I do agree with your point James, communities built around a narrow scope are harder to grow and attracting new commiters can become hazardous. However my feeling is that the failure of Agila in attracting new committers (for now) is mostly due to a lack of public exposure and not really to BPEL having a narrow scope. Besides, even if there aren't many committers working on Agila yet, there are people using it.
I'm not sure I have any weight at all in this discussion, however I can't see why a BPEL implementation would be developed as part of a JBI implementation. JBI is made to integrate nicely with many components (rules engines, scripting, soap and jms layers, ...), does that mean that all these components should be developed under the ServiceMix umbrella? I don't believe so. My 2 cents. >On 3 Feb 2006, at 16:13, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:>> Incidentally its worth looking at other projects at Apache like Agila>> and various projects on http://ws.apache.org like EWS, Mirae, Muse,>> WSRF, TSIK etc which are kinda quiet, some near dormant. Making>> projects too small and too granular can sometimes harm the chances of>> creating a vibrant community. Just as the some folks in the WS PMC>> are starting to consider collapsing projects together due to>> inactivity, I think we should stay open to the idea of creating less>> granular projects that can build a thriving community to start with>> then, if the community decides, split things off later if something>> becomes so popular it deserves its own project.>> James, bearing in mind the *content* of Dims questions above,> rather than how he phrased them, would you please expand on> the above to address how Dims apparently interpreted it?The point I was trying to make above has nothing to do with ws-folksor anyone involved in the projects - apologies if my cold-inducedramblings caused any offence. It was more just a general observationon project size and community growth. Its hard growing communities;it takes a lot of time and effort. Projects can be too broad(Jakarta) and too granular - but sometimes its easier to buildcommunity inside a single project with one overall aim (Geronimo forJ2EE, ServiceMix for JBI, Jakarta Commons / WS Commons for utilitycode etc) than to have lots of smaller projects.James-------http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/- Show quoted text ----------------------------------------------------------------------To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
