On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 12:12:53PM +0900, Mike Hommey wrote:
> You're being offensive, you should not be included in Debian.
Reading this one comment made this whole craptacular thread worth reading.
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stributing
content to places like Iran.
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end, and while it's not done
I've made some considerable progress on it. If you'd like help or a
comaintainer, let me know.
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On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 12:32:31PM -0600, Adam Majer wrote:
> David Nusinow wrote:
>
> >I worked on a package for this throughout the weekend, and while it's not
> >done
> >I've made some considerable progress on it. If you'd like help or a
> >coma
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porting problems? What about the heavy burden on the security team?
The problems extend beyond the mirrors and the buildds.
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> out for discussion and feedback first.
I disagree. I dislike the cabalistic feel of this whole thing, but it's a step
forward that needs to be taken, and I don't think anything would have moved
otherwise. I trust this group of people to know what they're doing, since
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 04:37:36PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi, David Nusinow wrote:
>
> > What about the *massive* issues with releasing d-i due to syncing on all
> > arch's?
>
> Yeah, and *after* these were solved, it was "oops, we still can't
other.
Agreed on the archive space, but I don't know what to do about that. One thing
that we've seen lots of is people happy and willing to donate buildd's for
their pet arch. I'd imagine those could be converted to package pool space and
such. The bandwidth issue I have no
n in sync with FCC
> changes sounds impossible under this scheme;
I disagree. I think the tools are all there to do it. There's no magic to
running Debian, it's just a lot of manpower and lot of scripts.
> it will drive the SCC archs away from debian so that they
> have some
ifferent hosts for each SCC) part of
the plan in the email? I don't think anyone wants to break alioth further.
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a huge waste of manpower, done seven times in a row.
Hopefully not that huge, as the tools have already been written. Perhaps there
can be a single package pool for all SCC/Tier-2 arches so it only has to be
done once.
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with a su
ready strained before Ubuntu existed. Our release team was struggling to get
sarge out before Ubuntu existed. Our security team was already undermanned
before Ubuntu existed. d-i was short on contributers and had a hard time
releasing before Ubuntu existed.
We have only ourselves to blame for where we
ced on the people doing the actual work. Are you paying attention to what
the Release Managers, D-I Lead, and FTP Masters are saying? Or are you just
assuming that they're out to get you?
> And keeping IA64 in the loop is just another joke from the release
> team. It'd be interes
ble Debian
with all it entails.
You're some piece of work.
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:04:31AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:52:22 -0500, David Nusinow
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Sarge was already very late before Ubuntu existed. Our mirror network was
> >already strained before Ubuntu existed. Our releas
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 07:13:39PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:17:25 -0500, David Nusinow
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:04:31AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> >> From what is public visible, the security team has lost at l
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 06:45:48PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > For *years*, I've heard porters complain about ftpmaster and
> > such. Well, now every port has the full ability to take matters in
> > to their own h
lems
instead of just bitching. Oh, and do the work to implement it.
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:55:57PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi, David Nusinow wrote:
>
> > This does not preclude porters from making a stable release. In fact, all
> > the talk I've heard assumes that they will (via the snapshot method).
>
> Anybody can do
in that email. It definitely clarifies
things.
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nced such that when a hint is carried out by the
RM's, a notification mail is sent out to a subscriber list notifying them of
the hint. This would allow for multiple subtestings to choose wheter or not
they want to do the same thing.
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s is still an issue. Joey Hess's mails have indicated very clearly that it's
difficult to get an installer release out even when all arches are already
supported.
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ee license for the papers to be acceptable. That they are mandating
this is acceptible and is to be encouraged for an event connected with
Debian.
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On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 10:13:31PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >> > Debconf requires non-exclusive publication rights to papers,
> >> > presentations, and any additional handouts or audio/visual materials
rimental, and is slated to be removed in
the next upload of Xorg to unstable, be it 6.8 or 6.9. If this really is an
important issue, I can do a 6.8 upload to unstable within 24 hours.
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y "Yep, that's Debian".
Check out the windowmaker package. It has (or had as of a few years ago) a
beautiful Debian theme complete with a very nice wallpaper. Creating
similar themes for other window managers and desktop environments would be
great.
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roject rather than their little
package feifdom. It might help overcome the sense that key people aren't
communicating, as well as provide more easy avenues for NM's to get
involved that don't simply involve packaging some crap little script from
freshmeat.
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meone can take ownership of a
package within the team) but also a cohesiveness and a known set of people
to turn to when you're in need.
It's pretty simple to found such a team too. All it takes is some
interested people and an alioth project.
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g 6.9 while it was in
experimental. Not enough to catch all the bugs by any means, but I got at
least some feedback. Then again, Xorg is special in that people with newer
hardware often need the updates.
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at the buglist. I'm not really all
that thrilled about the possibility of becoming the mesa maintainer, but
right now it looks like my only option if I want to move on modular xorg.
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p from scratch. If you want it in Debian, get hacking.
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tions, soliciting advice politely, and rolling up your
sleeves and getting some work done. Free software on the scale that Debian
exists is fundamentally a social activity, and if you want it to work you
have to make an effort on the human level. All this crap about launchpad,
arch vs svn, and ot
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:25:17AM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 09:26:33AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> > Hello! This is one of 5 RC bugs, apparently with no maintainer response.
> > Apparently the list which is listed as the maintainer is rej
on this kind of personal
level. I don't really buy in to their whole "giving back to Debian" thing
(because they didn't really "give back" xorg, I had to take it after they
made it for themselves) but they do present a great opportunity for us to
establish these kinds of working relationships.
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On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:35:18PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> However, on the other hand feel free to create a "common maintained
> packages team" that adopts such packages :)
Isn't that pretty much what the qa team does?
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at keep many users from using Debian." From the sound of this
thread everyone would welcome what's on that page with open arms.
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o idea how, but I do know that I'm still looking to close the gap in
certain differences between our X packages and Knoppix's for instance.
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On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:53:51PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 05:49:40PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
> > I don't buy this. The impression that just about everyone has of this
> > didn't come from nowhere.
>
> Not from nowhere, no. The
g an NMU for one
of his other packages, and I can NMU gerris sometime over the next few days
with your patch in his report.
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 03:42:54PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 10:25:58AM -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> > Hi all
> > Please let me know if there is other appropriate mailing list to
> > report this problem. I am looking at the package
care about a topic please don't waste all of our time
while you browbeat your opposition (and in this case, fellow Debian
developer) in to the ground. Some of us who do care might want to see
something positive come out of this long and painful thread.
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community for making a similar mistake.
That said, I don't really understand why it's Ok for Ubuntu to do this but
not us.
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 03:18:48PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 05:58:20PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
> > That said, I don't really understand why it's Ok for Ubuntu to do this but
> > not us.
>
> Ubuntu never installs python-minimal wi
'm also confused and genuinely curious... you
guys use the minimal package during bootstrapping or something and then by
the end of the installation process you will necessarily have the full
python somehow. Is this correct?
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On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:18:18PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
> I've got an NMU prepared and sitting in the XSF svn repo[0]. Almost all the
> work was done by Daniel Stone, so I mainly had to add the appropriate bug
> closers in the changelog.
>
> This NMU will depend on a n
translate just fine to Debian. I'll be uploading packages to
experimental shortly to test for this, although I don't recommend anyone
use it outside of a chroot until we have a more or less complete X suite
available in experimental. If you have any questions or comments, please
feel fr
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 12:15:23AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> David Nusinow wrote:
> >One of the changes happening for Xorg 7.0 is that it will finally become
> > FHS compliant.
>
> FWIW, the FHS 2.1 specifies /usr/X11R6 in section 4.1. I can't see
> anything FHS-
/usr/bin/X11 is still a symlink to . (or rather
../bin), so anything installing to /usr/bin/X11 will actually install to
/usr/bin.
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On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 09:54:54PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Right. The everything that you'd expect to go in to /usr/bin and
> > /usr/lib will install there, at least as far as Xorg goes. An example of
> > th
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 07:32:33AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 12:48:24AM -0500, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Right. The everything that you'd expect to go in to /usr/bin and /usr/lib
> > will install there, at least as fa
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 02:48:33AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> David Nusinow wrote:
> > Right. The everything that you'd expect to go in to /usr/bin and /usr/lib
> > will install there, at least as far as Xorg goes. An example of that is
> > that the new xterm package i
boring, and I
> wouldn't recommend it if you can avoid it.
Apparently upstream has made an imake configuration that will basically do
the right thing and install binaries to /usr/bin and so forth. I'll be sure
to enable this in our build. Hopefully that'll take care of this issue.
-
tle tribe) and I
look forward to more of the same. Maybe the next time you start trying to
do some real work for Debian rather than troll -project you'll find this
out for yourself.
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edge to reduce this problem in my own work,
rather than write it in the language I would have chosen had I been first
to the site. While perl has its share of problems, it's not that bad and
refusing to work in it is a little absurd.
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On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 07:32:33AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 12:48:24AM -0500, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Right. The everything that you'd expect to go in to /usr/bin and /usr/lib
> > will install there, at least as fa
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>
> * Package name: xserver-xair
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issue. Please note that the usual way to do this is by
filing a wishlist bug against the package, and I'd appreciate it if you use
this mechanism so I can keep track of it easily.
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On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 03:02:31PM +, Will Newton wrote:
> 1. File a wishlist big against dosage if one does not already exist.
1a. Submit a patch so that you can be certain you get what you want.
> 2. Get on with your life.
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On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 10:05:15AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 12:06:15PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 05:43:26PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > [1] The installer might be a point, but since all sarge architectures
> > &
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 09:06:23PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote:
> David Nusinow wrote:
> > You know, you keep saying this and I have a really hard time
> > believing it, although I don't follow the kernel list so please
> > enlighten me if I'm wrong.
>
> The p
e baby to the
> debian-boot people to handle as usual.
>
> Hope this clarifies things a bit.
Thanks Sven, it certaintly does. It's much appreciated.
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ackwards from "we want this stuff to be in main, freedoms or not"?
>
> > Well, I would start with "we want this stuff in main" and work from
> > there;
>
> See? There you go.
I have a hard time believing that this is a fundamentally wrong approach to
ta
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blasting through the queue so fast)
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y in the Netherlands, "De beste stuurlui staan
> aan wal", "The best boatsmen are standing on shore": it's easy to
> complain while not bearing any responsibility, rather than actually
> doing the job
Very well said Jeroen.
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> >print.
>
> Their fault for releasing a book about unreleased software which is
> bound to be outdated the day that sarge will actually release.
A lot of users request just such a book. It's been years since we had one,
and it's been
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 12:34:57AM -0400, Ed Cogburn wrote:
Stop acting like such a spoiled child. You want non-free for amd64? Host it
yourself until it gets moved officially. Don't like it? You've qualified
for a full refund on your purchase.
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play politics forever
though, and at a certain point there needs to be some more coherent
statement of policy (if just for practical purposes) than what we've seen
so far.
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On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 02:35:10PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> David Nusinow writes:
> > No. There are a number of people who are in charge of important technical
> > decisions who have no more association with Canonical than you or I
> > do. I'm sure if you stop rant
the debian project will switch to the new software
> > so ubuntu can stop running an independent bug tracker?
>
> I think that's pretty unlikely, personally ...
Would it be of a lot of benefit to us if it could be done? I'd personally
rather not have Debian's BTS be t
Org, in the future. I share
Daniel's ambition to have up to date X packages in Debian, and I plan to
work to make this a reality so that we don't have these kinds of
discussions in the future.
I'd be surprised if there wasn't a more thorny relationship between Debian
and Ubuntu
27;t have that
many people working on it, so you guys can't be everywhere at once, but
having Daniel helping from one side and Branden from the other has been
enormously beneficial to this X newbie in getting these packages moving.
The fact that it's a personal touch from each, rather than just an
automated BTS mail, really does go a long way, and I'm enormously grateful
for it.
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ork here also.
That would definitely be nice. I consider the leaps we've made in
translations with sarge to be one of the best improvements in Debian since
woody, and I'd like to see more of it.
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ting your packages
if you prefer.
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[0] http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/
[1] http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xlibs-static-dev.txt
[2] Add "deb http://people.debian.org/~dnusinow/xorg ./" to your
sources.list. The sources are also available in this archive
th your name by it! Let's
use this page to show people what's actually happening in Debian, so they
don't have to trawl through a zillion bug reports, mailing lists, and irc
channels just to hear what we plan to do.
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r and debootstrap are considered absolutely critical for
serious work.
In terms of failed tools, yada seems to generate a lot of dislike.
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On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 03:08:06PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes:
>
> > On Aug 01, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Also, pbuilder and debootstrap are considered absolutely critical for
> >
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 12:44:19PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.01.0005 +0100]:
> > Subversion, in conjunction with alioth, has risen dramatically in
> > Debian to accomodate team-based maintainance. There are of
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 11:56:44PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> * David Nusinow [Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:37:23 +]:
>
> > (I'm seriously
> > interested in setting up git.debian.org for XSF work, for example*),
>
> > * If anyone else is interested in this, contact
loyed in Debian.
Admittedly, I do few NMU's though, so I could be missing things. But I did
investigate a large number of patch systems for use with xorg and they all
had this in common.
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somewhere in your distribution, that's fine."
First off, I'm excited about this package. But does this actually allow for
modification and redistribution? By "use the data however they'd like",
does that include modification, or is it just reading the data?
- David
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 10:28:58PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006, David Nusinow wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 11:56:44PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> > > * David Nusinow [Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:37:23 +]:
> > >
> > > > (I'
On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 05:39:36PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 09:44:59PM +0000, David Nusinow a écrit :
> >
> > First off, I'm excited about this package. But does this actually allow for
> > modification and redistribution? By "u
is what I'd consider the appropriate fix. Just do another upload
straight away and you don't even need to bother an ftpmaster. It's what I
would have done if I'd been awake.
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he upload of
> xorg-server (xserver-xorg-core) 1:1.1.1-3, accidentally uploaded to
> unstable instead of experimental. An easy enough mistake, it's only
> one little field in a changelog file.
Crap. Sorry everyone.
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Even if we don't autodetect and download
the non-free X drivers, Debian will support people's video cards on newer
hardware when it's released. This, along with providing SATA support out of
the box, should go a long way towards solving this issue in the short term.
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e.
Deferring to Ubuntu for this work is the worst sort of defeatist nonsense
and I will not to bow to it. I like collaborating with the Ubuntu people,
but I refuse to compromise my own work or Debian as a project just so that
they can excel.
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ll probably end up following the same pattern as is decided for libc.
I'd rather not diverge, especially if the solution used for libc is the
correct one.
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On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 05:35:32PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> As shipped, the Debian kernel images have SELinux compiled in,
> but disabled, a command line parameter is required to turn SELinux
> on. When SELinux is turned on (by enabling it in grub), the default
> policy setting a
worked better for me than positron since day
1, and it does continue to see updates. It'd be nice to have NDBM packaged
for Debian and in the archive (though not critical, since jar files are
easy enough to deal with) if someone with java skillz is interested.
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on mechanisms so that
this doesn't happen. One of my target goals is to work on this post-etch,
and happily upstream is working hard on it as well. If people want to help
with this issue, please follow up to debian-x.
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