+1 Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Jan 15, 2012 6:18 PM, "Joe Schaefer" <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I wish we could get past the whole idea that we are punishing > a podling by insisting that they take their work to say github > instead. They probably can keep the name since we have no interest > in it ourselves. > > We maintain an open-door policy for new projects, and I think that > is a good thing that we should keep. What we lack is a sensible > mechanism for reviewing longstanding projects in terms of their > projected future in this place. We did NOT promise anyone free > project hosting, and if they want that there are lots of places > to get that. We merely provide an opportunity that with a little > luck, hard work, and determination, they can join the ASF and > become an Apache project. But they deserve an answer at some point. > > > Purgatory is not what we were designed to offer, never. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mohammad Nour El-Din <nour.moham...@gmail.com> > > To: general@incubator.apache.org; antel...@apache.org > > Cc: > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:09 PM > > Subject: Re: Actively retiring projects > > > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:01 PM, ant elder <ant.el...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> > > wrote: > >> > >> > Now to go back and answer Ant's question directly, > >> > >> Sam, what you replied doesn't really answer my question directly. The > >> issue with the long term poddlings which I know about is not that > >> their reports are not read, they are in fact read so something else is > >> wrong if there is in fact a problem at all. I'm sorry that you're > > not > >> happy with how Kato went, as i said here [1] i expect that to be > >> resolved shortly and they will have done that themselves rather than > >> being pushed out by Incubator PMC which i think is a good outcome. > >> > >> <big snip> > >> > >> > > >> > Speaking as an individual Director here, but we have a board meeting > >> > in a few days and I can obtain an Official Word™ on the matter if > >> > that's what people here would like, but I'm highly confident > > that the > >> > outcome (directed at the chair) will be something along the lines of > >> > "see to it that podling reports are adequately vetted before > >> > forwarding them to the board" > >> > > >> > >> I'd prefer to have an official response from the board on if in fact > >> it matters if incubation takes longer than a year. Podlings like Nuvem > >> or Wink or Photark or Kato or which ever else are just small and slow, > >> so what? > >> > > > > +1 about "... small and slow, so what?" > > > > It is true some podlings are just slow and small regarding attracting > *new* > > blood to the podling's community, but the community itself is active, and > > IMHO it is not fair to punish them for that. > > > > On the other hand we still need to answer the question "OK, so till when > we > > should keep them in the Incubator ?" which is a very valid question, > > honestly I don't have a definitive answer for that, but I would give a > lead > > to an answer/discussion in a form of a question > > > > "Is the Incubator the right place for such podlings ?" > > > > If the answer is *yes* then we should find a way to manage the increasing > > number of accepted podling into the incubator relative to the number of > > active/available mentors, and also we should keep a list of podlings > which > > are not small and they should be doing good and hence being in the > > Incubator for some long time indicates that there is something wrong. > > > > If the answer is No, then: > > - We should ask them to retire, which is not fair IMHO as I mentioned > > above > > - Or Can we create another level of incubtion like, which can be the > same > > as the normal Incubator but we can lessen down the number of initially > > assigned mentors to 1 and recommend one of the initial committers to > become > > an active Mentor, provided that they have shown that they adapted to the > > ASF rules very well. This is just a suggestion. > > > > Thoughts ? > > > > > >> > >> (and please note that there is no disrespect intended here. the ideas > >> and suggestions in this thread and others recently do seem like good > >> stuff to be trying, regardless of the age of a poddling) > >> > >> ...ant > >> > >> [1] http://apache.markmail.org/message/trurg7pnt5yk7tei > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Thanks > > - Mohammad Nour > > ---- > > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep > > moving" > > - Albert Einstein > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
