Hi John,
I was a reply to your message, but it was not pointed at you. Seriously.
Maybe the "curious" part a bit, because you asked. We know however from
experience that there are many other people who are curious what happens
when unusual events like this take place and even a few, as I called
them "conspiracy theorists".
Normally I wouldn't write such a reply, but I wanted to take the
opportunity to also point the positive (because the negatives are so
often debated at length), which is the fact that board actually was
accommodating and offered the opportunity for correction. Just to paint
a clearer picture of the *people* behind board@.
So concerns like the ones you raised are, from my point of view, very
welcome. Especially as they come in the right tone. They create
opportunities for learning for lurkers.
Cheers,
Hadrian
On 10/22/2015 11:13 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
On Oct 22, 2015 8:05 AM, "Hadrian Zbarcea" <hzbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
For the curious and conspiracy theorists :) let me complete the picture.
I did actually attend the board meeting as I usually do and the board was
gracious enough to give me a couple of minutes to correct the resolution.
Unfortunately, whimsy wouldn't save the corrected resolution, for a reason
I don't yet understand. I went a second round with svn, but ran out of time.
Looks like I got the graduation gods really angry. This is not what a
podling should expect from an ASF member.
I'll assume that this was pointed to me. If your email was clearer I
wouldn't have been confused about scope. I apologize for any concerns this
raised.
Note that I never said you needed a revote. It wasn't clear that this came
out of the board, in the past when we had failed graduations it never made
it back to the incubator.
Hadrian
On 10/22/2015 07:03 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
Ah ha. It wasn't clear from the original email this happened during the
board meeting. Now I get it.
On Oct 21, 2015 23:09, "Marvin Humphrey" <mar...@rectangular.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:58 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org>
wrote:
I think that's my point. Those two weeks should be used to get
incubator
approval. If you wait 4 weeks you don't graduate until December.
The Incubator isn't going to vote again. The text of the graduation
resolution from an Incubator recommendation is advisory and the Board
often modifies it. (The Incubator gets the text wrong embarrassingly
often.) The Board passing a resolution to establish a TLP is the
crucial step from the standpoint of the Foundation as a corporate
entity.
It's regrettable that the glitch was not caught until there was little
time left during today's meeting, but resolutions are powerful tools
and it's important to get the language right. The Foundation's bylaws
constrain the Board's ability to act -- it's not supposed to be easy.
Marvin Humphrey
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