I would just like to respond to one point (and related) as the rest was pretty covered by Ivan.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <ase...@kde.org> wrote: > > Then again - you have Ubuntu (changing every 6 months), OS X and I > don’t > > > > know what else....and using an animal (weird ones in Ubuntu's case) works > > > good for all their purposes (including business)? > > > > Running a $20 million loss on 60 million in revenue after 10 years (none > of which has been profitable) is not a business success. That may not be > Canonical’s goal, though, so I don’t personally judge them by that. > Yes, they are at loss. And yet they are still one of the most popular Linux distros. Same goes for OS X which uses both version AND a codename (like 11.1 Mountain Lion -- completely made up, I don't follow their versions). So just pointing to a recent bad news for Canonical does not actually make the point irrelevant - they are still among the top even with their crazy saucy names. And OS X is still very liked I hear, despite their shortcomings in many ways. The reason I liked “elegance” and “progressive technology you can rely on” > as themes to reach for is that they are timeless and universal without much > specific definition (they are plastic terms). It also don’t have a personal > stamp on them: elegance can be contextualized to the team of the day and to > any number of audiences. Elegance is a timeless concept. > It's nice to hear and all, but so far the marine theme is just one proposal. I mean, you keep iterating other concepts, but please, try extending them a bit to a real form (and I mean it, maybe we'll get at something better) and not just stating them for the sake of it. > > Or is there any evidence it's actually hurting them in some way? > > > > I think someone else in the thread already noted that the animal naming + > the dates was confusing within their community communication. I don’t have > personal experience with that, so can’t say. > > > > Personally, I would not be looking to a chronically unprofitable company > who publicly promoted a losing revision control system (bzr rather than > git), advocated an impossible development cycle which they no longer even > follow for their own devel (which for better or worse KDE adopted, though > that seems to be coming to an end), failed very publicly at crowdfunding a > device, is busy publicly forking the Linux desktop space to much jeering, > has bet their desktop future by basically mimicking what Plasma started 6 > years ago (from choice in UI toolkit to ‘big picture’ device goals) and is > generally seen as one of the more divisive entities in Free software for > the last couple of years as a role model for public positioning. > Sure, they may be unprofitable, but again - it's one of the most popular distros out there, no matter how much personally we hate it (and I have some grieves against Canonical too) and laugh at them, that's actually even inappropriate. The fact still remains - Ubuntu releases are named after animals and they are still successful in terms of being very popular (whatever their revenue is). It's as simple as that. Cheers -- Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer
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