Please ignore my lack of knowledge if I am not correct or simplify too much.
As far as I know kayak is a tool to setup OmniOS. I do not use. I
download either the OI or OmniOS installer, create a bootable dvd or USB
stick from it and install the OS. When I use the OI text installer the
result is quite identical to a OmniOS default setup.
What would happen if
- you use a current OI text setup with the default current OmniOS stable
repository instead the OI repository
(update this every 6 months to next OmniOS repo on next regular OI iso
or via an OI update)
After this OmniOS and OI should be quite identical even after a pkg update
- add the OmniOS extra repository with some server related packages (I
mostly use smartmontools, nc and minIO)
this gives all tools that are supported by OmniOS (update every 6 months
to next stable)
- add the OI repository (that contains all OI packages minus the ones
from OmniOS default and extra)
- then install tools like Mate GUI, browser or Office
would this work and gives you the current OI user experience on top of a
stable OmniOS base?
Gea
Am 07.01.2021 um 20:53 schrieb Till Wegmueller:
So, to that question a bit of Background. OmniOS is more than just
illumos and omni repo. It's also kayak and all their Projects. That is
a huge amount of projects.
There was work to allow installation of omnios illumos-gate instead of
illumos-gate by simply switching packages. That can work, because we
have consolidations and metapackages that bundle illumos-gate into one
tree of packages where everything depends on.
This work was started by Jim Klimov and me on the last FOSDEM but due
to lack of experience with oi-userland and make it never went anywhere.
It's in PR https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/pull/5528
If anyobody is actually interested in picking it up.
And a last not on illumos-gate and stability. Originally the patches
omnios included into it's for of illumos-gate where still considered
experimental/not yet ready to upstream.
Now we see people saying those experimental patches are more stable
than the illumos-gate with stability guarantee in master. If anything
is broken from illumos-gate it gets fixed very quickly. The problem
all complaints are about packages from oi-userland not illumos-gate.
-Till
On 07.01.21 14:29, Guenther Alka wrote:
I forgot
What is the problem to install either pure Illumos or a Illumos
freeze from OmniOS and use the OI repository additional to the core
OmniOS and OmniOS extra repository to use the additional options?
Where are the problems? Is this only to have same packages in
different repositories or that OI would need something similar to the
OmniOS extra repository when using Illumos to avoid conflicts? Maybe
this can be solved to allow a underlying pure ongoing Illumos or one
of the three OmniOS flavours.
Please educate me.
Gea
Am 07.01.2021 um 18:08 schrieb Guenther Alka:
Not broken as it never worked
(multi purpose Illumos Unix with a stable/long term stable/newest
beta base).
OI currently: always and only newest beta based
so Yes: (maybe easy to say as I cannot help to do the needed work -
unsure about the needed efforts)
When I remember the first steps of OpenIndiana, the lack of a stable
was a constant item on all meetings.
When OmniOS started they first tried to use OpenIndiana as base what
was more or less OpenSolaris at that time with too many
dependencies. Then Illumos started as a minimalistic OS based on
OpenSolaris and OmniOS used this as base. Now as OI is pure Illumos
as base and OmniOS is more or less pure Illumos freezed in a fork
per release there is no real reason to have two bases and two
software repositories for different use cases with the problem for
OI that the underlying Illumos can change from day to day.
Gea
Am 07.01.2021 um 17:24 schrieb Chris:
On 2021-01-07 06:02, Kalle Anka via openindiana-discuss wrote:
Well spoken,, Gea! I am in favour of consolidating the
OpenSolarish community. If
merging would reinvogarate interest and momentum, it can be worth
it. And you guys
have been discussing this merging for ages, it is your old idea
taken up again. It
seems that several of you think this is the only way forward, in
the long run.
This is what we want to do. Base a desktop package ontop OmniOS
stable (or LTS). I
am interested in helping such an effort.
Some people say yay, some say nay. Should we create a poll, to see
how large the
interest is?
I vote: NAY.
There is no need to fix what is not broken.
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