Around 13 o'clock on May 24, Linus Torvalds wrote:

>  And yes, you don't even need the DRI branch, you can see the lockup even
> with gatos -> plain XFree CVS (I told Keith Packard about it, I haven't
> heard back).

About all I could do was reproduce the problem; I don't have radeon docs 
yet to try and figure things out.  I've been off getting GTK+ 2.2, Mozilla 
and Qt3 font stuff straightened out.

The existence of three separate development teams working on the radeon 
drivers is a bit of a problem, but I'm really unsure how to fix things.  
Probably the worst off right now is the XFree86 tree which has neither 
working video nor 3D on many radeon chips, and which routinely hangs when 
switching VTs.

I currently run the tcl-0-0 branch on my desktop 7500 and XFree86 on my
laptop M6 -- and that with DRI disabled so I can switch VTs.  The tcl-0-0
branch doesn't display video correctly, but does 3D while the XFree86 tree
doesn't do 3D, but does video on a select number of chips, the M6 is one as
I hacked the driver to at least get that working.

I submit that we need some sort of plan on how to get this mess resolved; 
I'd like to get to a state where 3D and video runs on most chips, and at 
least doesn't hang on the others.  What I'd like to see is:

+ The kernel driver for the tcl-0-0 branch

        This gives us the best chance at API compatibility into the future
        as people are able to migrate to a tcl GL library, and should
        reduce the kernel driver churn a bit.

+ The video patches from XFree86

        These display reasonable video on the 7500 and others.  They
        don't currently work on the 8500, but I'll go get one of those
        and make them work when I've got a spare minute or two.  I don't
        think the problems are all that hard.  I'll see about stealing some
        bits from GATOS, but that code doesn't generally cover the hardware
        as completely as the XFree86 driver needs to.

+ The regular DRI GL bits

        These have some important fixes missing from the XFree86 tree while
        not incorporating all of the tcl changes which are probably less
        well tested on older Radeon cards.

Keith Packard        XFree86 Core Team        HP Cambridge Research Lab



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