Much appreciated. On Mon, Feb 17, 2025, 10:49 PM Csaba Toth <[email protected]> wrote:
> I currently have a work MacBook, but if it's up to me I would not buy on > my own ever, until: > * Apple won't have egregious extra price just for the brand > * more importantly: Apple ecosystem won't be a WALLED GARDEN > * Apple won't be the worst hardware in terms of repairability > > Multiple people mentioned how reliable or well built they are. Well, > unfortunately that's a very small sample set. Everything is hunky and dory > until one day something goes wrong. > Apple device repair is a joke, you are getting ripped off just like during > the purchase. > > Apple leads about making changes against repairability and usually other > stupid manufacturers follow suit. For example headphone jack or SD card > extension removal (claimed to be for waterproofness, bullshit!), glueing in > the battery to make it even harder to replace it even though it's already > quite hard. And then stupid Android manufacturers follow these practices > like sheep. > > One of the latest things which freaks me out is that the modern generation > MacBook not only has the CPU and memory soldered. But they solder in the > freakin SSD! WTF! In any case you have a problem, you have to replace the > whole motherboard, which essentially means complete device replacement. > Unbelievable. > > Please watch old videos of Louis Rossmann, who owned a repair shop > specialized in Apple products. He catalogued hundreds (!) of common flaws. > Real major ones usually Apple resists to admit, uses dirty tactics to evade > and provide warranty. > He essentially spoke against his own business, because the more people he > taught repairing Apple products, the less business he potentially gets in > the global sense, however he ethically was upset by what he saw every day. > Make no mistake: many times certified Apple repair shops sent devices to > him until they screwed up. Oftentimes certified repair could mean shipping > your phone to some central repair facility, in which case there's a chance > you lose your data. Apple for many decades led a guerilla warfare against > 3rd party repair shops, uch as blackmailing Chinese manufacturers of unique > chips used to not resell them anywhere else, making certain odd repairs > completely impossible. The list goes on and on. > > Apple makes sure that some second hand devices are destroyed and won't be > reused, inflating the electric waste. > > Repairability and reuse is more important than you think. > > Please do not buy Apple products until they change their ways. > Note that their repair program is debunked by many YouTubers: the machines > the 3rd party repair shops would have to buy are too pricey and they were > able to perform only limited types of repairs none of which are profitable. > I didn't even mention that participating 3rd party shops would need to > send extensive information about the APple owner clients to the mothership. > That's very interesting because Apple lives in many people's heads as the > white protector knight of privacy and security. Why do they need extensive > privacy data then? > > I can tell personal stories. Don't let the shininess fool you. > Please. > > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 12:04 PM Michael L <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Excellent NLUG input as always. >> >> No she wants a filip phone and "not a computer" for a phone, so not an >> iPhone user. >> >> Thanks to NLUG I met Greg Cooper Cisco network engineer at the first post >> COVID in person meetup and we have our VPN with Tactical RMM set up, so I >> can connect in to her PC and diagnose and address any issue remotely, so I >> myself am perfectly happy to keep making Linux work for every last little >> detail. >> >> Her most recent complaint was she couldn't find a video clip on our >> YouTube channel. I connected in and also couldn't see it, so I did a >> temporary workaround to put the video on her PC another way; turned out a >> simple restart made the video clip appear on YouTube where a browser reload >> didn't .. not on Firefox or Chromium. The complaint before that was remote >> connecting to a DB on Windows 11 that was typically Microsoftly >> unresponsive .. had to simply reboot (relight) the Windows dumpster fire, >> (but she complains thinking Linux is the problem) .. in the end it's just >> hilarious and I just love my job, not sarcastic for once, ever since I >> escaped Microsoft penitentiary. >> >> I don't plan to mention Apple Mac as an alternative. Looking forward to >> March NLUG meetup. >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 10:31 AM Kevin Hart <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> My first thought is, is the computer really a problem or is this a case >>> of a lonely elderly person? She's been trained that a computer problem >>> brings you around or a phone call. Lot of these sorta situations are just >>> that, a Pavlovian response where you always come around for computer >>> problems. Unconsciously she does it because you are 'the good son' type >>> that wants to not have the computer being a problem. >>> >>> After that, yea Macs 'just work' IMHO but also the way they do stuff is >>> different so for an elderly person to learn a whole new way of using their >>> computer can be tough. I switched dad to a Mac in like 2012 and he >>> couldn't be happier up until now where that hardware is no longer supported >>> and that the way he uses Quicken doesn't exist anymore so new hardware and >>> OS would mean yet another way of learning how he does his money is just not >>> acceptable. >>> >>> You can get a MacMini for cheap that would be able to 'solve' her >>> problems. But do take note of what she does cause we still live in a world >>> where not every application has parity from each OS. That would let you >>> lay out fewer dollars to try this. Plus lets you reuse most everything >>> else (tho I do like getting new keyboards and mice since those are touch >>> points that make a computer feel new) and if she has vision issues monitor >>> choice is a real thing to think about. >>> >>> I would also say, how about an iPad? Does she have an iPhone or iPad >>> already? Dad is 99% on his iPad these days and likes it that way. Only >>> using his old iMac for Quicken. You can also set up a keyboard and mouse >>> for an iPad as well which turns it into more or less a Macbook. The touch >>> interface works for a lot of people. But for elderly , a lot of people say >>> iPads (or I guess an android tablet) are the best, being able to use the >>> 'computer' from her favorite chair/couch. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -Kevin >>> >>> "You can't turn a pig into a thoroughbred, >>> but if you spend enough time and money, >>> you sure can make a mighty fast pig" >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 3:44 AM Michael L <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello NLUG, >>>> I have an 82 year old computer hater that (rightfully) complained about >>>> Microsoft Windows every day for 19 years; switched her to Kubuntu LTS when >>>> Win7 ended, thankfully skipping Win10 and she's complained about Linux >>>> almost every day since, even though it works much better than Windows, at >>>> least in my book and I'm the end user engineer that has to listen to all >>>> the complaining and make it work. She's not interested in learning; can't >>>> explain anything to her; can't have one intelligent word, much less >>>> intelligent conversation about the least thing relating to computers. >>>> >>>> I want to ask those of you who use Macs if maybe a $1300 iMac desktop >>>> would work so absolutely perfectly that a computer hater would all of a >>>> sudden be happy? Or if it wouldn't work absolutely perfectly, would it >>>> maybe work hands down at least a little better than any Linux distro? >>>> >>>> I've been able to either promptly fix or promptly find a workaround for >>>> every issue; that is if I'm asked. That's just not good enough; she >>>> doesn't want to even ask; just wants it to work. Hardly ever is it an >>>> issue of Linux not working; rather it's computer pediatrics. >>>> >>>> I switched her from Kubuntu after two years to Ubuntu. I suspect that >>>> RPM distros Fedora or OpenSUSE might have a little edge over the DEB >>>> distros on overall desktop stability, based on my own past experimentation, >>>> so I might give Fedora or OpenSUSE a try. >>>> >>>> Should I even consider a Mac? >>>> >>>> Thanks to NLUG I escaped Microsoft penitentiary. 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