I'm putting my replies to this in a separate thread, and going to combine responses to Shane and Jim in it too since pTLP is not only related to accepting Stratos as an Apache Incubation project.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> Date: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:38 AM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project >On 14 June 2013 15:42, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) ><chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> Those are "concerns/issues" with the Incubator. They aren't >> a proposal of what to do. > For concrete suggestions about how to address the issues in the wiki >take a look at the "solutions" section under each issue. All issue >have at least one suggestion, many have more. > >> * pTLP are nothing different than what existed before there was an >> Incubator. > >Sorry Chris, I disagree. It is *very* different. Where it isn't so >different is in cases where there are plenty of experienced and active >mentors (I believe Stratos is one such case which is why I proposed it >as a test case). > >> * This is an incremental step in the deconstruction proposal. > >Not for me it isn't. It's an incremental step towards finding the >merits in your proposal for a specific type of project. I have never >supported the deconstruction proposal and I trust people (including >the board when the IPMC makes its recommendations) are clear on this. >My championing of this proposal should not be seen as a championing of >the whole deconstruction idea. > >> Note, Ross was one of the most vocal discussers, seeing both the >> merit and potential pitfalls of my proposal. In short, if I've got >> Ross convinced enough to at least try it, then give it a chance. > >The only thing you have convinced me of is that there is no >opportunity to find the merits while this pTLP idea is wrapped up in >the larger deconstruction proposal. > >I made this clear in the initial proposal of the idea and I made it >clear in my response to Jim. I'm making it clear again here. > >I want to expose the merits and avoid the pitfalls of your larger >proposal. I am *not* adding my weight to your larger proposal. I am >merely moving past an incomplete wiki page with practical activity. I >will do the same with many of the other proposals that have merit >(e.g. Ant has started to build momentum behind his tooling >suggestions, |I hope to help there too). > >Ross > >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Senior Computer Scientist >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> >> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> >> Date: Friday, June 14, 2013 6:48 AM >> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project >> >>>On 14 June 2013 14:45, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for your comments Jim. >>>>> >>>>> You will see from the archives that I share most of your concerns >>>>> about probationary TLPs. However a number of IPMC members have argued >>>>> strongly for the concept. >>>>> >>>> >>>> To be clear, the only info that seems "official" about pTLPs >>>> is the Wiki page proposal: >>>> >>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal >>>> >>>> IMO, it simply doesn't provide enough meat, details and rationale >>>> for me to be able to "commit" to it enough; there's a difference >>>> between the concept and the implementation of that concept. >>> >>>Agreed (and partially discussed elsewhere in this thread). >>> >>>Greg outlines a minimum he wants to see from the proposal to the >>>board. I agree with his minimum and will be looking to two supporters >>>of the pTLP concept to coordinate delivery of that minimum (I >>>discussed this with >>>both of them prior to make this suggestion, both agreed). >>> >>>Ross >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
