On 14 June 2013 17:19, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > I'm putting my replies to this in a separate thread, and going to > combine responses to Shane and Jim in it too since pTLP is not > only related to accepting Stratos as an Apache Incubation project.
Good move. I'll call the vote on the Stratos podling (i.e. not pTLP now) Ross > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> > Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> > Date: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:38 AM > To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project > >>On 14 June 2013 15:42, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) >><chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >>> Those are "concerns/issues" with the Incubator. They aren't >>> a proposal of what to do. >> For concrete suggestions about how to address the issues in the wiki >>take a look at the "solutions" section under each issue. All issue >>have at least one suggestion, many have more. >> >>> * pTLP are nothing different than what existed before there was an >>> Incubator. >> >>Sorry Chris, I disagree. It is *very* different. Where it isn't so >>different is in cases where there are plenty of experienced and active >>mentors (I believe Stratos is one such case which is why I proposed it >>as a test case). >> >>> * This is an incremental step in the deconstruction proposal. >> >>Not for me it isn't. It's an incremental step towards finding the >>merits in your proposal for a specific type of project. I have never >>supported the deconstruction proposal and I trust people (including >>the board when the IPMC makes its recommendations) are clear on this. >>My championing of this proposal should not be seen as a championing of >>the whole deconstruction idea. >> >>> Note, Ross was one of the most vocal discussers, seeing both the >>> merit and potential pitfalls of my proposal. In short, if I've got >>> Ross convinced enough to at least try it, then give it a chance. >> >>The only thing you have convinced me of is that there is no >>opportunity to find the merits while this pTLP idea is wrapped up in >>the larger deconstruction proposal. >> >>I made this clear in the initial proposal of the idea and I made it >>clear in my response to Jim. I'm making it clear again here. >> >>I want to expose the merits and avoid the pitfalls of your larger >>proposal. I am *not* adding my weight to your larger proposal. I am >>merely moving past an incomplete wiki page with practical activity. I >>will do the same with many of the other proposals that have merit >>(e.g. Ant has started to build momentum behind his tooling >>suggestions, |I hope to help there too). >> >>Ross >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> >>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> >>> Date: Friday, June 14, 2013 6:48 AM >>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> >>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project >>> >>>>On 14 June 2013 14:45, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your comments Jim. >>>>>> >>>>>> You will see from the archives that I share most of your concerns >>>>>> about probationary TLPs. However a number of IPMC members have argued >>>>>> strongly for the concept. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To be clear, the only info that seems "official" about pTLPs >>>>> is the Wiki page proposal: >>>>> >>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal >>>>> >>>>> IMO, it simply doesn't provide enough meat, details and rationale >>>>> for me to be able to "commit" to it enough; there's a difference >>>>> between the concept and the implementation of that concept. >>>> >>>>Agreed (and partially discussed elsewhere in this thread). >>>> >>>>Greg outlines a minimum he wants to see from the proposal to the >>>>board. I agree with his minimum and will be looking to two supporters >>>>of the pTLP concept to coordinate delivery of that minimum (I >>>>discussed this with >>>>both of them prior to make this suggestion, both agreed). >>>> >>>>Ross >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>> >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
