On 4 Feb 2006, at 01:38, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
I'm going to remove my original -1 from this thread and vote +1 for
it.
My apologies for helping to create this major ruckus. This type of
heated discussion does not help build communities and cross community
interactions that would benefit all of us in many ways. That is
especially so because this has partly become ServiceMix vs. WS ..
which
is terrible because that's not what the discussions should be about at
all. In any case, the WS project is BIG at the moment and I'd
personally
-1 any proposal to add 20+ more committers to our already overloaded
committer list.
So, if the ServiceMix folks feel that a BPEL engine needs to be
near to
their heart, then I'm all for it. I realize that my knowledge of JBI
isn't enough to have a strong position on the technical rationale
for it
but am happy to defer to folks likes James, Dan, Aron and others that
obviously do.
I'm not on the Geronimo PMC and so have no part of this vote formally.
When this finds its way into a vote on the Incubator PMC (which I'm
on)
I will read the proposal and vote on it; assuming it meets the
criteria
of not being code thrown over the wall, etc. etc. I'll be +1.
Good luck folks .. I'll keep an eye on it and look to participate
where
possible and appropriate.
Thanks for your kind words Sanjiva. This has been an interesting
debate, I think we've all learnt from it and are all agreeing far
more than not. The way I see it right now we all agree that
* we all want to see more cross community collaboration in this space
(Geronimo, ServiceMix, Synapse, Tuscany, WS et al;).
* we all want the code & Sybase to work with us
* we want the BPEL code to be as reusable as possible in any Apache
project (*)
* at some point in the future, if there is a large and vibrant
community behind it who wants it to be so, there should be a separate
BPEL project
The only area of disagreement seems to be how we start; Sybase & the
ServiceMix community want to work on the code inside the existing
ServiceMix project as there is great synergy of people, technology
and scope - plus we are already in the incubator. The ServiceMix
community are very open to contributions from anyone and we hope to
grow the community further - our arms are wide open to contributions
and we'd welcome any involvement from WS or Tuscany or any other part
of Apache.
(*) the BPEL engine will always be reusable by anyone inside or
outside Apache with minimum dependencies. If folks wanna use it
without JBI at all that's fine too; though the benefit is if you
integrate with JBI once you have one integration point that will
always work with the BPEL engine - together with any other BPEL
engine and any other integration component for that matter too...
http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/Components
i.e. you'd save yourself heaps of time by just integrating with the
JBI API rather than the implementation-details APIs of this specific
BPEL engine. Be that as it may - anyone at Apache (or elsewhere) can
reuse any part of the code they like.
James
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