On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 at 15:06, Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> wrote: > > Hi, > The graduation discussion for Apache Training (Incubating) has raised some > concerns, but I believe those have been addressed effectively.
How come the proposed PMC includes someone that is not part of the project? I know its normal for people to just be added when the PPMC is being formed - but after that AIUI the project is supposed to operate as a normal project - with people being voted in as committers & PPMC members. Just adding someone to the graduation resolution without any vote to make them part of the project is unusual in the extreme. I did raise this in the discussion but you chose to ignore that and not address it. > I would now like to call for a vote on whether Apache Training (Incubating) > should graduate to Top-Level Project status. > > Apache Training entered the Apache Incubator in February 2019 and has since > created over 20 training materials. While the project is relatively small, it > has a committed core group focused on its continued growth. Apache Training > has also been exploring new projects, such as the development of official ASF > digital badges. In terms of community the project has shrunk in 6 years - not grown - it started with 13 PPMC members and now its down to 5 proposed PMC members. One of those is not part of the project, one initially declined to be on the PMC, but then agreed to stay on to bolster the numbers - so in reality you have a 3 man project after 6 years of incubation. I think there should be real concern about the sustainability of Apache Training because to me it has the profile (community wise) of a project on a trajectory towards the Attic rather than one that is vibrant and growing. > The project has made releases, though this is not its primary focus, and has > contributed by creating slide templates for multiple ApacheCon and Code of > Conduct events. It has also hosted and developed training material for > numerous ASF projects. > > Many of those involved in the project are ASF members, directors, or former > directors who have a deep understanding of ASF principles. This makes it even stranger that someone is just put on the proposed graduation resolution without them being added to the PPMC through the normal process. How does that demonstrate a "deep understanding of ASF principles"? Niall > > So it's time to vote! > > Voting: > [ ] +1 Graduate as Top-Level Project > [ ] +0 No opinion > [ ] -1 Do not graduate (provide rationale) > > Kind Regards, > Justin > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
