+1. I get asked to mentor projects too, but have this restriction of not being able to join the IPMC
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 3:13 PM, Sheng Wu <wush...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi Justin > > Very interesting proposal. And I like it, also willing to request for that > :) > > From my experience, several projects have invited me or involved me in, > such as Zipkin(Incubating) and IoTDB(In Incubator discussion). But because > I can't be podling project mentor, based on Apache member rule you > mentioned, I just show up as a contributor. If I could be the mentor for > these projects, will be great. > > Anyway, glad to see we have new option to solve `not enough mentor` issue. > > Thanks Justin. > > Sheng Wu > Apache SkyWalking > > > On 2018/11/06 08:20:18, Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I looked at the board resolution for the creation of the IPMC [1] and it > says nothing about how IPMC members should be added so from that I take it > that the IPMC can decide how it wants to do that. > > > > Currently the IPMC can vote people in (which is not so common) or an ASF > member can request it. I’m not sure where the ASF member requirement came > from and wasn’t able to find the discussion about this on the incubator > list. (If anyone knows please point me to it.) > > > > In theory an ASF member should have the knowledge and skills to mentor a > project, however I also think those who have gone through the incubating > process, have voted on releases and proposed or accepted new committers and > PMC members probably know just as much even if they are not ASF members. > They may not have as much experience but shovel at least know the basics. > > > > Now identifying everyone who has done this would not be be easy to > determine and the Venn diagram of them and people who want to be mentors is > probably small (but still significant in numbers). > > > > So I propose this: > > > > If someone has done several of the following: > > - has been involved in an incubating project from start to finish > > - has been a release manager > > - has assembled LICENSE and NOTICE files > > - has reviewed and voted on releases > > - has proposed or accepted committers/PPMC members > > > > Then they can ask the IPMC to join to IPMC by sending an email to > private@ listing what they have been involved in. The IPMC would VOTE on > them, and there’s a chance they could be rejected, but given it’s a private > vote I don’t think any harm is done if that happens. Also people could > nominate other people who fit into this above group. > > > > I’d like to see this used for people who are wanting to be mentors, > rather than just having binding votes on releases. I don’t have an issue > with the later (and I think the IPMC currently does a decent job of > catching any issues with releases they come their way), but that’s what I’m > trying to solve with this proposal. i.e. We currently need more mentors and > will need even more as ASF scales up. > > > > The subject line is actually a lie. All this really changes is that > people can bring themselves or be brought to the attention of the IPMC, > rather than having the IPMC actively trying to find people from graduated > projects who then may or may not want to be IPMC members. > > > > We could start this off as an experiment. and take the first few people > who request it, and see how it goes with more experienced mentors observing > and/ or helping them. > > > > What do people and the IPMC think of this proposal? Good idea or not? > Could it work with some modifications? Is it not needed at all? > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > > > 1. > https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/websites/production/incubator/content/official/resolution.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
