Sorry if i made it unclear and worse (core dump! :) ), "The use of ODROID 
binaries is not legal for this platform" . Forgive me.

On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 10:29:11 AM UTC-3, @lex wrote:
>
> i mean "ILLEGAL to use"!
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:08 AM, @lex <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> When i said "the last hope" i meant to get the binaries for the r4p0 from 
>> Allwinners (or perhaps from Cubietech).
>> It is not legally to use it from ODROID.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 7:08:54 AM UTC-3, Siarhei Siamashka wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 05:26:08 -0700 (PDT) 
>>> "@lex" <[email protected]> wrote: 
>>>
>>> > On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 3:09:00 PM UTC-3, Siarhei Siamashka 
>>> wrote: 
>>> > > 
>>> > > On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:13:46 -0700 (PDT) 
>>> > > "@lex" <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: 
>>> > > 
>>> > > > On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 10:51:17 AM UTC-3, Siarhei Siamashka 
>>> wrote: 
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 05:04:33 -0700 (PDT) 
>>> > > > > "@lex" <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: 
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > > On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 8:42:32 AM UTC-3, Henrik 
>>> Nordström 
>>> > > wrote: 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > > ons 2015-03-18 klockan 06:17 -0700 skrev @lex: 
>>> > > > > > > > I have looked into ODROID r4p0 blobs and headers and did 
>>> not 
>>> > > find 
>>> > > > > any 
>>> > > > > > > > EULA, perhaps it is kept with the sources? 
>>> > > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > > http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=4956 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > Thank you all, 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > So, the last hope is what Siarhei Siamashka is suggesting? Any 
>>> > > chance 
>>> > > > > this 
>>> > > > > > will happen? 
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > The "last hope" for what? What kind of *real* problem are you 
>>> trying 
>>> > > to 
>>> > > > > solve? Why would you expect us going "extra mile" in supporting 
>>> every 
>>> > > > > minor proprietary mali blob update? 
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > I have already mentioned in this thread that the r3p0 mali 
>>> driver, 
>>> > > > > which is integrated into the sunxi-3.4 kernel sources, works 
>>> mostly 
>>> > > > > fine (partially thanks to a bunch of workarounds). It is good 
>>> enough 
>>> > > > > for running and/or developing OpenGL ES applications. 
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > Allwinner devices have had a reasonably good OpenGL ES support 
>>> in 
>>> > > > > GNU/Linux via the Mali binary blob for roughly two years already 
>>> > > > > (the installation instructions are available in the linux-sunxi 
>>> wiki). 
>>> > > > > In addition, a relatively popular Raspberry Pi board could have 
>>> been 
>>> > > > > also used to develop OpenGL ES applications just fine. 
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > The intention was to ensure that when the open source Lima 
>>> driver 
>>> > > > > is finally ready, it can run a wide selection of useful OpenGL 
>>> ES 
>>> > > > > applications which were to be developed. 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > Thanks for the answer. 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > I have r3p0 running as it should, and never said it was not good. 
>>> > > > "good enough" is never "good enough" for a developer. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > OK. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > > Yes i could go with Raspberry PI board, better support, better 
>>> > > community, 
>>> > > 
>>> > > Well, this "better support" thing is very much subjective and 
>>> > > stereotypical. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > > etc.. but i prefer ODROID and i have my reasons.. 
>>> > > > Your work is remarkable, indeed. 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > The *real* problem is i want to have linux all the bells and 
>>> whistles 
>>> > > > Android have for this platform, my bad. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > I'm not sure if I'm a big fan of abstract bells and whistles. I very 
>>> > > much prefer practical utility. And I would be happy to have reports 
>>> > > like this: 
>>> > > 
>>> > >     "I'm developing this very cool open source OpenGL ES game (or 
>>> > >     application) and it runs with X FPS using the r3p0 mali drivers, 
>>> > >     but can be improved to Y FPS with the r3p2 mali drivers" 
>>> > > 
>>> > > Instead of 
>>> > > 
>>> > >     "I don't like the version number of your mali drivers. The other 
>>> > >     guys have it bigger, so you really need to catch up" 
>>> > > 
>>> > > > But..but..but why you so upset? I did not want to start a war, was 
>>> just 
>>> > > a 
>>> > > > question. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > I'm not upset. I'm just explaining why I'm not eager to waste my 
>>> time 
>>> > > doing work, which has no clear purpose. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > The ball is basically on the OpenGL ES application developers' side. 
>>> > > Before nitpicking about the drivers, they really need to show their 
>>> > > commitment by contributing something useful to the free software 
>>> > > community. Today the drivers are in a *much* better shape than the 
>>> > > applications. 
>>> > 
>>> > There are some people interested in getting this updated 
>>>
>>> It's not enough to be casually interested in a bigger version number. 
>>> These people should show up in the mailing list and provide more 
>>> convincing reasons. Just see my previous reply. 
>>>
>>> > although this is not a trivial task. 
>>>
>>> The kernel part is reasonably simple. Because, you know, it's fully 
>>> open source. You can have a look at this branch: 
>>>
>>>     https://github.com/ssvb/linux-sunxi/commits/20140116-mali-
>>> r3p2-01rel2 
>>>
>>> It is split into 3 patches to make things clear and maintainable: 
>>>
>>> 1. Just an unmodified copy of the GPL mali kernel driver from ARM 
>>> 2. The sunxi adaptation part (mali hardware resources description and 
>>>    the code for enabling clocks). 
>>> 3. A 2GB bugfix which is needed for the Cubietruck 
>>>
>>> Anyone can do something similar with a newer version of the mali kernel 
>>> driver if the need arises. 
>>>
>>> > Kernel is tuned to server side, and the author has not seen any 
>>> success 
>>> > story yet, as a learning pourpose i will try and see if i can get to 
>>> > somewhere. 
>>> > https://github.com/dan-and/linux-sunxi 
>>>
>>> It is up to dan-and to provide full support for this code and resolve 
>>> any possible mali issues in it. I have nothing to do with it. 
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Best regards, 
>>> Siarhei Siamashka 
>>>
>>
>

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