" One cheater is one too many" regardless if we are talking about ban happy admins. I run css and tf2 servers, in my sourcebans I've got now since 2008 about 16.000 bans. (these are the perm bans) let us say for the sake of arguing, that only 50% is a real cheater. That still leaves 8000 cheaters..
Don't know about you, but that's a lot of havoc in my eyes. Too much, but from the way things are going it will always stay that way sadly. Whenever someone builds a nice anti cheat thing, the other side will just decode it or something and find a way against it. Has always been like that. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Fountain Sent: donderdag 24 oktober 2013 8:37 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass. More toned than not people call someone a cheater simply because they don't understand how they were seen because they didn't see their attacker. If you ask me. Make your own server and ban who you don't want playing. Simple as that then no one can bitch when your servers empty because you're ban happy lol SavSin On Oct 23, 2013 10:48 PM, "Todd Pettit" <[email protected]> wrote: > One cheater is one too many. One cheater with name changer, aimbot and > speed hack can clear out a server in minutes. Most cheaters prefer to > be more subtle and use wallhacks and if you are not using SMAC or > something else than you have no clue how many there are but I can damn > well guarantee you have more than one. I thought the same thing till I > installed SMAC. I suspected a few players but I caught hundreds within > days. If you aren't checking for cheaters you have cheaters and any cheaters is too many. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dan" <[email protected]> > To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" < > [email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:06:12 AM > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Family Sharing Ban Bypass. > > On 21/10/2013 16:46, 1nsane wrote: > > It did happen. There was a noticeable increase in hackers, > > especially on servers that don't have admins on all the time. Such as valve's own. > > Valve's EU servers are certainly not havens for cheaters ime. > > There are a few cheaters but it's a tiny percentage. > > It's not even one cheater per server. If it was then I wouldn't be > able play the game (i.e if a cheater joins I find another server. But > if every server had just one cheater on it then I couldn't do that - > there'd be literally nowhere to play) > > And that has never happened. I've never had to search for a server > that didn't have a cheater on it. > I've never even done something like jump to 3 or 4 different servers > because they've all had cheaters on. Most days I don't see any. > > So, if we focus on 24 man servers for a second we can conclude the > number of cheaters on 24 man servers is probably less than 1/24 of the > player base - and I would argue significantly less than that. > > See, I don't think people care about it that much. In most activities > people generally want to get better at it. You see a group of guitar > players or pianists and they want to get better. People that draw > pictures usually do it to get better at it. Gamers, in general, are > not interested in getting better. They crave mediocrity. > > If you're below mediocre, to them "you're a noob" but if you're better > than average they'll hate you for it. > > Why would anyone with that mindset cheat? And it's the mindset, I'd > say, of at least 90% of the TF2 pub community. They are happy being > crap at the game and will often say things to that extent like "I only > play for fun" or "No one's interested in capping the point / capturing > the intel / what the score is" > > They want roughly to be on par with the other players. They want to > blame the weapon / class / lag for every death and they want everyone > to crave the same level of mediocrity they have reached and then > stopped at once they reached it. > > As a few of you have noted cheating is cheap (it's always been cheap, > it's just cheaper now) and it's trivial and easy to do (to the point > where calling it hacking seems ridiculous. > That would make someone who flushes the toilet after having a dump a > hydro engineer or something) > > Yet, self-evidently, few choose to do it. Indeed, you want this > feature because you want to ban what is effectively the same guy > creating lots of accounts for himself. > That in itself suggests that cheating is not rife. > > Because if lots of people cheated then it wouldn't matter if you could > stop one person from creating numerous accounts or not. It would be > like banning a bad driver from the roads. Which makes no real > difference because there are literally millions of incompetent drivers > and more join the roads every year. > > If there was a high percentage of cheaters you may as well just switch > all the servers off (of course, at that stage, if you really do have > tens of thousands of cheaters you have to ask questions about the > game, why people don't want to play it to get better at it, but more > importantly why they care about pretending to be good at it which is, > as I've said, certainly not the case for the vast majority of > TF2 players) > > That said, maybe I'm lucky. My current stats say I've played 92 hours > in the last > 2 weeks, of which around half are TF2 (it's usually more than half but > with family sharing I've been playing a bunch of other games) so I > play a lot but I still only experience a small percentage of servers. > > As I said some of you may be attracting people who want to grief and > cheat or wind you up specifically but I can't imagine how such an > erudite and polite group of people could have upset anybody, can you? > So that can't be it. > > I think perhaps it's partly cultural too. Especially the griefing thing. > > As for child predators?!?! I can't see how that works. TF2 doesn't > have any way of talking to one person on the server does it? Steam > does I suppose but game bans won't really help. Do Americans really > join TF2 servers and broadcast in chat or over the mic "Hey, anyone > want to see some puppies?" > > -- > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
