On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:21:30 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[email protected]> said:
> 2010/10/27 Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira <[email protected]>: > > Don't remove it, please. > > There are bugs, but these features are needed by some people. > > > > Em 27 de outubro de 2010 19:58, Carsten Haitzler > > <[email protected]>escreveu: > > > >> On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:35:31 -0300 Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira > >> <[email protected]> said: > >> > >> i so feel like killing off systray again. :) fyi shelf autohide is full of > >> holes and problems. it was not implemented solidly to begin with. i'm > >> tempted > >> to kill it off as a feature just because i couldnt be bothered fixing it > >> all > >> up. and that reminds me - edge bindings have problems of their own too... > > The bug there is that the shelf does not get the mouse-out event (as > event goes to the child/systray window, then goes to its menu, then > off shelf), thus the auto-hide is not triggered. oh there are other usability issue s- like the fact that it was designed to work on mouse in and out on the shelf - this means some section always has to be visible. if u dont have a compositor and have shaped windows - like an invisible shelf, you will never get a mouse in as the edge of the shelf is never actually visible and able to get that enter event. i am sure i grumbled about this before and people who want the feature never fixed it. it should if ANYTHING be tied to edgebindings (which is why i mentioned it above). and this is why edges are not so easily made "generally bindable" as we need them for all sorts of special cases (desktop flip etc.). before desktopflip was the only user - but shelf autohide/show should have too - but then it got turned into a general thing and lots of problems appeared - like keeping edge bindings even if they ONLY binding was to flip desktops and u had a 1x1 virtual desktop setup (thus making window borders inaccessible at the edge of the screen even there is no need for that screen edge), same with desktop flip and multiple screens (edge flip basically can't work as long as u have 2 screens with independant desktops to flip - so it should get auto turned off)... and much more. there's a lot of specialised if cases based on usage and behavior we just cant do nicely with generic bindings. if someone doesn't go fix all these nasty cases up - i will guarantee you, i will eventually, when i get around to it, kill edge bindings, kill shelf autohide and restore the old simple stuff e used to have that was actually correct and worked for all cases. it turned off the invisible window catchers when there was nothing left to catch at an edge and thus made that edge usable again for grabbing window borders or other things. if you want an e17 ever released you will have to accept the fact that either things are fixed - or they are killed. as i disagree with the whole way both of the above have been designed and implemented to begin with (as the whole implementation concepts are wrong), i will just kill. so it stays broken for now until i get around to that... or someone fixes this all up with a LOT of extra code to work right. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
