I include the untrimmed post for reference, since it's been a while, and this seems to be a hot topic. Sorry, digesters...
OK - Mike - I was once a newbie. I listened to the dead and Phish and a few other bands that crop up here from time to time, but had never traded for a live show. To this day, in fact, I haven't participated in a b&p. The generosity of the members here has allowed me to LITERALLY fall behind in the maintenance of my own server, collection, and list - to the point where I had to STOP trading to try and get it together for a while. While lots of people here may not read their posts outloud to hear how they may sound, and some openly flame, MOST - including siteops and moderators - are generous and kind. One complaint I have is that we are not protective ENOUGH of this list. I was a newbie, but i never asked for a Stevie Ray Vaughn show because I read the FAQ. It's not hard to understand, if you are truly interested in participating on this list, that certain things simply jeapordize the existence of this great thing we have going. New members get help here frequently. I still have the first post i sent to this list, and the responses i got (one even from PJP) - and it has been steady trading since. i have a few untradable shows listed, but i do not trade them and do not advertise them (they exist in my list for archive organizational purposes only). When people become members of a group, there is an element of freedom that must be relinquished. Call it "Natural Law," without the rules, we would all kill each other off. It is why we empower members and moderators to control the group - so that the group can survive. Read: Locke, Rousseau, Hobbes, Dahl... I totally agree that new members can contribute things this list needs - and that the list needs new contributions from those members. i started with nothing, but have managed to hook a few up here and there with some tunes they have enjoyed. We all have - and we do it because music is the coolest thing ever, and we want people to find out about this thing that not enough people seem to understand. Why not protect this list from Trolls or dangerous (albeit innocent) transgressions? People like you may have various sources for your music. i really only have etree. If it gets junked because RIAA decides to get a burr up its butt about one too many Pink Floyd ISOs, the good guys get the shaft. That's not right. (In case you're just scanning, Pink Floyd is NOT traderfriendly) it seems that most people on the list are responding to innappropriate ISOs or trade offers, from anyone, not just new members, personally, offlist, and respectfully. If we all continue to do this, then people shouldn't get scared off - they just might offer back to the list some stuff you'd like to have in your house. Anyway - it worked on me... Peace, love, respect, for everybody 8-Damien WOB - check db.etree.org/MaskedMarvel (anyone ever include their list for trades anymore?) if you read this far, I'll give out one login for one show - if you're a digester (proof), one login there - and one if your last name is a first name. Peace. > give newbies a break, for christ sake. everytime i > see a newbie ask a question i see at least(thats the > bare minimum) person flame back. This group, or > "society" if you will, is not an easy thing to try to > get into. i know it was hard as hell for me, and im > still kind of a newbie too, i have only been here for > like two months. im still always learning stuff i > never saw on the sacred etree faq. it doesnt cover > everything, and its not all easy to read. i know its > not an easy thing to run a site like this and i comend > the people who do it, but people be nice to the > newbies. they could contribute a lot of stuff you > veterns dont. ive said my peace, i just think people > here are a little to hard on the newkids. _______________________________________________ etree mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://mail.etree.org/mailman/listinfo/etree
