+1 for the needs of active mentors. As a new podling project PPMC, I and our project committers learn a lot from out mentors about the Apache way. The mentor and communication stuffs need a lot of time, so I totally agree, active mentors are very important for podling project members.
------------------ Sheng Wu Apache SkyWalking original creator and PPMC member ------------------ Original ------------------ From: "Julian Hyde"<jh...@apache.org>; Date: Thu, Mar 29, 2018 06:20 AM To: "general"<general@incubator.apache.org>; Subject: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors The incubator has an ongoing problem with lack of mentor engagement. Mentors are a crucial component of the incubation process. Incubation is the time when projects learn the Apache Way, and they cannot learn in a vacuum. I??d like to discuss possible solutions to this problem. I??d like to hear from both podlings (PPMC members) and from IPMC members. (By the way, it??s not just a problem for podlings. As a mentor, I am demoralized when I feel my co-mentors are not pulling their weight, and I get a little closer to burn-out.) How to detect deadbeat mentors? One solution that has been discussed before is counting mentor sign-offs on podlings?? quarterly reports. Any project that received one or two sign-offs was deemed to be doing just fine. This is an imperfect metric. Another remedy is to require podlings to be proactive: if they are not receiving adequate supervision, they should reach out to the IPMC and demand a change in mentors. The problem is, podlings have by definition not been through incubation before, so do not know what to expect. They don??t want to rock the boat. I propose another solution. Let??s add a question to the podling report template, as follows: > Have your mentors been helpful and responsive? If not, describe what advice > or help > you needed, or need: It isn't too onerous for the podling, and only embarrasses mentors who deserve to be embarrassed. What to do about deadbeat mentors? The current thinking is that every project should have three mentors, and if at least one of them is active, that??s OK. I think that the ??rule of 3?? actually makes the problem worse. It??s difficult to find three motivated individuals (or find enough work for them to do), so a podling will inevitably have one or two inactive mentors. It has become the norm that most mentors are inactive. I propose that we get rid of the rule of 3. If mentors are not active, they should be encouraged to step down, and if they don??t, the IPMC should remove them. If this leaves the podling with zero or one mentors, then IPMC can step in and appoint new mentors. A podling with two active mentors is probably doing just fine. Is this problem as serious as I think it is? Would my proposed solutions help? Julian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
