On 14 June 2013 15:42, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > Those are "concerns/issues" with the Incubator. They aren't > a proposal of what to do. For concrete suggestions about how to address the issues in the wiki take a look at the "solutions" section under each issue. All issue have at least one suggestion, many have more.
> * pTLP are nothing different than what existed before there was an > Incubator. Sorry Chris, I disagree. It is *very* different. Where it isn't so different is in cases where there are plenty of experienced and active mentors (I believe Stratos is one such case which is why I proposed it as a test case). > * This is an incremental step in the deconstruction proposal. Not for me it isn't. It's an incremental step towards finding the merits in your proposal for a specific type of project. I have never supported the deconstruction proposal and I trust people (including the board when the IPMC makes its recommendations) are clear on this. My championing of this proposal should not be seen as a championing of the whole deconstruction idea. > Note, Ross was one of the most vocal discussers, seeing both the > merit and potential pitfalls of my proposal. In short, if I've got > Ross convinced enough to at least try it, then give it a chance. The only thing you have convinced me of is that there is no opportunity to find the merits while this pTLP idea is wrapped up in the larger deconstruction proposal. I made this clear in the initial proposal of the idea and I made it clear in my response to Jim. I'm making it clear again here. I want to expose the merits and avoid the pitfalls of your larger proposal. I am *not* adding my weight to your larger proposal. I am merely moving past an incomplete wiki page with practical activity. I will do the same with many of the other proposals that have merit (e.g. Ant has started to build momentum behind his tooling suggestions, |I hope to help there too). Ross > > Cheers, > Chris > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> > Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> > Date: Friday, June 14, 2013 6:48 AM > To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project > >>On 14 June 2013 14:45, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> >>>wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for your comments Jim. >>>> >>>> You will see from the archives that I share most of your concerns >>>> about probationary TLPs. However a number of IPMC members have argued >>>> strongly for the concept. >>>> >>> >>> To be clear, the only info that seems "official" about pTLPs >>> is the Wiki page proposal: >>> >>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal >>> >>> IMO, it simply doesn't provide enough meat, details and rationale >>> for me to be able to "commit" to it enough; there's a difference >>> between the concept and the implementation of that concept. >> >>Agreed (and partially discussed elsewhere in this thread). >> >>Greg outlines a minimum he wants to see from the proposal to the >>board. I agree with his minimum and will be looking to two supporters >>of the pTLP concept to coordinate delivery of that minimum (I >>discussed this with >>both of them prior to make this suggestion, both agreed). >> >>Ross >> >> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
