On Thu, 19 Mar 2026, at 10:20, Eliot Lear wrote:
>
> My only question is whether this is really something that should be a 
> short separate draft that updates EAP itself.

I think this always comes back to who is going to implement this in a 
supplicant. Android may be 'straight forward' but getting Microsoft and Apple 
onboard, I have no idea how to do that.

We might be able to retrofit this EAP-TLS as if we force the the L(ength) 
attribute, commandeer a reserved bit to state Outer TLVs are present and slip 
on some (unsecured) Outer TLVs. A bad actor could push that down to 200ish 
bytes which means a 5x increase in round trips though maybe this is not the end 
of the world.

Easier may be to add this to EAP-TTLS and PEAP as there are inner attributes we 
should be able to add and existing implementations hopefully would ignore.

My thoughts, I suspect the "fix fragments at the source" EAP ship has sailed.

On a related note, Mark Donnelly and I are working (read as "barely started") 
on tweaks to hostapd and FreeRADIUS to 'repack' EAP-TLS/TTLS/PEAP/... fragments 
to split a single EAP message over multiple RADIUS requests. Hopefully that 
leads to an informational draft.

Cheers

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