here my response to Endre's mail (http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200801.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED]):

about Pluto V 1.x:
Due to the JCP process guidelines at that time you could not have early public drafts and thus you are correct that the RI got to Apache very late. However, we discussed this with people from Apache and we also went through the incubation process. It would have always been an option to not accept the project. It is not true that after the JSR was final everything stopped. In fact once we had finished 1.0 there was still work done to get to a more stable 1.0.1 release. After that the pluto community re-structed the code which led to the pluto 1.1 stream, so you can see that it was an active community not only some code drop. Also in my view pluto was a success, take a look at all the projects using the pluto container: http://portals.apache.org/pluto/powered.html.

about JSR 286/Pluto 2.0:
Besides myself there are 4 people from Apache projects sitting in the JSR 286 EG and now that the JCP supports early public drafts we published early drafts more than a year ago and started the development of 2.0 directly at Apache. It is also based on the new 1.1 codestream that the Apache community created.

I think you should also consider the view points of companies donating work and code to Apache. In my opinion it would have been much cheaper for IBM to just put the RI out there on some server instead of going to Apache. We went to Apache because we wanted the portlet standard to be widespread and easy to adopt by everyone.


Regards,
    Stefan


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