Well, I checked out Enlightenment as a friend of mine also uses this. I installed the RPM, but how do I log into it? I guess I'll have to do some more reading :)
Thanks for the replies Joe On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 14:06, nate wrote: > Joe Giles said: > > List, > > I have been using Linux for a while, and I have used Gnome and KDE > > primarily. I wish to now broaden my horizons and try a different > > Desktop. Is there other desktops besides Gnome and KDE. I read about > > Window managers, but is this the same thing? Once I install it, will they > > come up in my Log in window as an option to log into like Gnome and KDE? > > Can I run apps that normally run on KDE and Gnome, like Evolution and > > GKRellm? > > > > I've been using afterstep for the past 3 years or so. I started with > fvwm95 back in '96 then moved to KDE when it first hit beta back in > maybe 97 or 98, then switched to afterstep after that. KDE and GNOME > include window managers but they are much more then that. They are considered > desktop enviornemnts, and there are a couple other desktop enviornments > available. CDE is a commonly used one in the commercial UNIX world(as far > as I know its not free, you would have to get it from a company like Xinside), > it's not that great though. Desktop enviornments provide a more complete > user experience which generally includes common interfaces between apps > (coded for the particular enviornment), built in tools such as a file manager, > desktop(icons on desktop and stuff), configuration tools for the > enviornment and a lot more. Many window managers don't have the fancy > bells and whistles. Configuration is usually done by hand(in config files), > and they don't usually include many(if any) other applications. > > Windowmaker is a very popular window manager, Enlightenment is too. > afterstep is not as popular(one reason why I chose it back in the day is > because not many used it). Windowmaker looks a lot like afterstep and > behaves much like afterste. I believe it is also more flexible and more > actively maintained. > > If you add a new window manager, you probably have to configure your > display manager(GDM, KDM etc) to show an option to load it. You can > visit this page: > > http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ > > to find more info about desktop enviornments and window managers, I'm > suprised it's still up, I last used it 3-4-5 years ago. > > I have gotten very used to afterstep and probably won't change again for > the foreseeable future. Many of the features may be integrated into > other window managers as well, but in some cases they don't behave the > same way. > > - activate on mouse over (but do NOT raise the application to foreground) > - drag windows between virtual desktops(my desktop at work had 30 virtual > desktops, my desktop at home has about 10) > - window shading > - 2 clicks to generate a screenshot or a windowshot > - 2 clicks to kill any X application > - able to move apps out of the way, even if it means placing them halfway > inbetween 2 desktops > - fast > - lightweight > - stable(I've never had it crash, ever) > - left click on desktop to get the "start" menu > - right click on desktop to get a list of running apps(click on the app and > it switches to it) > - customizable virtual desktops(you can have virtual desktops in "groups", I > prefer 1 large virtual desktop, you can arrange them in many different orders) > - fun dock apps to play with(though I rarely use them anymore people are > always facinated it seems by the dock apps I have running with the various > meters and flashing lights) > > many people I talk to don't like or need the above features. It's funny > though, people don't realize they need something until they have it. I had > no need to do most of the above 5 years ago, but now I find it frustrating to > use systems that don't have it(or don't have it configured). > > it's a simple window manager, no bells and whistles. and even further I am > not running the current version, I am running the same one I was running more > then 2 years ago(1.6). Because the newer version changed some behaviors that > I liked in the older one, so I recompiled and stuck to the older one. It's > a self contained application unlike a desktop enviornment, and can co-exist > peacefully(nothing else depends upon it, and it doesn't depend on anything > special either). If you were for some reason wanting to run KDE 1 you may > have some trouble getting it to co-exist with the rest of the system(probably > not impossible, but not nearly as easy as with a simple windowmanger). > > currently my desktop is quite bare, its 1600x1200 and if there is no app > on the screen the only thing visible is the wallpaper and a little 1"x1" clock > in the lower right corner(the dock spends most of it's time collapsed). > sometimes I even remove the wharf/dock entirely. a screenshot of my desktop > that I took a year ago(1200x1024): > > http://portal.aphroland.org/images/x-desktop-screenshot-05-09-2001.jpg > > shows one of my more active sessions. I had 30 virtual desktops since > the machine was so stable(at it's peak uptime of 385 days, till a 3 > hour power outage killed the UPS battery). So I stayed logged in for > long periods of time(xlock had a timeout of 1 minute). > > tuning a window manager is not a fast and easy task, it took me > several hours over the years tweaking afterstep to the way I like. > > > nate > > -- --------------------------------------------------- Joe Giles [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: MCIGiles ------- Registered Linux User #264910 http://counter.li.org ------- -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
