Cc'ing the incubator list since Dims is no longer on the Geronimo and
ServiceMix lists.
Regards,
Alan
On 2/3/2006 2:05 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
Holy crap! What a mess this thread is! I'm not used to being like
the cool voice of reason. :)
For my 2 cents, a JBI container without BPEL is a hard sell, so I'd go
a long way to see one available for ServiceMix.
Based on our Geronimo experience, I suspect it would be easier to
build the two together and then spin off a working BPEL engine down
the road, rather than call them nominally independent projects but in
truth have them so tightly linked during development that you can't
realistically use one without the other and there's a lot of fuss
about having the latest SNAPSHOT of this not work against HEAD of that
and so on.
So here's my +1 to include the BPEL donation in ServiceMix, but I
won't argue too strenuously if people want to bring it into Geronimo
instead (assuming we get the latest Geronimo/ServiceMix integration
code from Guillaume! :) On the other hand, I think it might be a bit
awkward as a standalone project from day 1.
Thanks,
Aaron
On 2/3/06, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
After some thought about this, I will give it a +1.
We're seeing a lot of overlap lately between the WS-* folks and the J2EE
folks. Like lots of projects lately, I don't think this code donation
fits strictly into one category. And to say that it strictly belongs one
place or another is a mistake.
I think the Sybase and ServiceMix people have made it clear that they
are dedicated to working on this. I know the ws-* people are stretched
with the many many specs to implement, so from a practical standpoint I
think the ServiceMix location works. Lets closely monitor the community
and see where it goes. At a future date we can readdress the location.
Regarding other developers and overlapping projects, I would just like
to make it clear that we still definitely welcome other people and their
involvement. Accepting this donation into ServiceMix does not preclude
any involvement with others. If we need to package things different or
provide different interfaces or whatever, its all up for discussion and
patches
- Dan
James Strachan wrote:
We have received the generous donation of a complete and working BPE
engine to the ServiceMix project...
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/200602.mbox/[EMAIL
PROTECTED]
the contributor has offered to donate to Apache & complete the
necessary software grants & IP clearance and to work with us on
integrating it into ServiceMix.
For those of you maybe not aware; ServiceMIx is an ESB project defined
around JBI (JSR 208) the JCP standard API to integration components
along with being the standard container model for a BPE. ServiceMix
already has the JBI container and has a suite of JBI integration
components already for smart routing, transformation, rules,
scripting, auditing etc...
http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/Components
So it makes complete sense to add a BPE to that component suite. Note
that since ServiceMix already has integration components to Apache
Axis and Apache Tuscany, the integration of the BPE with ServiceMix
should benefit those projects too (with Apache Synapse possibly too
via the Axis integration - though we need to work on that one a bit).
Also having a BPE fully integrated into Geronimo via the JBI container
would mean that we could start to orchestrate pretty much everything
in the Geronimo stack! I'm certainly very excited by this move...
[ ] +1 accept the donation into the ServiceMix incubator project
[ ] 0 don't mind either way
[ ] -1 I object because: .......
Here's my +1
James
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