* Bertrand Jacquin <[email protected]> [2013-12-09 02:41:18 +0100]: > On 2013-12-09 01:52, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 12:17:53 -0500 Christopher Barry > > <[email protected]> said: > > > >> On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 21:42:25 +0900 > >> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 10:25:04 +0000 Mick <[email protected]> > >> > said: > >> > >> > > On Sunday 08 Dec 2013 01:48:18 Steven@e wrote: > >> > > > >> Hello beber, just for information, you dont need FUSE anymore > >> > > > >> to use ZFS. zfsonlinux solves this. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks for the info, but why should we need this ? I see no > >> > > > > valid reason. > >> > > > >> > > There are out-of-tree Linux kernel modules care of ZFSOnLinux > >> > > Project[1]. Therefore using ZFS-Fuse is not necessary (or > >> > > recommended). At least one valid reason for using ZFS (there are > >> > > many) is that it guards against fs corruption by using CRC > >> > > checksums. > >> > > > >> > > I understand that both Oracle (RHL) Linux and SUSE consider BTRFS > >> > > production ready and Oracle will be/are using this instead of ZFS. > >> > > From my limited understanding BTRFS is being developed at speed and > >> > > catching up with ZFS, but it does not have the amount of testing > >> > > that ZFS had to date to vouch for its stability/maturity. At this > >> > > stage in their development ZFS is superior to BTRFS in terms of > >> > > functionality, although there is hope that BTRFS will develop at > >> > > speed. > >> > > >> > and why? ext4 HAS been production ready for YEARS... inf act not > >> > production ready... it has been *IN8 production for years... if there > >> > is a fs i would trust - it's ext4. not zfs and DEFINITELY not btrfs. > >> > ext4 (and 3 etc. before it) have many more miles of PRODUCTION behind > >> > them. > >> > >> Absolutely. The other filesystems are amazing in their feature sets, > >> but are not viable production filesystems quite yet in my opinion. > >> > >> > > >> > what this probably was ... was an unstable bleeding-edge kernel since > >> > the servers are being run on gentoo and thus are not exactly being > >> > conservative. it was probably a newly introduced bug that hasn't been > >> > hammered out and other fs's used less will have such bugs many times > >> > MORE than ext4 will. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Gentoo is a great desktop distro, but definitely not a server OS (may > >> cause a flame war here, but sorry...). For me, and I've been a > >> sysadmin > >> since Debian first came out (yes, that long), and I've used literally > >> all distros at one time or another. Debian stable (or even testing) is > >> an ideal server OS you can absolutely rely on. I would not use > >> anything > >> else. If you absolutely must use gentoo for some feature only it > >> provides, then only use it in the VM - definitely NOT on the host. The > >> host must be rock solid. > >> > >> But, if rebuilding the setup is on the radar in light of this wake up > >> call, the filesystem argument is totally moot - just use LVM for the > >> images. It's the correct thing to do for a production VM host. > > > > well beber (our admin who volunteers his time to the server and its > > vms) wants > > gentoo. > > Yep :) And opposed to Christopher, I don't find gentoo is great for a > desktop but for servers. > The main reason is flexibility and that it's easier to manage, but as > Chris said, this is flamewar topic, I could write a book on why people > should not use Debian on servers. > > We have a builder host, so configuration, packages etc are shared across > all servers and no compilation is done on production hosts (without > that, I have to say that it's a real pain in ass to maintain, but not > the case) > > About FS, raster speech agreed ++++.
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