Bill Stoddard wrote:
Endre Stølsvik wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
Sure, activity is not that high, and there's not a *huge* developer
community, but there does not really seem to be any problem, either.
Apache doesn't require projects to be huge successes (by whatever
metric) as long as they're healthy and self-sustaining.
This was not healthy up until quite recently - I'd even question
whether the code and the community is _healthy_ now. And the main
point was that IBM, the dumpsters, fled the plot pretty fast after the
import was done, not bothering about creating The Healthy Community
around the code they off-loaded before leaving.
This should raise at least some slight concerns in Apache, IMO.
Endre,
Disclosure... I work for IBM.
I agree with your concern about code dumping and I completely respect
your comments. However, I object to the logic you are applying here.
IBM'ers participate on projects as individuals and it's the actions of
individuals that should be judged. To tar all IBM'ers because of bad
behavior (perceived or real) of a few is just wrong.
I don't group all IBM'ers, really - I actually believe IBM'ers do tons
of good in many open source projects. Also I think IBM itself is a
somewhat good open source citizen in several regards.
But it is not individuals that propose this particular project, as I
understand it: it is IBM and BEA. And it was IBM that, in my view,
dumped the JSR 168 RI and then fled - not any individuals as such.
I don't think Apache necessarily is the right place to dump a JSR RI and
TCK implementation (because, lets face that, it isn't *developed* here)
- it goes against the entire grain of Apache, AFAIU.
At least, if it is put here, then just don't pretend that it more than
that either: It's just the RI and TCK implementations, staying at Apache
as Apache are good guardians of code on a general basis.
Thus, if it happens, this particular project's name shouldn't be
anything fancy, probably not include the name "Apache", maybe just be
JSR-235 with two subfolders: RI and TCK.
On the other side, some server implementing JSR-235 could be called
Apache What-Ever, would run its own incubation, have its own
infrastructure, possibly use the RI as a code starting point - but
nothing more. This would keep the distinction very clear. The goals
seems too different to mix.
Endre.
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