An updated proposal is available on the WIKI http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ClickProposal
regards Malcolm Edgar On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Malcolm Edgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes meritocracy; spelling never was best attribute. > > regards Malcolm edgar > > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Martijn Dashorst > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I think you mean meritocracy instead of mediocrity :) >> >> Martijn >> >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Malcolm Edgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I do take the point that there are no "project leads" in ASF and if >>> Click were to go throught the incubator process and become a fully >>> fledged ASF project that this would change. The project would follow >>> the Apache mediocrity rules. I genuinely belive that this would be a >>> good thing, long running projects need new ideas and new people to >>> continue to move them forward. >>> >>> The brief summary of the project history in the proposal does make the >>> community role look more shallow than it is. If you view the projects >>> change history: >>> >>> http://click.sourceforge.net/docs/roadmap-changes.html >>> >>> you can see the diversity of the contributions from community members >>> made over the life of the project. >>> >>> I think the Mediocirty section of the proposal should be updated to >>> address these concerns. >>> >>> regards Malcolm Edgar >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Andrus Adamchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:59 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: >>>> >>>>> There are no "project leads" at the ASF. All committers who become a >>>>> member >>>>> of the PMC shall have an equal say in the project. This can cause a great >>>>> amount of friction when the project is perceived to be "owned" by a small >>>>> subset of the pmc members. Explosions within such projects happen at >>>>> least >>>>> once a year, sometimes for the better and often for the worse. >>>>> >>>>> I would have hoped that under Meritocracy, something about the transition >>>>> from benevolent dictator to project management committee would be said. >>>>> I would like to know, for example, if every committer will become a PPMC >>>>> member, or if this is a PPMC of two (Malcolm and Bob). >>>> >>>> While I agree with the general point, I should add, that "no project leads" >>>> does not mean that you should add random people to the PMC, just because >>>> they posted a few times on the mailing list or submitted a trivial patch. >>>> "Meritocracy" means just that - give and elevate karma of people who make >>>> the project happen. I thought it is important to underscore this point, as >>>> there is often a fear of a project being hijacked. >>>> >>>> Andrus >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com >> Apache Wicket 1.3.4 is released >> Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
