Justin, thank you for your answer very much. Let me share my thoughts. As I remember, there were several non-active DataLab PMC members. The matter was discussed, and then, a vote took place:
Discussion link: https://lists.apache.org/thread/gntmfv7vc9jqp55fsqmh66mc2lxtvg0g Vote link: https://lists.apache.org/thread/7lptwhfg92t6tjvx2798m7mkxpyjc4cx For now, Apache DataLab is not as a TLP, it‘s still a podling. And we followed the process "Projects can establish their own policy on handling inactive members, as long as they apply it consistently. It is not a problem to retain members of the PMC who have become inactive, and it can make it easier for them to stay in touch with the project if they choose to become active again." which is described in the link: https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#pmc-removal However, it seems that we may have made a mistake and must reach out the board for removal. Your guidance would be greatly appreciated. I'm wondering if our product has a chance of successfully graduating, as there have been mixed thoughts about it, including the idea of retirement in this email thread? Justin, I really appreciate your expertise in the graduation process. It would be great if you help us identify any other gaps in our graduation process, apart from the two points you have mentioned: 1. Removing PPMC members 2. Clear discussion who is going to develop and maintain the product in the future. Thank you for your assistance. Best regards, Vira Vitanska On 2023/06/10 00:00:02 Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > Based on concerns from this thread: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/wq3l6y4l4wwl6ngt91ycxll96p62n5g3 (point > > number 4) > > our Apache Datalab community organized vote in private list for removing > > non-active PMC members. > > No one from the list of non-active PMC members has reached out to our > > community to object to their removal using private lists or other channels. > > Link to voting thread: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/246wmd54vn851lyjcpzrpodlgmrgtpor > > I think we have not broken ASF policy. Please correct me if I am mistaken. > > In general, you shouldn’t remove anyone from the PPMC unless they request it. > A top level project can’t remove PMC members at all at; only the board can do > that. What is stranger here is you’ve only removed one inactive PPMC member > and kept the other inactive PPMC members in the roster. I can’t find any > discussion on your mailing list about deciding what to do here, only a single > VOTE. Can you see what would look odd to someone outside your project? > > Ideally, I would have expected that the PMC composition be discussed in your > mailing list, and people asked if they wanted to continue to be a part of the > project. There would be no reason to remove anyone from the PPMC just that > the proposed PMC list be a subset of the current PPMC. I would expect > documented reasons for including anyone who was inactive. > > > Kind Regards, > Justin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
