Look at what we don't see- signs of dysfunction. Even with this thread, with serious consequences for the podling, nobody is behaving in a territorial or defensive way about the project. The feedback has been very reasonable, respectful of Joe's concerns, and direct.
I have a strong suspicion that the core problem here is that the mentors aren't following the commit list, which is where the jira email trail gets sent. Looking there you will see a plethora of examples where tickets, many filed by non-project participants, are being discussed by several project members, far from the presentation that discussions are happening off-Apache-infra and tickets are being "shut down" without public review. On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Joe Schaefer <joes...@gmail.com> wrote: > The only thing I might recommend of the podling is to try to leave > low-hanging fruit in jira unpatched for a longer period of time to allow > outside contributors the ability to participate. Coupled with identifying > these tickets on the mailing list, that might lead to more outside > contributions. > > I do share the concern that we have several elected committers that > haven't yet advanced to the ppmc level. > Perhaps there's not enough project-level mentoring (as opposed to IMPC > mentoring) going on to bring these newer people along. > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Joe Schaefer <joes...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I still consider that hearsay evidence. If you bother to actually look >> at their Jira you will see the vast majority of tickets opened in the past >> month remain open. I've spent an hour or so myself investigating this in >> some detail and turned up nothing- I invite you and others to do the same. >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote: >> >>> On Nov 3, 2015 11:34 AM, "Joe Schaefer" <joes...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > David, >>> > >>> > The problem with Rich's commentary is that we don't have any solid >>> evidence >>> > to that effect. Certainly not on a systematic level. >>> > All I see is a lot of responsiveness from the team about >>> repair-oriented >>> > tickets, or some mundane task like updating dependencies. >>> > I don't find credible evidence to support the claim that development is >>> > happening prior to filing a ticket about it. >>> >>> Sure. I'm not involved in the community, but have had the above scenario >>> described to me by two different people. >>> >> >
