On 03/08/11 20:12, Jeremiah Foster wrote:
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:55 PM, David Greaves <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Take a deep breath Jeremiah :)
meh. The ad hominem attacks are irrelevant.
*that* was an attack? It was meant to remind you that we're friends.
This is not a "good" situation but it is managable and may help resolve some
organisational issues wrt MeeGo - silver lining :)
I have no idea what you're now trying to say. Are you saying; "It's okay that I
forked the official apps for MeeGo!" Because forking is generally considered a
Bad Thing.
Just answered on the other thread. A fork generally involves 2 branches....
If we had apps.meego.com and apps.formeego.org then that would be a fork.
Moving apps.meego.com to apps.formeego.org... that's not a fork
On 03/08/11 10:05, Jeremiah Foster wrote:
Yeah, someone else mentioned this is limited to the Linux kernel only. I really
don't understand that approach. Free Software is governed by a license, not by
some arbitrary location in the stack. The point would be to create a free
software app store. Or at least give people the license to and tools create
their own for MeeGo. Or perhaps just let them use the trademark if it works with
MeeGo, but I guess we're going with the Android or iOS approach here.
But if they do not stand up for developers creating apps for GNU/Linux distros,
who will?
Take that up with your congressman/MP/LF representative.
I have to say that I don't expect to see "We volunteer to throw ourselves under
a lawsuit to defend your rights to an OSS App store" anywhere on the LF website.
I'd be interested to know why you think they should do that?
How can the LF be scared of lawsuits? What happened to that giant trove of
patents that IBM donated to Open Source? I'm sorry, I'm not buying it.
No idea. Ask the LF. You do follow sites like Groklaw at least a little bit? You
know that in the US it can costs millions of $ to simply defend a law suite? You
know that's what you're fighting for when you fight against SW patents? So to me
it's blindingly obvious why an organisation would think *very* hard about
exposing themselves to that risk.
Of course, they should also think *very* hard about just what services they can
reasonably offer the community and maybe figure out how to help resolve the
problem they've created.
The question this raises for me is : is LF a suitable host for the MeeGo
community.
If you think that MeeGo is going to somehow magically escape the clutches of the
LF you need to "take a deep breath." They're not even going to provide an rsync
server for the repos: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19745
Again you conflate LF with "the community"
Total red herring Linux != OSS Apps.
Totally not. There is no proprietary code in the GNU userland either.
So... you realise we're talking about something like Maemo Extras? Where random
people upload random source code? Nothing to do with GNU userland (although the
line is blurry which is my personal concern)
There are
also tools that go through GNU/Linux packages regularly looking for stolen code,
things like FOSSology and protec so I think in general the GNU/Linux kernel and
userland are pretty well covered as, at the very least, prior art. I'm sure we
could get permission from one of those company's to use their tools on our app
repos which would go a long way towards indemnifying LF.
Feel free to debate it with them. The point is that it is *THEIR* decision - not
yours. You may think your arguments are sound but their risk assesment may be
different. Once you own LF then you get to make that decision.
Which BTW, is why a non-profit, managed by "the community" may be a better place
for our community services to be hosted.
Is there a distro that you can work on that isn't controlled by the LF? Are
there other Linux distros out there? I've heard of one or two.
The LF are just not communicating.
And yet you've decided to create your own app store with the trademarked term
"MeeGo" in the name!
Yes. See the bug already mentioned. Apparently "formeego.org" is OK. IANAL so I
do not know exactly what logic makes it so. LF have not, so far, responded in
detail.
I will say that if I said "Microsoft Office" and "Libre Office for Microsoft"
then most people would understand that the former is a Microsoft official
product and the latter is intended to run on the Microsoft platform.
David
--
"Don't worry, you'll be fine; I saw it work in a cartoon once..."
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