https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=429946

--- Comment #2 from peacecop kalmer: <kal...@test.tennis24.ee> ---
Thanks for a lot of information! However, none of it explains how 
exactly can I make a use of a new layer for my current frames. This is 
also the reason why I think that the manual is too poor. It could be a 
video manual, not a textual one or if it's a textual one, every single 
step should be included. Too many steps are missing. Maybe it's useful 
for experienced users of /krita/ but I'm a first-timer animation trier 
in /krita/ and just can't follow the manual. I can't help with the 
manual neither because of the same reason: I don't know how the software 
works.

On 03.12.20 01:59, Tymond wrote:
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=429946
>
> Tymond <tamtamy.tym...@gmail.com> changed:
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>               Status|REPORTED                    |NEEDSINFO
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> --- Comment #1 from Tymond <tamtamy.tym...@gmail.com> ---
>> However, I can't do these things in "4.4.1" and the new layer doesn't have 
>> the lamp icon and everything I draw on it spans over all the frames.
> A new layer doesn't have a lamp icon by default, you need to make a new frame
> on the layer first.
>
> I guess what you mean by "animation documentation" is this:
> https://docs.krita.org/en/user_manual/animation.html ? I did add a note on top
> of the page that the screenshots might be different but if you carefully read
> text, you should be able to follow the tutorial (but it would be good to know
> if not). However the reference documentation on Animation docker:
> https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/dockers/animation_docker.html and
> more importantly, on Timeline docker:
> https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/dockers/timeline.html is up to 
> date.
>
> And please note that the Timeline docker documentation says (here:
> https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/dockers/timeline.html#usage):
>
> "How to use the Timeline Docker is not immediately obvious because Krita
> doesn’t automatically create a key frame out of your initial drawing. In fact,
> until you make a key frame on a layer, Krita assumes that there’s no animation
> going on at all on that layer and it will keep the image static over the whole
> animation.
>
> So, to make our first animated layer, we need to make a key frame!"
>
> And the animation tutorial also shows that before you make a new frame, there
> is no lamp icon. There is a screenshot of a context menu "New Frame/Copy
> Frame", but the text below says: "Right-click a frame on the timeline to get
> the context menu. Choose `Create Blank Frame`". If you do that, you'll get the
> lamp icon.
>
> I can see it might be confusing until you see that this text addresses the
> exact situation that is on the screenshot above, just the screenshot is a bit
> older so there are less options and they are named differently. I can edit 
> this
> page to make it more clear, or just change that one screenshot.
>
> Can you please see if this new information lets you follow the rest of the
> tutorial?
>
> ---
> And addressing the underlying not-up-to-date issue:
>
> The animation tutorial is outdated and there is no point in updating it right
> now (maybe except for that one screenshot), because on master (in future Krita
> 5.0.0) the animation docker and timeline look very different. All screenshots
> would need to be remade, all text rewritten again soon. Afaik Emmet already
> said that they are finishing up GUI changes and start on updating 
> documentation
> for Krita 5.0.0.
>
> Also the manual is community-sourced as well; most of its content was actually
> written by a then-volunteer, Wolthera, as far as I know. You can help with the
> it too, it's always appreciated. The sources for the manual are here:
> https://invent.kde.org/documentation/docs-krita-org and the manual how to help
> is here: 
> https://docs.krita.org/en/contributors_manual/krita_manual_readme.html
>

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