On 25/02/13 00:57, Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, Sebastian wrote:
Not to mention there is serious doubts the the 3.8.0 release
will be good enough to work properly for all endusers when the
fallback is dropped, so it would need atleast a update to 3.8.x
as a followup later to provide something that actually works,
wich comes back to lack of maintainers...
I don't think Mageia providing GNOME 3.8 with the new classic mode
made using extensions, rather than the old fall back mode, would
cause loads of problems:
http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-classic-not-classic-all/
You are not making sense, those screenshots show that these
gnome-shell extensions can't replace gnome-panel.
I provided that link to give people an idea what the GNOME Classic Mode
was about, who didn't really know anything about it or as such. I think
these are better at explaining about GNOME Classic Mode:
http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2013/01/25/gnome-3-7-at-the-halfway-mark/
http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/a-quick-look-at-new-gnome-classic.html
https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/Features/DropOrFixFallbackMode
http://lwn.net/Articles/526082/
Also, software 3D rendering is slow, you do not want to use it in a VM.
I tried out GNOME Shell in a virtual machine first with Mageia 3 Alpha 3
or whichever milestone version had it working like that first, since
then run in someting later to like that I think, Anyway I was rather
impressed to be able to run it in VirtualBox like that :), oh and this
was on a computer with 1GB RAM. I think I might have tried out like that
on both my desktop and netbook both 1GB RAM, anyway worked well like
that for me :). Oh sure I think it took some time to load up properly
in Virtualbox, but once done WOW :). However of course I wasn't trying
to run Blender or 3D Games or something in the vm as well.
However, we may be able to keep our "GNOME Classic" session using
gnome-panel 3.6.x even with gnome 3.8. This would have to be tested,
though.
I forgot to mention in my original email that maybe both the GNOME 3.6.2
fallback mode and the new GNOME Classic mode could be used in Mageia 3.
Do you even use it?
I have used the fallback mode quite a few times, in Mageia, and even
the Ubuntu 12.10 GNOME Remix, however by choice I tend to run GNOME
Shell, if I am able to on the computer :). As for this new GNOME
classic mode, no I have not used that yet.
Shouldn't we first fix totem, for example? It has 2 menu bars:
"Videos" and "Movie/Edit/...". Then, audio files stop playing after 1
second when "visual effects" are enabled. 5.1 channel audio also
doesn't work right, but the same happens in parole (vlc and mplayer do
proper downmixing).
Personally if I am watching video on the computer it's usualy Flash
video on websites. If I am playing video in a player though, well then
that's what I am doing, I don't really care much about fancy features
when playing video, I just want my video to work picture and audio :).
Also when I do use players I tend not to use Totem, well depends.
Finally, totem can't play WMA files because of ffmpeg 1.1. I have a
fix for that ready (update gstreamer1.0-libav to git HEAD)
Uhmm I thought it coudn't play WMA unless the correct codec is used
since it's a proprietary format?
but maybe I need to worry about gnome 3.8 instead. Such an update at
this time should be done properly: packaged and tested on the
packager's machine first, and only when it all works committed to svn
and uploaded.
Yep that sounds good to me, have it properly done on the packagers
machine first, then have it uploaded, if this update is going to happen.
But even then we will likely find new problems that need to be fixed
before release.
Well possibly/probably sure, but since Mageia 3 is now delayed to May
3rd, that should give QA enough time to test it :).
Christiaan
