Well, what's pleasing bokeh and what's not is subject to the to the eye of 
the beholder, just like beauty. That said, the rendering of out of focus 
(OOF as I call it) areas of an image are affected by the shape of the 
aperture (or iris) and the distribution of light in the OOF cone. When OOF, 
each point of light is rendered as an image made up of areas shaped the same 
as the iris. This is not usually discerned in photos without point sources 
of light, but can be readily seen in if looking at an OOF star or distant 
street lamp. The effects of light distribution in the OOF cone, whether 
concentrated at the edge or the center of the OOF film plane can have marked 
effects in lines in the OOF area of the photo. If the light is concentrated 
more at the edge of the OOF area of the cone, you get a smoother rendition 
of the OOF areas in photos taken with mirror lenses, that is, edges will 
appear to double. If the light is concentrated more toward the center of the 
OOF area of the cone, then the OOF areas are milky smooth.

I prefer the SMC Pentax (K) 85/1.8 as the bokeh appears smooth to me, and it 
doesn't scare small children like it's heaver, somewhat faster, and (IMO) 
smoother bookeh(ed) SMC PENTAX-A* 85:1.4.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>I say WR's anecdotes are worthless BS
> if he cant explain why I was and am able to
> see and caputure ugly bokeh with
> this specific lens as I posted
> in the beginning of the thread.
> Lenses with good bokeh dont do
> that under any circumstances, lenses
> with bad bokeh it is possible to get
> nice results under SOME circumstances
> but you wouldnt get ANY examples of
> bad bokeh like I see and can get/
> capture. These stories of bad
> image processing causing my bad
> bokeh with this specific lens
> are not only untrue, I dont
> even think it would be possible
> to screw up good bokeh with normal
> image processing if that's his
> contined contention.
> jco


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