On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:30:31 +1000 David Seikel <[email protected]> said:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:52:56 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:34:43 +1000 David Seikel <[email protected]> > > said: > > > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:27:27 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:16:38 +1000 David Seikel > > > > <[email protected]> said: > > > > > > > > he's complaining about lack of features in e17 vs e16... and the > > > > comp dialog hasnt split advanced vs basic - its all advanced. all > > > > options there. > > > > > > The composite settings dialog is just one of the things he brought > > > up in this thread, but I don't think there was one in e16, so E16 is > > > irrelevant to this part of the conversation. > > > > > > It's not advanced, it's so far past advanced it's silly. That's my > > > point. Even advanced users can't use it. > > > > then don't touch what u don't understand. those settings exist > > because that's how comp works. several of them exist due to faults in > > drivers and for fine tuning optimizations. if you don't know - then > > don't touch. > > Which is the exact opposite of the advice you gave to "just try it and > see". You can't have both. I'm pointing out that those parts you are > saying to "just try it and see" are just as hard to figure out as the > parts you are now saying "don't touch what you don't understand". the thing i was talking about was the 1 and only list "style -> default" and the selector. how is that not clear u are selecting the default style? u can play with all (but indirect rendering) settings without any problem. it wont hurt to hit and try. if you are of the opinion its all so complicated for you - then leave it alone and be happy. i just dont get it - the same selection mechanism is used in theme and wallpaper selectors, but somehow at least you 2 have a mental block thinking that this has to be somehow different. > No one understands any parts of it, this is the problem. That dialog > really needs a major overhaul, and it seems that the only people that > understand enough of it to do that overhaul are the people that wrote > it. This makes it almost entirely useless for every one else. > > Face it raster, it's a raster only settings dialog, and you can't tell > people "just try it and see" and also tell them "don't touch what you > don't understand". Coz they don't understand any of it, and are telling > you they don't understand any of it. You just can't have it both ways > raster. try settings and see what happens. if u find this too scary then dont try anything and leave them alone. that goes for EVERY SINGLE settings value in any and every app everywhere. if u are scared of selecting "delete" when a file is selected... then DONT. if that confuses you - then dont do it. if you are happy with trying it and seeing what happens then try - go for it. your complain was one of complete bewilderment at almost anything in the dialog - then don't touch the bits u don't understand if it scares you to touch them. not everything in e has been dumbed down to hide all the options. i didn't want to bother doing much more of it until we were using elm for dialogs. > I can see that there are parts that MIGHT be easy to understand if only > they where done a little differently, but I can only see that after > some experimentation and what you have described here. If a very > experienced E17 developer does not understand it, then the 99.9999% of > people that are less experienced non-E17 developers have no hope in > hell, and it might as well not be there. you haven't touched e17 since 2007. :) and never compositing. you have done mountains more with efl (of late), but i wouldn't say you're a "very experienced E17 developer". :) especially in the last 5 years so. :) > It needs work, plain and simple. > > I suggest a basic dialog, which would likely be just "Shadows". Then > an advanced dialog which might be "choose stuff from the current > theme", though perhaps if that was actually easy to understand (it > isn't now) then it could go into "Basic". Then a "fix faulty drivers" > dialog, though perhaps that could be disabled if those faulty drivers > are not being used? A "fine tuning" dialog. Finally, a "debug" dialog, > which you got already. Oddly enough, "debug" implies "for developers > only", yet it's the only part that's almost entirely understandable for > most people. lol i made a basic one. if u don't understand the one that's there now.. u need to see a shrink. it's so utterly basic. if u need the advanced dialog - deal with it. it's advanced. if it scares you don't touch it and live with the fact u wont change what u wanted to change, unless its in basic. > -- > A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants > coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. 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