org/ * License : GPL 2 Programming Lang: C++ Description : open source EDA software focused on easy of use and portability Caneda is an open source EDA software focused on easy of use and portability. While in the short term schematic capture and simulation is the primary goal, in the long term future, PCB and layout edition will be covered. .. The software aims to support all kinds of circuit simulation types, e.g. DC, AC, S-parameter and harmonic balance analysis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101024162224.7361.18179.report...@luna.lisandropm.com.ar
Re: Init dependency between nfs-kernel-server and name server
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 20:27 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > | Besides, I believe $named is a existing and fitting virtual facility > | for this use. > > Indeed, it seems quite appropriate. It would at least simplify things for my nslcd package which provides name lookups (user, group, hosts, etc) via LDAP. It currently has a long list of things in the X-Start-Before header which is ugly. The thing is, that nslcd may also have a dependency on hostname lookups (e.g. if the LDAP server is specified as a hostname instead of an IP address) which makes things even more complex. For some background you may want to check out #478807, #544093 and #585968 -- -- arthur - adej...@debian.org - http://people.debian.org/~adejong -- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Init dependency between nfs-kernel-server and name server
]] Petter Reinholdtsen | [Tollef Fog Heen] | > It seems quite inappropriate to limit this information to just a | > single init system when we have more than one in Debian. We should | > strive to move that information into a init-agnostic place, and I | > don't see why it would be wrong to just have the relevant init | > scripts Provide the relevant facility. | | The simple issue is that this do not work with insserv, the first and | as far as I have tested only system using the headers. Sounds like a bug in insserv, then. | I suspect that it would be better to list the provided virtual | facilities in the scripts themselves, but believe it is a bad idea to | do so until the LSB clearly state that this is the way that it should | be done and insserv have been changed to handle it. The LSB doesn't really talk about what non-LSB applications should do, and no packages in Debian are LSB apps, so I suspect this is a matter of us deciding something sensible and trying to make sure it's compatible with what the other distros do and then run with that. | I brought this topic up with the insserv upstream developers, but they | believe it is a bad idea. Did they provide any reasoning for this? -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r5ffigs9@qurzaw.linpro.no
Bug#601275: ITP: drupal6-mod-xrds-simple -- xrds_simple modules for Drupal 6
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Al Nikolov * Package name: drupal6-mod-xrds-simple Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : James Walker (http://drupal.org/user/1531) * URL : http://drupal.org/project/xrds_simple * License : GPL Programming Lang: PHP Description : xrds_simple modules for Drupal 6 This module is a simple implementation of the XRDS-Simple spec : http://xrds-simple.net/core/1.0/ XRDS-Simple provides a format and workflow for the discovery of resources metadata, and other linked resources. XRDS-Simple is an important part of the DiSo project (http://diso-project.org/) and used by OpenID and OAuth for service discovery. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101024193036.1587.11747.report...@home-br0
Bug#601277: ITP: drupal6-mod-openid-provider -- openid_provider modules for Drupal 6
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Al Nikolov * Package name: drupal6-mod-openid-provider Version : 1.0~beta2-1 Upstream Author : James Walker (http://drupal.org/user/1531) * URL : http://drupal.org/project/openid_provider * License : GPL Programming Lang: PHP Description : openid_provider modules for Drupal 6 This module implements OpenID Provider support based on the OpenID Authentication 2.0 spec. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101024193645.2309.43860.report...@home-br0
Re: History ...: [RFC] disabled root account / distinct group for users with administrative privileges
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 at 18:05:45 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: > (Let's use old "wheel" group in line with current documentations.) That's not in line with wheel's historical use, though... historically wheel meant "may run su(8) at all". Everyone on a GNU system has the privileges traditionally given to the wheel group - they can su to any other user *whose password they also know*, including root. (The section you cited in the coreutils info page also mentions needing to know the root password.) The required group in this thread is "can become root by using *their own* password, without knowing the root password" - i.e. sudo on current Debian or admin on current Ubuntu. S -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101024202210.gb20...@reptile.pseudorandom.co.uk
Re: bind runs apt-cache during shutdown????
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 07:32:55PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > P.S. On my 2004 1.8GHz Pentium M laptop: > > $ time lsb_release -is > Debian > > real0m0.135s > user0m0.116s > sys 0m0.016s [~]# time lsb_release -is Debian real0m9.525s user0m6.216s sys 0m0.652s [~]# time lsb_release -is Debian real0m0.260s user0m0.112s sys 0m0.052s [~]# echo 3 >/proc/sys/vm/drop_caches [~]# time lsb_release -is Debian real0m2.814s user0m0.132s sys 0m0.140s [~]# apt-get update ... [~]# echo 3 >/proc/sys/vm/drop_caches [~]# time lsb_release -is Debian real0m13.134s user0m6.376s sys 0m1.024s It's both about filesystem cache and about apt's internal caches. If you run apt-cache as non-root, the latter won't get updated so the long delay will happen every single time. In other words, it's not something you want to call when not needed. -- 1KB // Microsoft corollary to Hanlon's razor: // Never attribute to stupidity what can be // adequately explained by malice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101024212749.ga26...@angband.pl
Bug#601285: ITP: liblatex-decode-perl -- Perl module to convert LaTeX input to Unicode
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Danai SAE-HAN (韓達耐)" * Package name: liblatex-decode-perl Version : 0.03 Upstream Author : François Charette * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/LaTeX-Decode/ * License : Artistic or GPLv1+ Programming Lang: Perl Description : Perl module to convert LaTeX input to Unicode The module LaTeX::Decode does (obviously) the opposite of LaTeX::Encode: it converts LaTeX input to Unicode. :) It also comes with a companion utility script, latex2utf8. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101024211436.29439.26175.report...@danai-laptop.kalimero
Re: Init dependency between nfs-kernel-server and name server
[Tollef Fog Heen] > Sounds like a bug in insserv, then. As far as I can tell it is a design decision. > Did they provide any reasoning for this? See http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.init.sysv.devel/66 > for the thread. :) Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2fleibfckxx@login1.uio.no
Bug#601288: ITP: liblist-allutils-perl -- A Perl wrapper for modules List::Util and List::MoreUtils
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Danai SAE-HAN (韓達耐)" * Package name: liblist-allutils-perl Version : 0.02 Upstream Author : Dave Rolsky * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/List-AllUtils/ * License : Artistic or GPLv1+ Programming Lang: Perl Description : A Perl wrapper for modules List::Util and List::MoreUtils Are you sick of trying to remember whether a particular helper is defined in `List::Util' or `List::MoreUtils'? The author sure is. Now you don't have to remember. This module will export all of the functions that either of those two modules defines. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101024214333.31402.70001.report...@danai-laptop.kalimero
Bug#601290: ITP: libxml-libxml-simple-perl -- Perl module that uses the XML::LibXML parser for XML structures
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Danai SAE-HAN (韓達耐)" * Package name: libxml-libxml-simple-perl Version : 0.14 Upstream Author : Mark Overmeer * URL : http://search.cpan.org/dist/XML-LibXML-Simple/ * License : Artistic or GPLv1+ Programming Lang: Perl Description : Perl module that uses the XML::LibXML parser for XML structures This module is a blunt rewrite of XML::Simple (by Grant McLean) to use the XML::LibXML parser for XML structures, where the original uses plain Perl or SAX parsers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101024215722.681.65325.report...@danai-laptop.kalimero
