Hello!
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 12:09:30AM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Wilfried Goesgens said:
> >
> > * Package name: citadel
...
> However, I have one question that has made me leery of it
> so far: does it really need it's own implementation of all of those
> p
Hi,
Ad backports importance,
I know there is backports.org -however this, and the testing, unstable,
stable, volatile, experimental.. So many package versions, so much
duplicate work.. Other hand, there's nothing "official" and
"recommended" excepting the stable. Using anything else, You're
The kernel, the X.org
I realise, that the kernel and X.org are somewhat delicate things,
because they affect both desktop and server. Changing them in the middle
of release life, might not sound too well.
However, at least by the means of the kernel, the server world also
needs new hardware
Ad testing,
in my experience, testing is not really good option for real work. There
are _platform_ changes going in testing, that leads to broken
dependencies and sometimes completely nonfunctional snapshots.
Therefore, I suggest _the_platform_ (libraries and so on) to remain
stable, just
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
I know there is backports.org -however this, and the testing, unstable,
stable, volatile, experimental.. So many package versions, so much duplicate
work..
I do not think that the work between the things you mentioned is really
duplicated.
I th
On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 03:51:40PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
> A long time ago we planned for SPI to protect Debian developers from
> liability connected with their development of Free Software. [...]
(By and large, Bruce is speaking for himself here, and possibly some
of the other founders of S
Andreas Tille wrote / napísal(a):
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
I know there is backports.org -however this, and the testing,
unstable, stable, volatile, experimental.. So many package versions,
so much duplicate work..
I do not think that the work between the things you m
On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:19:50 +0200, sean finney wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 22:33 -0700, Carlos Ramirez wrote:
>> Is a file, webpage or command that can provide a list of packages that
>> are part of the Debian base system? I tried searching in various places
>> without much luck. Any help in th
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 11:36, Sam Morris wrote:
> Some poiking about in apt's Packages list as described by sean will do
> the trick, although there is also a 'Priority: important' level, which
> I assume is installed by default along with required packages.
Priority important packages are part of
Hi,
On Tue, 15.05.2007 at 18:11:03 +1000, Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 03:51:40PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
> > Some of us have homes, and other property that we would rather not place
> > at risk of any lawsuit connected with our Free Software activities.
Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
>> Also, some people might be relaying in the file's current location for
>> something. Should I put a symlink in their place?
>
> Just a warning: Symlinks that are shipped in the deb and poi
Does all this project involve only proper Debian Developers, or also people
who are maintaining Debian packages without being full Debian Developers?
Also, we're only talking about Developers who live in the USA, or that have
that nationality, aren't we?
Greetings,
Miry
Toni Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...] Eg. IFF they (hypthetically) were to
> successfully sue the FSF, then we'd lose a large chunk of important
> stuff because the copyrights held by the FSF will probably be
> confiscated in order to "pay" the damages. [...]
Even if that is the case (wh
Hi,
Thank you for sharing your point of view. But you draw too many
conclusions. You speak out of "rumors" and "experience" and you fail to
understand that Debian is not a Desktop-only distribution.
Get involved and learn our development process, you'll discover that you
can't rely on many assump
Hi, Raphael
Testing is usable. I used it through the whole development cycle of etch.
Bugs are unavoidable, you said it yourself. It's a matter of how many
problems you can accept.
Yes, bugs are unavoidable. However, testing is often in situation "whole
system broken" or "nearly useless". I se
Hello,
On Le Tuesday 15 May 2007, à 14:01:28, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > Testing should simply be the place where _platform_ changes are shaken
> > out, not the "input buffer for the new software".
>
> Actually sid is where the platform changes are done. And once they're OK,
> they get moved to
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 14:44, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
> Yes, bugs are unavoidable. However, testing is often in situation
> "whole system broken" or "nearly useless". I see difference here;
> occassional bug in desktop app is acceptable. Whole system unreliable
> is not acceptable.
Can you subs
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
> Yes, bugs are unavoidable. However, testing is often in situation "whole
> system broken" or "nearly useless". I see difference here; occassional
> bug in desktop app is acceptable. Whole system unreliable is not acceptable.
Have you facts to ass
We're going OT, however my experience based on last two Debian releases:
testing becomes quite "stable in means of usability" somewhere half year
before it's released as "stable". The sooner before the stable, the
rapidly increasing is the chance that the snapshot that You have will
not be inst
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
> We're going OT, however my experience based on last two Debian releases:
> testing becomes quite "stable in means of usability" somewhere half year
> before it's released as "stable". The sooner before the stable, the
> rapidly increasing is the
Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 09:24:35AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Maybe I misunderstand, but wouldn't something like (>= 1.0.1-1) and (<<
> 1.0.1-2) be more correct? That way the package is still binNMU safe and
> also safe from breaking if incomp
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 03:49:07PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 09:24:35AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > Maybe I misunderstand, but wouldn't something like (>= 1.0.1-1) and (<<
> > 1.0.1-2
On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 02:55:40PM +0200, "Mgr. Peter Tuharsky" <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> Debian developers often see "Ubuntu the enemy" and are mocking it as
> inferior technology. However, they fail to see, what does the Debian
> really offer to desktop users eventually. They fai
Hi,
we've run across a problem with our texlive packages, and I'd like to
get some opinions, in particular regarding dpkg behavior.
TeX Live is one big thing upstream (one DVD) and has been split for
Debian packaging into one arch:any and four arch:all source packages
with numerous binary package
On 14-May-07, 19:35 (CDT), Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 05/14/07 17:23, Wilfried Goesgens wrote:
> > Description : Citadel.org is an highly integrated Groupware Platform
> > with a Web 2.0 enabled Webinterface, but also providing SMTP, IMAP, POP3
> > and GroupDAV access to i
On 14-May-07, 14:40 (CDT), Andreas Fester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was just investigating a bug where the issue seems
> that no print system is installed
> (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420746)
>
> That raised the question: would it make sense to add a
> virtual package
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 03:49:07PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 09:24:35AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > Maybe I misunderstand, but wouldn't something like (>= 1.0.1-1) and (<<
> > 1.0.1-2) be more correct? T
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Owner: Eric Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Version : 0.4
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I just released webcalendar 1.1.2 to experimental. Although this version is
considered to be a development version by the upstream author (1.0.5 is the
recommended "production" release), it is good to have the 1.1.* branch in
experimental, such that upgrade problems are detected before Webcalendar
Hi,
John Goerzen wrote:
> I guess I have to just ask: how useful is this?
>
> This is really a quite trivial calculation, and many apps/websites
> perform it automatically these days anyway.
It's right, but rsync only display upload/download time for one file,
even if You transfer 20 files. And
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 12:20:22PM -0400, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote:
> Yes, but in reality what is the likelihood that either a security update
> or NMU would introduce an incompatible change? I would say that such a
> possibility is extremely low.
Why couldn't a security change require making inc
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
>> bug #420578
> Oh, since your statement confused me a bit, but reading the bug log
> clarified it: The problem is not with any symlink pointing to conffiles,
> in particular not with the common case of fix
On 15-May-07, 04:25 (CDT), "Mgr. Peter Tuharsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Do You think, that
> -compiling new upstream version of software against stable platform,
> building a package and distributing it
> -needs more effort than
> -studying security fixes in upstream, backporting them to
On 15-May-07, 08:27 (CDT), "Mgr. Peter Tuharsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We're going OT, however my experience based on last two Debian releases:
> testing becomes quite "stable in means of usability" somewhere half year
> before it's released as "stable". The sooner before the stable, the
On 14-May-07, 07:55 (CDT), "Mgr. Peter Tuharsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ask somebody, what distro would he install at desktop for novice or M$
> refugee? Why many are choosing Ubuntu instead of Debian, and even worse,
> abandon Debian in favor of Ubuntu?
Why is this worse? Why isn't there
Hi all,
I have several machines (all T60s) at work running Debian/Etch/AMD64
suffering the same problem: when copying large files over network the
system suddenly freezes and is only rebootable via power-off button.
I can reproduce this bug pretty constantly when running pptp but was not
able to
Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There is a downside. If you work on behalf of such an entity, you would
> have to agree to act at their direction, which means acting responsbily
> on their behalf, by not doing stupid stuff that obviously increases the
> corporation's risk of being sued.
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
We're going OT, however my experience based on last two Debian releases:
testing becomes quite "stable in means of usability" somewhere half year
before it's released as "stable". The sooner before the stable, the rapidly
increasing is the chance
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 10:44:05AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> On 14-May-07, 14:40 (CDT), Andreas Fester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was just investigating a bug where the issue seems
> > that no print system is installed
> > (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420746)
> >
Le mardi 15 mai 2007 à 16:28 +0200, Frank Küster a écrit :
> TeX Live is one big thing upstream (one DVD) and has been split for
> Debian packaging into one arch:any and four arch:all source packages
> with numerous binary packages each. Generally, you cannot assume a
> system to work properly whi
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Steve Greenland wrote:
[...]
>> That raised the question: would it make sense to add a
>> virtual package like "print-system" or similar, which
>> is provided by cupsys-client, lpr et al. and which I
>> can suggest or recommend in my package?
>
> Well
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 04:28:39PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> B. texlive-common could declare
> Conflicts:
>But how would that work upon upgrade?
Very, very poorly. Versioned conflicts are advocated against in Policy 7.3,
because the package manager will often find it easier to remove t
Hi,
I maintain uswsusp. It is a package that relies on a binary on the
initramfs that will start the resume process. This binary (and some
other stuff) get installed via an update-initramfs call in the postinst.
On some updates, the new binary that suspends the system is
incompatible with the old
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Programming L
> Hi,
>
> I maintain uswsusp. It is a package that relies on a binary on the
> initramfs that will start the resume process. This binary (and some
> other stuff) get installed via an update-initramfs call in the postinst.
> On some updates, the new binary that suspends the system is
> incompatib
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On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 09:20:00AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> Well, my experience is that rarely do the RFP result in anyone
> stepping up, and as I need the package and did the work already, I saw
> no use in not making it available from the Debian archive.
I'll maintain powertop if you'
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 14:55 +0200, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
> Ask somebody, what distro would he install at desktop for novice or
> M$ refugee?
For me the choice is clear. I use Debian for myself. I choose to support
Ubuntu for people that do not want as many choices. This is what M$
refugees t
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On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 21:43 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2007, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
>
> > We're going OT, however my experience based on last two Debian
> releases:
> > testing becomes quite "stable in means of usability" somewhere half
> year
> > before it's released as "s
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 01:14:01PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 12:20:22PM -0400, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote:
> > Yes, but in reality what is the likelihood that either a security update
> > or NMU would introduce an incompatible change? I would say that such a
> > possib
also sprach Tim Dijkstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.05.15.2201 +0200]:
> Now what do people think is the best option? (And why?)
I use -k all in mdadm already. I could not find any reasons why that
would not be a good idea.
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i'd appreciate if you post such questions to the corresponding
development mailing list which is debian-kernel for initramfs
questions.
thanks
> Current pratice is to only call `update-initramfs -u', that is, to only
> update the most recent initramfs. This however will break older
> initramfses
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 15:54, maximilian attems wrote:
> afaik uswsusp does not support full > 2.6.15 range,
> so better stay on the safe side.
What about > 2.6.18? I am not sure Debian should be that worried about kernels
before the one that shipped with the last stable.
wt
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Le Tue, May 15, 2007 at 05:50:50PM -0400, Greg Folkert a écrit :
> > f, Usability problems, wishes and bugs should get fixed too. I should
> > be able to report a problem, participate on it's solution and see
> > fruits of that.
>
> Have you even looked at Debian's BTS? Unless your patch or bug is
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 09:41:17AM +0200, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
> The kernel, the X.org
So are you volunteering to join the kernel and XSF teams to make this
happen?
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On Wednesday 16 May 2007 01:11, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Maybe at each point release, the release notes could be
> updated on the basis of these messages. Things like "emacs21 does not
> have full unicode support, but you can display chinese characters if
> you install the mule-ucs package." for ins
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Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
where to find available RC bugs:
http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&ignnew=on&new=5
I'm just curious - the "ignore=sid" part means exclude bugs that only
affect sid, correct? Which means bugs which affect lenny but are
already fixed in sid are still
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> Well, the ~ character is stated to be evaluated to be less than the
> empty string. If a package is the target of a security upload in
> stable, you can be certain that the testing/unstable version will also
> increase when the new package is introduced to fix the prob
David Claughton wrote:
> Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
>
>> where to find available RC bugs:
>> http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&ignnew=on&new=5
>
> I'm just curious - the "ignore=sid" part means exclude bugs that only
> affect sid, correct? Which means bugs which affect lenny but
Hi,
as a QA effort the whole archive was rebuilt yesterday to catch
build-failures, whether a package can be build twice in a row (unpack,
build, clean, build). We found about 400 packages not having a sane
clean target.
To cite
http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrule
Raphael Hertzog wrote / napísal(a):
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
Yes, bugs are unavoidable. However, testing is often in situation "whole
system broken" or "nearly useless". I see difference here; occassional
bug in desktop app is acceptable. Whole system unreliable is not a
Steve Greenland wrote / napísal(a):
On 14-May-07, 07:55 (CDT), "Mgr. Peter Tuharsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ask somebody, what distro would he install at desktop for novice or M$
refugee? Why many are choosing Ubuntu instead of Debian, and even worse,
abandon Debian in favor of Ubuntu?
W
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