I have no confirmed this; the answer from CIRA was:
No Penalty.
So, rest assured and advise your clients to do so. In answer to the
inevitable:
"Well, why do the messages say that then?"
I suggest that even CIRA cannot keep up with the damage recovery pace forced
by their processes. :)
Thanks,
Ken
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ken Joy
> Sent: November 20, 2000 2:35 PM
> To: Chuck Hatcher; Erik Aronesty
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: register.com in violation of icann policies
>
>
> It sounds like it's their policy if you go for their free DNS service; do
> you?
>
> Ken
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Hatcher
> > Sent: November 20, 2000 2:23 PM
> > To: Erik Aronesty
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: register.com in violation of icann policies
> >
> >
> > That has not been my experience with register.com. In fact, I
> > just queried
> > register.com's name servers for a domain name for which I changed name
> > servers several weeks ago, and they still resolve addresses (no
> longer the
> > right ones) for the domain.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Erik Aronesty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Chuck Hatcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 2:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: register.com in violation of icann policies
> >
> >
> > Seems simple but this doesn't work, we've tried it.
> >
> > 1- As soon as you attempt to change the nameservers, register.com
> > drops your
> > DNS.
> >
> > 2- You are then down for 7-24 hours waiting for register.com to
> update the
> > root servers.
> >
> > - Erik
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chuck Hatcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Erik Aronesty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 2:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: register.com in violation of icann policies
> >
> >
> > > There is no downtime.
> > >
> > > Change your nameservers while the registration is still at
> register.com.
> > > (Make sure you have the name servers set up and tested before
> > doing this.)
> > > Wait until the new nameservers are in the zone files, and are
> receiving
> > > queries for the domains in question. Then change registrars.
> The name
> > > servers do not change when the domain name is transferred to the new
> > > registrar. (But there is nothing to prevent the losing registrar from
> > > deleting the lost domain names from their name servers and
> > other services.
> > > Just make sure you aren't still using their services when you leave!)
> > >
> > > No problem.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Erik Aronesty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: register.com in violation of icann policies
> > >
> > >
> > > This solution would be OK if downtime was an acceptable option. But
> > global
> > > downtime is not an option in today's marketplace.
> > >
> > > a) TTL does nothing for new users - we sign up 500 new
> > users each day.
> > >
> > > b) our ASP services provide a 99.5% uptime guarantee
> > >
> > > c) downtime of 24 hours could cost our firm hundreds of
> thousands of
> > > dollars in refunds
> > >
> > > d) we can't afford to damage our firms reputation as a reliable
> > provider
> > >
> > > We maintain 8 servers in 3 countries on this domain name - just
> > to ensure
> > > 24x7 uptime on the web site.
> > >
> > > Also, I can't believe that even 7 hours of downtime is
> > "acceptable" to the
> > > policymakers at ICANN.
> > >
> > > - Erik
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Erik Aronesty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: register.com in violation of icann policies
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Erik,
> > > >
> > > > From the looks of it, any course you persue will have some
> > downtime.
> > > > But it needen't be weeks.
> > > > You need to do some forward planning here. I assume the
> IP's that
> > you
> > > > have will not change, only where the dns info is coming from.
> > > >
> > > > So here's what you do:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Setup DNS somewhere else.
> > > > 2) Add all your domains to that dns & test.
> > > > 3) Do a dns transfer for all your domains. NOT a domain transfer.
> > Here's
> > > > why. A dns change takes about 7 hours to get propogated through the
> > root
> > > > servers. While a transfer can take over a week, during which time
> > > > register.com WILL hose your DNS.
> > > > 4) Once dns has switched over, do a domain transfer.
> > > >
> > > > IF the IP's are the same, you should experience no down-time at all,
> > > > especially if the TTL is set to high enough. Though register.com
> > probably
> > > > has a low ttl, in which case your downtime at most will be a
> > few hours.
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > > >
> > > > Erik Aronesty writes:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear OpenSRS,
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to change to OpenSRS for all my domains - but Register.Com
> > > > > has threatened to shut us down if we initiate the
> request. I sent a
> > > > > message to ICANN, but they ignored it.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have our DNS on their servers, and Register.com will
> > > > > immediately terminate our DNS services if
> > > > >
> > > > > a) you attempt to initiate a change of registrars or
> > > > > b) you attempt to initiate a change of DNS providers
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't see any way we can change to OpenSRS without all of
> > our sites
> > > > > (about 200 of them) going down for weeks while the
> transfer is going
> > on.
> > > > >
> > > > > ICANN should, have a clear, specific policy requiring that the
> > registrar
> > > > > "unbundle" all secondary domain services during a transfer.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Erik
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. See the message below to the ICANN people
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Erik Aronesty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2000 11:01 AM
> > > > > Subject: register.com's dns policies
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'd like to bring your attention to the abusive
> policies of one of
> > the
> > > > > > largest registrars, register.com.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Register.com engages in a technically insidious practice
> > designed to
> > > > > > frighten people into keeping their domains at
> register.com. They
> > have
> > > > > been
> > > > > > secretly violating their ICANN agreement (sections II.D.1.b and
> > > II.D.2.v).
> > > > > > The fact that nothing has been done about this seems to
> imply that
> > > wither
> > > > > a)
> > > > > > ICANN does not have the resources to track industry
> > practice of its
> > > > > largest
> > > > > > registrars, or b) ICANN is not serious about
> > competitiveness in the
> > > > > > industry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ** Register.Com shuts your domain name down for weeks if
> > you try to
> > > change
> > > > > > away from them**
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here's how they do this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Register.com offers free DNS services to people who
> register their
> > > domains
> > > > > > with them. 90% of their substantial customer base take
> > advantage of
> > > this
> > > > > > service. This seems harmless at first.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What they do NOT tell you as part of your registration
> > agreement (or
> > > > > > anywhere in print), is that Register.com will immediately
> > terminate
> > > your
> > > > > DNS
> > > > > > services if
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a) you attempt to initiate a change of registrars or
> > > > > > b) you attempt to initiate a change of DNS providers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Register.Com supervisors have told us that they will not
> > assist us,
> > > even
> > > > > if
> > > > > > we pay them extra to keep our services online during a transfer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This policy has simply and effectively has prevented us from
> > changing
> > > > > > registrars (at a savings of about $1000), and I felt that
> > ICANN was
> > > the
> > > > > only
> > > > > > place we could turn to for help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please let me know what can be done.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Erik Aronesty
> > > > > > President
> > > > > > Prime Data Corp.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Alexey Zilber
> > > > DAYAK
> > > > Need to register or transfer a domain?
> > > > www.dayak.com charges only $15/year.
> > > > 40 megs of hosting space? $10!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
