I'll let it stew for a coupla days before
I start charging in, but yeah something
along these lines will surely address the
palpable feeling of disempowerment we too
often dish out.



>________________________________
> From: Alan Cabrera <l...@toolazydogs.com>
>To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> 
>Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 11:29 AM
>Subject: Re: Incubator reorg ideas: sub-groups per technology?
> 
>
>On Jun 15, 2013, at 8:08 AM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> What we really need for podlings is a "bill of
>> rights" towards what they can expect of their
>> mentors, because too few of them actually are
>> willing to question the participation of the
>> people who signed up to mentor them and that's
>> not helping anybody.
>
>Great idea.  
>
>This spring I sent out personal messages to various podling members and asked 
>them what they thought were problems with the incubator, if there were any.  
>(There's a novel idea, ask the podlings what they think the problems are.  
>Sorry, but slogging through all these emails instead of watching re-runs of 
>Firefly irritates me.  :) )  I got an earful.
>
>Other than their  concern for diversity/activity, the two biggest reported 
>problems are timely resolution "infrastructure" requests and they way we seem 
>to chronically make up and debase shit in the middle of voting.  As a podling 
>incubates we seem to compulsively debate processes, rules, etc., ten feet 
>ahead of the podling train.
>
>We're working on the automation bits.  
>
>Your document on what podlings can expect, in terms of to expect and what 
>"noise" they can ignore during incubation would be fantastic.  I will commit 
>to helping you out with this.
>
>
>Regards,
>Alan
>
>
>

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