On 15/06/2011 02:11, florent andré wrote:
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B) Doing releases :
Some express the need of doing release. Con expressed are related to
"legal engagement" of Apache in such release and the necessary oversee
of already really busy mentors.
This misses the original point for not allowing releases. Labs is not
intended to be a way of "routing around" the incubator.
It also misses the point that labs is not supposed to be producing
usable code, it's a place for fast fail experiments. Usable code should
go through incubation.
C) Include non Apache's commiter (let's call them Externals) :
Ant propose this but the answer was "it's not possible" [1] because :
- Externals have to sign a CLA
- Will accept Externals as commiter
Well, this is what is done is no problems during a new incubator
project... Where is the problem here ?
If we make the rules the same as the incubator why have labs at all?
This is supposed to be a simple, no commitment playground for people who
have earned merit. It is *explicitly* not a place for creating new
communities.
Here comes two more personal POV, idea, whatever :
- labs like an idea box :
From my point of view - may be false - actual labs is more a "write
code place" than an express, discussion, grow and develop ideas place.
May a way to write some (visible from labs site) webpages, have a wiki
for idea expression could be good... Some others tools can be imagined.
It's not the incubator, why do we want to make it like the incubator?
Personally I really like the fact there are almost no rules around here.
If I want to do something with my fellow committers I just ask for a lab
and its done (I've never owned a lab, but I have contributed to a couple
and used a couple). If I want to do something with a broader community
then I go to the incubator or offsite. I really don't see the problem.
I don't want to see labs go into the attic but I don't want to see it
gather a whole raft of rules that prevent me people from freely
experimenting the way it is intended.
- "Sponsorship" : I don't know how well express the idea, but will try.
So well, we all know that opensource coding cost time, and - mostly - if
apache project go forward it's because some devs are paid to work on.
Labs, is something more "personal", done on spare time, and so...
motivation is harder to find after a 8+ hour behind a pc doing "for the
boss stuff".
But ideas, piece of code in it could be really interesting for some
company, other projects,...
Saying that, I have no solution, may we could imagine a way of
"Sponsoring" innovative work on labs ?
The ASF does not accept sponsorship for specific projects. This is to
prevent a company having any kind of hold over the project. I don't see
how we can change that. Even if we could how would that increase
motivation? We don't pay for development either?
What you could consider doing is getting your friendly local company to
sponsor an Apache Hackathon or something. ConCom has mechanisms for
facilitating sponsored events. However, this takes a fair amount of
effort, I'm not volunteering but with my ConCom hat on I would support
any proposal like this.
Ross
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