On 3/10/06, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thomas Dudziak wrote: > > Mhmm, I have one major problem with this (as much as with Cayenne), > > and this is that IMO we (will) have too much ORM engines in Apache > > (with JPA and Cayenne it will be 6 or 7 ?) with little to no > > cooperation (esp. on the code level) between the ones already here. So > > in short, there is no focus and much duplication. Not to mention that > > OJB is planning to add EJB3 persistence (as it happens, done by me - I > > was going to start in May). > > Well, Apache isn't about building things to fill industry > niches -- it's about enabling developers to work on what > they want and helping networks grow. So I don't think that > already having N similar packages should be a bar to adding > an Nth+1 effort. > > Which may seem at first to be at odds with my position in > the not-too-distant ServiceMix brouhaha -- but it really > isn't. I wasn't at all opposed to bringing in [another] > BPE project, only to where it was originally slotted to land. > Nor did I opine that it should be forcibly merged into one > of the existing efforts; rather, that it should be an > independent peer -- a competitor, if you like.
Actually, I was nowhere sugessting that the project should be refused or merged with an existing one because there are already N projects of that kind in Apache. Far from it - personally I welcome all these projects whether competition or not. The point that I tried to make (and perhaps failed to get across properly) is that I fear that all these to some degree similar projects will work separately. For instance, both Cayenne and OpenJPA wanted to be sponsored by the Incubator PMC and go TLP immediately even though there is already know-how in Apache in this field in the DB project so that at least in my opinion, a sponsoring by the DB PMC would be the more useful thing (whether the project then goes TLP after graduation or not). And DB is not an umbrella in the Jakarta sense but rather going towards a community (which I think is a good thing). However, the TLP status IMO currently makes it less likely that cooperation (or at least communication) will happen, because it is something of a 'we do our own thing' (this goes into the direction of the umbrella thread). Personally I however think it is quite important that we not only force community building within a podling but also that they take part in Apache as a larger thing. For instance, if another Servlet Container would like to join Apache, I would think it a bit strange if they were sponsored by the Incubator PMC. And l would expect the developers to communicate and cooperate with e.g. the Tomcat folks, perhaps even share common code where there is no point in competing (who needs two different JSP compilers in Apache ?) cheers, Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
