I totally agree with you on this Jean, and this is how I've been moving forward too...
I've already moved a few tasks into the core (tlbimp, tlbexp, asminfo), The tblimp and tlbexp task were moved to NAnt with minor modifications, but the asminfo task was actually a complete rewrite of the task. I do think we should make the NAntContrib binaries more easily accessible, and update them more frequently (nighlty builds). If we get the NAntContrib build and release process optimized, we can even consider them as two separate products ... However we should make it very clear to users which tasks are available as part of the core and which task are considered experimental / not generally useful / not mature enough, and as such, are part of NAntContrib. Streamlining the NAntContrib release process is next on my list, so I hope to get the issue cleared out as soon as possible ... Gert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Rajotte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Obsolescing NAntContrib [was RE: [nant-dev] Re: [Nant-users] 0.8.3 final] > yall, > > i think we can accomplish your requirements w/o making nant-contrib > obsolete. it has it's place as the venue to extend nant. if i can > extend nant for myself, why shouldn't i share my work w/ the community > without "poluting" nant core. > > if there's a whole bunch of nant-contrib tasks that are deemed core, > let's move them there. those tasks that create dependencies to stuff > that isn't common shouldn't be in core -- like, say, if i couldn't > build/test nant because i don't use VSS. > > the real problem, IMHO, is that getting a nant-contrib bin (or source) > doesn't get the matching nant core bin/source. the dependency is > backward in the current offering (no?). also, there should be a way to > auto-unit-test nant-contrib, just like nant. this is about > nant-contributor discipline. also also, nant-contrib could be more > granular, so if i don't want VSS stuff, i should have to get it. > > this does mean some development of nant-contrib infrastructure. i vote > for improving it instead of scrapping it. > > /jean > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 16:03 > > To: Erv Walter; Foley, Cash; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: Obsolescing NAntContrib [was RE: [nant-dev] Re: > > [Nant-users] 0.8.3 final] > > > > > > Erv, > > > > I think what Cash is asking is the same thing I proposed a week or two > > ago: solve the NAntContrib problem by merging the projects > > and obsolescing the contrib project completely. The > > NAntContrib tasks are > > *core* to what most of us use NAnt for anyway! Just move all > > the NAntContrib tasks into the mainline NAnt source before > > streeting 1.0. > > > > I have attempted and failed a couple times to build > > NAntContrib from the sources I downloaded from cvs. There > > are no released files for the project. There have been no > > nightly builds since June 03. There's no traffic on either > > the user or developer lists to speak of; the last post to the > > dev list was July 30. It seems prima facie an abandoned > > project sans-maintainer and with no community or activity. > > > > Some of us would like to help (okay, maybe just me), because > > there are weirdities or bugs (such as in the SQL task's > > verboseness) but it seems pointless to submit patches if > > nobody's listening who cares or can do anything about it. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:nant-users- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erv Walter > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:16 PM > > > To: Foley, Cash; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [nant-dev] Re: [Nant-users] 0.8.3 final > > > > > > All of the NantContrib tasks are included as binaries in the Nant > > 0.8.3 > > > release (look in the .\nant-0.8.3.50105\bin\ subdirectory of the > > release > > > .zip file). > > > > > > Get it here: > > > > > > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/nant/nant-0.8.3.zip?download > > > > > > If you want to build it from scratch or if you want to follow the > > latest > > > CVS versions, you'll have more work to do yourself. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Foley, Cash [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:19 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [nant-dev] Re: [Nant-users] 0.8.3 final > > > > > > > > > Sorry if it is annoying to pursue this NAntcontrib thing > > here. I know > > > this is the NAnt group. But the NAntcontrib mail list > > looks useless. > > > > > > However, there is a relationship between the two even if it > > should be > > > one way (NAntcontrib to NAnt). This relationship is made very clear > > in > > > this thread of messages. In order to round off NAnt for > > "Corporate" > > > use, certain functionality is needed but not seen as > > 'necessary' for > > > NAnt core. SQL, VSS and have been mentioned in this thread and the > > > response is "it's in NAntcontrib". So, the functionality of > > NAntcontrib > > > is recognized for the "corporate" success of NAnt. > > > > > > However, it seems that NAntcontrib is not very assessable. > > (I may be > > > wrong. > > > Someone please prove me wrong!) I can't seem to download > > a ZIP file > > > and > > > just use it the way I can NAnt. While, if I have to, I > > suppose I can > > > decide to make the leap to become CVS junkie and figure out exactly > > what > > > I need to do to download, this seems unnecessary AND > > contrary to the > > > accessibility objectives for the Corporate Target. I feel like I'm > > > having to jump through hoops to use the thing. (And from > > the emails I > > > see, I know it's not just > > > me.) > > > > > > Maybe the objective of getting "Corporate" buyin is more of an > > atherial > > > experience than a real objective. But if NAnt is to become a real > > tool > > > with real buyin in the .Net development community then this > > bridge has > > > to built. > > > > > > Either the necessary components from NAntcontrib should be brought > > into > > > NAnt where it can be properly packaged or the NAntcontrib > > needs to be > > > made more assesible. > > > > > > Thanks, Cash > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > perotsystems > > > 972-577-5842 - office > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ian MacLean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:04 PM > > > To: Foley, Cash > > > Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Re: [Nant-users] 0.8.3 final > > > > > > Sorry no. Binaries for NAntcontrib ship as part of the 0.83 release > > > however. > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > >Is the NAntContrib with 0.83 available for ZIP download? > > > > > > > >The files section is empty > > > > > > > >http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=54790 > > > > > > > >and the "nightly build" is very old. > > > > > > > >http://nantcontrib.sourceforge.net/builds/ > > > > > > > >Thanks, Cash > > > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >perotsystems > > > >972-577-5842 - office > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Ian MacLean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:24 PM > > > >To: Sascha Andres > > > >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Re: [Nant-users] 0.8.3 final > > > > > > > >Sascha Andres wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Yes I've overseen them. Sourcesafe is in NAntcontrib - > > which failed > > to > > > > > > >>build when I tried last time, so I never took a deeper look. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >NAntContrib binaries ship with the 0.83 release. Unless you have to > > be > > > >using the latest cvs version of NAnt they should work fine. > > > > > > > >Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > > > >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > >Welcome to geek heaven. > > > >http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > > >Nant-users mailing list > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Nant-users mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Nant-users mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Nant-users mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/n> ant-users > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Nant-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users > > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Nant-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-users
