I say WR's anecdotes are worthless BS if he cant explain why I was and am able to see and caputure ugly bokeh with this specific lens as I posted in the beginning of the thread. Lenses with good bokeh dont do that under any circumstances, lenses with bad bokeh it is possible to get nice results under SOME circumstances but you wouldnt get ANY examples of bad bokeh like I see and can get/ capture. These stories of bad image processing causing my bad bokeh with this specific lens are not only untrue, I dont even think it would be possible to screw up good bokeh with normal image processing if that's his contined contention. jco
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:32 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: M85mm f2.0 bokeh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom C" Subject: RE: M85mm f2.0 bokeh > Bill, > > Because bokeh is determined by both lens characteristics and the focus > distance/out of focus distance of the items in the frame, what was > your focus distance from the subject? Hi Tom, I was really close to minimum focusing distance, about 3 feet from the wind chime, the background lattice was perhaps 12 feet away. I must say that in some respects I am sorry I got caught up in the 77mm lens for so long, I totally forgot how beautiful and smooth the M85 is for bokeh. I've done several thousand portraits with the M85/2 over the years, and have never been dissapointed by it. If I have time this weekend, I think I will do a direct comparison between the bokeh/rendering characteristics of the A85/1.4, M85/2, DA70/2.4 and the FA77/1.8. I'm betting the M85 will stand up very well against the other three lenses. William Robb William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

